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Yeah... completely lousy... and bad...

I totally need to see that movie right now... to.. ehm... find more mistakes. ;)
I can't begin to understand how anyone can say this is done well. Even in the scenes without live actors it looks bad. Even in still frames it's not very good but in motion it's just terribly fake. I'd point at the orc baby scene as the worst example, almost arnold-baby from Junior terrible, but really every scene with the orcs in motion is cringe worthy.

If this was all animated, with no live action, it would be better, it wouldn't clash so bad, but it still would not look like something worthy of a big screen blockbuster in 2016. And to all who say "it has to be CG, the Warcraft orcs could not be done any other way" I have only four words to say.

Ron Perlman in Hellboy. Things like that can be done. They can look good. And they still look good ten years later.
Post edited November 07, 2015 by Breja
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Wishbone: No, not at all. CG is great, if done well. This is not done well.
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Klumpen0815: I think it's done well, real actors just don't fit in the style of the Warcraft universe and wouldn't fit in Diablo or Starcraft either.
Really some human characters look realistc than cartoony lookings like Nova, Jim, Kerrigan, etc.

As for Diablo I mean seriously have you not seen the Diablo 3 cinematics?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDerwu6x40o




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Breja: I can't begin to understand how anyone can say this is done well. Even in the scenes without live actors it looks bad. Even in still frames it's not very good but in motion it's just terribly fake. I'd point at the orc baby scene as the worst example, almost arnold-baby from Junior terrible, but really every scene with the orcs in motion is cringe worthy.

If this was all animated, with no live action, it would be better, it wouldn't clash so bad, but it still would not look like something worthy of a big screen blockbuster in 2016. And to all who say "it has to be CG, the Warcraft orcs could not be done any other way" I have only four words to say.

Ron Perlman in Hellboy. Things like that can be done. They can look good. And they still look good ten years later.
Yeah good luck getting at least 10 good actors who are as tall as trees and as beefy as the Hulk and is willing to talk with those LARGE Tusks in their mouths without sounding dumb :P

And what about the large army of orcs scenes?
Post edited November 07, 2015 by Elmofongo
yep, it's bad. it'll still be bad on july 2016.
but no matter, the milking will be successful :)
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mobutu: yep, it's bad. it'll still be bad on july 2016.
but no matter, the milking will be successful :)
Moviegoers 2015-16.

Proclaiming something to be bad BEFORE it even comes out.
post messed up by forum acting up. ignore please
Post edited November 07, 2015 by Breja
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Elmofongo: Yeah good luck getting at least 10 good actors who are as tall as trees and as beefy as the Hulk and is willing to talk with those LARGE Tusks in their mouths without sounding dumb :P
I'm pretty sure that wouldn't be so hard. We had live action Hellboy. We had live action Grinch done without CGI for fuck's sake. Chewbacca doesn't need to be CGI. Predator didn't need to be CGI. I'm pretty fucking sure a few orcs are not outside the realm of possibility.

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Elmofongo: And what about the large army of orcs scenes?
I'm not saying they shouldn't use any CGI. I don't hate all CG on principle. It's a great tool- when done well and applied where needed. You need a shitload of orcs for battle? Sure, multiply them with CG. Just do it well.

Hell, there can be main characters done all CGI that still look great and hold up in one on one scene's with live actors. Even years later. Just look at Gollum. Are you seriously going to tell me the orcs in this trailer look as good as Gollum did?
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Elmofongo: Yeah good luck getting at least 10 good actors who are as tall as trees and as beefy as the Hulk and is willing to talk with those LARGE Tusks in their mouths without sounding dumb :P
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Breja: I'm pretty sure that wouldn't be so hard. We had live action Hellboy. We had live action Grinch done without CGI for fuck's sake. Chewbacca doesn't need to be CGI. Predator didn't need to be CGI. I'm pretty fucking sure a few orcs are not outside the realm of possibility.

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Elmofongo: And what about the large army of orcs scenes?
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Breja: I'm not saying they shouldn't use any CGI. I don't hate all CG on principle. It's a great tool- when done well and applied where needed. You need a shitload of orcs for battle? Sure, multiply them with CG. Just do it well.

Hell, there can be main characters done all CGI that still look great and hold up in one on one scene's with live actors. Even years later. Just look at Gollum. Are you seriously going to tell me the orcs in this trailer look as good as Gollum did?
Yes I mean look at Durotan in 00:54. THAT LOOKS REAL!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rxoz13Bthc

Pause the video at 00:54 and set the resolution to 1080p or 720p whatever resolution your computer uses.
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Breja: Well, the full trailer is out... and there is no way around it. It looks bad. Just plain bad.
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Klumpen0815: As I've said two years ago: They should have made it 100% CGI
Probably. Or live-action. One or the other. I don't like movies that go half and half, it tends to be jarring just like this trailer.
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Elmofongo: Yes I mean look at Durotan in 00:54. THAT LOOKS REAL!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rxoz13Bthc

Pause the video at 00:54 and set the resolution to 1080p or 720p whatever resolution your computer uses.
No. No, it really doesn't. Not even paused. And it's a MOVIE. It moves. And when it moves, it looks fake as hell.

You know what? Let's simplify this. Let's just compare that oh so reall looking Durotan, to this character from 1985.

I rest my case.
Post edited November 07, 2015 by Breja
The problem is not only "actors" (although this is a problem already), but "bad actors"...

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Klumpen0815: As I've said two years ago: They should have made it 100% CGI
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markrichardb: Probably. Or live-action. One or the other. I don't like movies that go half and half, it tends to be jarring just like this trailer.
Yep, blending real actors and cgi together nicely isn't easy and as has been mentioned before, the editing in favor of 3D-glasses isn't helping, so rather make it full CG than a bad mix.

Regarding no-cgi orcs:
Mickey Rourke would be a great one too, remember Sin City?
Post edited November 07, 2015 by Klumpen0815
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Elmofongo: Teaser Trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA_8TY9Z5Zg

Official Bilzzcon 2015 Trailer:

SOON!!!

So far the live action actors look like they are obviously in a GreenScreen.

I mean say what you will about Greenscreen effects at least those movies that heavily utilizes them tries their best to not make it look obvious and the character too superimposed.

But this man I am hoping this is just a problem with the teaser trailer and it will be fixed in the official release.

I am specifically talking about the scene in 00:04
I am waiting for the Honest Trailers version :P
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Elmofongo: Yes I mean look at Durotan in 00:54. THAT LOOKS REAL!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rxoz13Bthc

Pause the video at 00:54 and set the resolution to 1080p or 720p whatever resolution your computer uses.
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Breja: No. No, it really doesn't. Not even paused. And it's a MOVIE. It moves. And when it moves, it looks fake as hell.

You know what? Let's simplify this. Let's just compare that oh so reall looking Durotan, to this character from 1985.

I rest my case.
Does not have tusks in his mouth as large as a walrus, good luck trying to add that.

Besides you show me well done make up Satan I raise you CG Davy Jones and his Pirate Crew of Fishmen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo-OYwh6KHA

King takes Queen ;P
Post edited November 07, 2015 by Elmofongo
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Klumpen0815: Regarding no-cgi orcs:
Mickey Rourke would be a great one too, remember Sin City?
I was thinking about Michael Clarke Duncan- the Daredevil movie sucked, but he was a pretty good Kingpin, and definately has the physique for playing a warcraft orc. Jason Momoa would probably work too.