Will you please stop talking.

Biology and the need to reproduce is not a fucking social construct.

If you, he, she, or any one else feel the need to pursue any sexual activity because it gives pleasure, do me the courtesy of not confusing that with what is required to successfully reproduce a population, get on with it and have a good time.

I also don't care which toilet you want to use. FFS.

Nature/Nurture experiments have been going on for decades and the results swing both way. Its just my personal opinion that both nature and nurture are important and that which one will win out is not a clear cut case.

As for a boy playing with dolls.
No, it doesn't mean they're trans or gay or anything else. However by denying him the ability to play with the dolls you would be forcing a masculine stereotype onto them.

Letting him choose to play with dolls isn't forcing a feminine stereotype on him either, unless you only gave him dolls.

That is gender as a social construct. Boys get trousers and guns, girls get dresses and Dolls.

My eldest daughter wore dresses and trousers as a child, by the time she was 8 we stopped buying her dresses cause she didn't wear them. Her sister 2 years younger prefers dresses. The nurture was the same.

Parrot the numbers, never question why.

EASY access.

Yes, only 10% of child abuse involves strangers. Because they don't have EASY ACCESS to children.

Yet.

Change things around, guess what? Those numbers are likely to change too.

I give up, believe what you want to believe.

You claim you nurture the same, but is it really? The difference can't possibly be the younger daughter wanting to be different than her sister. Or despite your best intentions, you treat them a little differently? I'm pretty sure most scientists agree that upbringing (social learning) and not biology dictates learning and thoughts. Biology may impair the learning process, but the learning itself is not "genetic". But yeah, I'm sure most people will buy your implication that there is a "wear trousers" gene combination...

All I am trying to do, is just maybe open your mind a little bit that you might be a tad jumping the gun on that this is a sudden new way for predators to strike children. I am not saying you are completely wrong, I am not saying that those in support of this are wrong either, I am just trying to give you some information.

Because honestly, I find my self hating you, and I don't want to hate you, I don't agree with you at all, but I don't think hating you is right, so lets just agree to disagree on this and I am going to take my leave, all I ask is you look at the data I provided, and just take a look at your opinion from a different angle, and have a great weekend.

-Lord_Kane

EDIT: Removed to avoid... everything :P

and keeps bringing up
and keeps bringing up
and keeps bringing up

I got a $50 says if everyone in here comes in and suddenly agrees with him, he'll change his stance 180 degrees and keep bitching. :P

I know you removed it, but I am tired and slightly may have misunderstood, where you calling me inept?
I dont think you were.

Definately not you.

Sorry I removed it, I just really don't want to get dragged into this and prolong this thread.

was just checking.
I didnt think you were, but I am tired, my feet and head hurt.

Predators do have easy access to women and little girls even without any laws about bathroom use.

If you actually want to do something about it, the easiest solution (if one pretends the First Amendment doesn't exist) would be to close all churches, because *that* is where a much bigger proportion of such sexual offenses occur.

One big problem:

If a person who obviously looks like a women goes into the men's room, people would notice, and that would likely result in her being outed.

There's also the issue of feeling like you don't belong in that bathroom. If Amy is a (trans) woman, why *shouldn't* she be allowed to use the women's room?

Of course, since both men and women use stalls, why not just get rid of the gender signs on bathrooms like Cooper Union did?
Here's the dividing line; go by how the person identifies, what pronouns the person prefers, etc. A person who loves dollhouses but prefers male pronouns is a boy (regardess of birth genital configurations), while a person who likes sports and dislikes dresses but prefers female pronouns is a girl.

Also, the reason that parents shouldn't be allowed to "correct" it is that doing so would be immensely harmful to the child. See the case of David Reimer.

What a depressing world we live in, full of self-proclaimed sjws. Really sickening! “Protect all children! Prettyplease think about them! You monster!” Wow, what a load of rubbish!

Protect them? The sissies who complain all the time “This too hard, that too hard”, I beg your pardon! When I was a lad, when I lost a ballgame, I didn't get a “participation ribbon”, I didn't get dinner! “Winning is not everything, it is the only thing” my old man always said! Words of wisdom my friends, ballgames do matter, winners become glorious leader of men and losers get nothing, such is the circle of life! Complaining changes nothing, just get over it!
By the way here is a fun fact, I never lost a ballgame, just talking about a hypothetical situation, a “what if” scenario.

I also have the suspicion that the “unlucky to get caught by a predator” children are not native children, must be foreigners, possible illegal aliens! Native children are much smarter. Sooo typical, the parents clog our social systems, their children clog our toilets and of course, white knights in shining armor are actually defending this. All for facebook likes from some ugly feminists. Madness, I say!

We need glorious leader of men, not sissies who can't win a ballgame, there is only one solution! Let them play on the autobahn! The surviving boys will undoubtedly turn into glorious leader of men! Girls must play too, we need strong girls too! Let's be honest for a second, standing the whole day in the kitchen preparing food for your glorious husband is hard work and requires strong legs! So the autobahn is our only hope for saving our civilization!

But I can already hear your responses “I live in a county with no autobahn :-(“. Sigh, such an uncivilized country you live in. But here is the solution, build an autobahn. Preferably using child labor, much cheaper this way and character-building for the little rascals. Character-building and autobahn-building, that is a classic win-win situation if I ever saw one!
Then the children can play and the surviving boys will turn into glorious leader of men and the girls will become great cooks!

On a somewhat related note, let's not forget this is a gaming forum after all, hitting children on the autobahn reminds me of some kind of “reverse Frogger”, a beloved classic game. You control your car and instead of frogs there are children on the road, what a great concept! No matter who you are, or where you are from we've all found this forum, we got that in common, so we all agree gaming is fun! Everybody can play it could turn into some kind of national hobby.
Of course poor people, who don't own cars, or environmentalists will not play but don't get me started on those! Poor people and environmentalists, ughhh, I almost hate them as much as sjws!

Now I'm not a newbie on the internet, I know about the difficulties of detecting irony/sarcasm in the written word, so a few of you might ask me “Surely you can't be serious” so let me quickly respond to that.

I am serious and don't call me Shirley!

Dtgreene, David Reimer proves nothing. This has been gone over before. This is a case where someone who was born male, was lied to and brought up as female, but as biological changes kicked in, he realized he was born a boy and lied to all along. In this case, all it shows is biological sex is very important and in many ways disproves your point.

And frankly, who the hell do you think YOU are to tell parents what they can an can't do with their child? Notice how you choose not to address the fact that people grow out of these feelings, like the post Gnostic linked which talks about a woman did not fit in with the "girl" click but learned it was the not fitting in which was the problem and not that she wasn't a girl, or the trans friend who told her how he regretted undergoing a change. How you continue to claim that young children somehow have these rights over their parents is beyond me...

unfortunately, for science, such absolute control of a study if not only impossible but highly unethical.