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RWarehall: Despite your idiotic linguistic shenanigans, the statement reads fine. It would read fine if you substitute "cisgender" "Native American" "Black" "Hispanic". One does not have to use the redundant word "person" in every sentence if you want to get into pedantics. Of course you are only saying that to shift the topic away from this claim of yours which is obviously wrong...
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RWarehall: Despite your idiotic linguistic shenanigans, the statement reads fine. It would read fine if you substitute "cisgender" "Native American" "Black" "Hispanic". One does not have to use the redundant word "person" in every sentence if you want to get into pedantics.
Speaking purely from a grammatical perspective, I'm not sure it works.
i.e.
"...the 41% number comes from a poll asking living black if they have ever attempted suicide in their lifetime"
Doesn't make sense. Even if one were to pluralise it
"...poll asking living blacks if they have ever...", it still sounds weird. In this case, I think adding person or people at the end would make more sense.
Post edited May 29, 2016 by babark
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The OP is blowing things out of proportion.


The population of trans people is less than 0.5% in America. There have been no recorded crimes of child molestation done by trans people till now.

Catholic priests on the other hand....
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RWarehall: Because the 41% number comes from a poll asking living transgender if they have ever attempted suicide in their lifetime. I think you ask a good question though. How can so many be attempting suicide but only 20 succeeded last year? The hit rate seems to be on par with Imperial Stormtroopers. I think it has a lot to do with the activism. It's pretty clear that this interest group is trying to play up the numbers.
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dtgreene: That 20 figure is, at best, just the number of *reported* suicides of transgender people. Many suicides go unreported, or in many cases, of a closeted or stealth trans person who doesn't appear as trans. (For example, some suicides occur before coming out.)

With the survey, I note that the survey consists of people who are out enough to be willing to take the survey. Some of those people may have been closeted when they attempted, or may have attempted before they even realized they were transgender.

Also, you seem to be missing a word between "transgender" and "if". Maybe you meant to put the word "person" there?
Even if we consider the unreported transgender, the figure is too high that it make no sense.
41% of 956700 is 399247. considering transgender suicide age below 10 and above 50 numbers is very little, as proven in your survey (too young to know suicide and so old that they accept their lifestyle). the overwhelming majority of suicide must happen in 10 to 50 years old. divided 399247 over 40 years and you get nearly 10k transgender suicide per year.

It may be credible that the unreported number is twice or thrice. 10 time unreported is stretching it, but 400 - 500 time of transgender case go unreported is really incredulous.
With that many times reported vs unreported cases it is illogical, especially when the media is hunting for minority oppression.
Post edited May 29, 2016 by Gnostic
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tort1234: The OP is blowing things out of proportion.

The population of trans people is less than 0.5% in America. There have been no recorded crimes of child molestation done by trans people till now.
I don't think that exactly was the OP's argument. It was more along the lines of "Paedophiles will now pretend to be transgender to gain access to bathrooms of the opposite sex in order to molest children". Equally ridiculous, but still, different.
Post edited May 29, 2016 by babark
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RWarehall: Despite your idiotic linguistic shenanigans, the statement reads fine. It would read fine if you substitute "cisgender" "Native American" "Black" "Hispanic". One does not have to use the redundant word "person" in every sentence if you want to get into pedantics.
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babark: Speaking purely from a grammatical perspective, I'm not sure it works.
i.e.
"...the 41% number comes from a poll asking living black if they have ever attempted suicide in their lifetime"
Doesn't make sense. Even if one were to pluralise it
"...poll asking living blacks if they have ever...", it still sounds weird. In this case, I think adding person or people at the end would make more sense.
It does work, but I'll grant it should be plural. You do not need the word people as that would be redundant, unless you don't think they are people? But again, it's Dtgreene going out of her way to distract from the real issue, that the statistics she cites does not make a whole lot of sense.

Let's approach this another way...the overall annual suicide rate is 12.93 per 100,000. If we multiply that out with the figure provided by Gnostic 956,700 (based on 0.3% of the population being trans) we get 125 deaths per year. But wait, the claim is 41% vs 4.7% of the normal population are suicidal [let's ignore the exaggeration this is 10 times higher as it isn't even 9 times]. Now we get 1,089 trans suicides annually or under 2% of these death reported? For a group that has been doing everything possible to expose the issue?

This appears to be another grossly exaggerated number popularized throughout the media that no one seems to even do the most basic fact-checking on...

Edit: I see I used 4.7% instead of 4.6%. Starting from scratch with an estimated figure of 322,762,018 people alive at he start of 2016 and using 0.3% for the trans population you get 968,286. If they are normal using the 12.93 per 100,000 figure we should expect 125 deaths per year. Then applying the 41% suicidal vs. 4.6% of the regular population, you get 1,116 deaths per year. If you believe that many suicides per year is really occurring, you'd have to believe that less than 1 in 50 or just 1.8% of these deaths are being noted by the activists.

The real irony here is that 20 trans suicides in a year...which gets reported as being this crazy high number, would make the trans population less likely to commit suicide than the cis population. Don't you love the media? Where is the fact checking?
Post edited May 29, 2016 by RWarehall
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tort1234: The OP is blowing things out of proportion.

The population of trans people is less than 0.5% in America. There have been no recorded crimes of child molestation done by trans people till now.

Catholic priests on the other hand....
The OP never claimed that children would be molested by trans people.

Gather round, people. Come see the incredibly conditioned citizen. He sees a topic, he jumps to the conclusion he was taught to jump to - no reading necessary, no thinking required.
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tort1234: The OP is blowing things out of proportion.

The population of trans people is less than 0.5% in America. There have been no recorded crimes of child molestation done by trans people till now.

Catholic priests on the other hand....
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Dalthnock: The OP never claimed that children would be molested by trans people.

Gather round, people. Come see the incredibly conditioned citizen. He sees a topic, he jumps to the conclusion he was taught to jump to - no reading necessary, no thinking required.
Dalthnock, do you like movies about gladiators?
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tinyE: Dalthnock, do you like movies about gladiators?
My sexual orientation is irrelevant to the topic.
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tinyE: Dalthnock, do you like movies about gladiators?
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Dalthnock: My sexual orientation is irrelevant to the topic.
Have you ever been in a Turkish prison?
Of course, the (faulty) notion of trans-friendly bathroom laws leading to molesters using it justify their actions and causing an uptick in molestation incidents is a pretty big example of conclusion-jumping on its own.
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit drinking...
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Dalthnock: My sexual orientation is irrelevant to the topic.
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tinyE: Have you ever been in a Turkish prison?
Is this some kind of Voight-Kampff test?
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tinyE: Have you ever been in a Turkish prison?
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Breja: Is this some kind of Voight-Kampff test?
Only if mom ends up being Turkish.
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tinyE: Have you ever been in a Turkish prison?
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Breja: Is this some kind of Voight-Kampff test?
Actually, it's Aeroplane quotes.

Of course you wouldn't know.