htown1980: For the record, I don't think its cool for men with erections to be standing naked next to little girls. But you didn't answer one of my questions though "where are all these public locker rooms where young girls are having showers without their parents?"
But maybe if you're not " ok with men using anything along with little girls, period. Or little boys, but that IS allowed..." then lets just stick with the toilet thing, rather than showers. It's too easy to jump around from one topic to another.
So is it correct that you are not ok with men and boys using the same toilets?
Dalthnock: That's different & I will explain you why:
A father can safely enter the men's toilets with his son to protect him from other men until he's old enough to go by himself.
A mother can safely enter the women's toilets with her daughter to protect her from other women until she's old enough to go by herself.
A 14 year old boy has a chance against a grown man. A 14 year old girl DOES NOT. I don't care who they believe they are, the fact of the matter is, women's bodies are built differently from men's bodies & the man's weight advantage is too big for the girl to overcome.
THIS is called REALITY.
IF and WHEN the child grows old enough to CHOOSE - because it's their choice & it's all kinds of fucked up to "encourage" someone who shows no inclination to become transgender to do so - AND decides to transition to whatever they want, THEN that's another matter entirely that should be separated from this particular discussion.
I'm sure there's a way to give trans people - REAL trans people - their rights without taking away the rights of other people.
Is this so hard to comprehend?
Now is the bit where you disregard everything I just wrote & go back to transgender people's rights while not giving a shit about anyone else's.
Go!
I appreciate why you are being defensive, but I haven't mentioned anyone's rights, I'm just trying to understand your thought process. I don't think I have mentioned sex changes or trans people at all.
You had just said you are not "ok with men using anything along with little girls, period. Or little boys, but that IS allowed..." so I had assumed from that comment that you didn't like the idea of men using a toilet with little boys. That is why I asked that question "So is it correct that you are not ok with men and boys using the same toilets?" (I note you didn't answer that question). But from you last comment it appears you are totally ok with men using toilets with little boys. I find it hard to have a discussion with you about this when you keep changing your position.
OK, so you're fine with men using toilets with boys because you expect the father to go to the toilet with the boy until he is 14. Personally, I think that's insane. I was definitely going to the toilet by myself when I was a lot younger than 14. I would hate it if my dad followed me to the toilet when I was, say 12 years old. I can't as an 11 year old, hang out with just my friends at the park as I don't have my dad to go a public toilet with me?... How embarrassing for me.
You'd earlier indicated that pedophilia was your concern. The title of this topic even references children. Pedophelia refers to the disorder in which adults are attracted to pre-pubescent children. Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12, criteria for pedophilia usually extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13. But it seems to me, based on your post above that your concern is not for children so much as it is for pubescent girls. Possibly hebephilia but more likely epebophilia is your concern then, not pedophilia.
So from what I understand from your previous post, your concern is not that children are being sacrificed, but that pubescent girls could be potentially raped in toilets by men, but not so much that pubescent boys could be potentially raped by men, because they have "a fighting chance".
I guess I wonder what in your head makes a toilet so different from anywhere else? A 14 year old girl could be raped by a man anywhere. Why do you think its more dangerous for a man to be alone with a 14 year old girl in a public toilet than alone with her somewhere else? Statistically, I think you'll find the vast majority of abductions happen outside of public toilets.
Also, where are all these public locker rooms where young girls are having showers without their parents?