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tinyE: They can. Remember when Hatred came out. :P
Ah yes, the good old days :P

Hmm that reminds me, I haven't had a shower yet. I really hope that one day, still within our lifetime, someone somewhere will see the light and design a shower that works like a rain storm. As in, the entire roof acts as the shower head, with accompanying thunder and everything.
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tinyE: They can. Remember when Hatred came out. :P
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Matewis: Ah yes, the good old days :P

Hmm that reminds me, I haven't had a shower yet. I really hope that one day, still within our lifetime, someone somewhere will see the light and design a shower that works like a rain storm. As in, the entire roof acts as the shower head, with accompanying thunder and everything.
There are showers that use the entire roof as a showerhead and a couple lightbulbs could imitate lightning, plus a soundtrack could be used for the thunder sound.

To be honest, I couldn't relax in such a shower. :)
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htown1980: For the record, I don't think its cool for men with erections to be standing naked next to little girls. But you didn't answer one of my questions though "where are all these public locker rooms where young girls are having showers without their parents?"

But maybe if you're not " ok with men using anything along with little girls, period. Or little boys, but that IS allowed..." then lets just stick with the toilet thing, rather than showers. It's too easy to jump around from one topic to another.

So is it correct that you are not ok with men and boys using the same toilets?
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Dalthnock: That's different & I will explain you why:

A father can safely enter the men's toilets with his son to protect him from other men until he's old enough to go by himself.

A mother can safely enter the women's toilets with her daughter to protect her from other women until she's old enough to go by herself.

A 14 year old boy has a chance against a grown man. A 14 year old girl DOES NOT. I don't care who they believe they are, the fact of the matter is, women's bodies are built differently from men's bodies & the man's weight advantage is too big for the girl to overcome.

THIS is called REALITY.

IF and WHEN the child grows old enough to CHOOSE - because it's their choice & it's all kinds of fucked up to "encourage" someone who shows no inclination to become transgender to do so - AND decides to transition to whatever they want, THEN that's another matter entirely that should be separated from this particular discussion.

I'm sure there's a way to give trans people - REAL trans people - their rights without taking away the rights of other people.

Is this so hard to comprehend?

Now is the bit where you disregard everything I just wrote & go back to transgender people's rights while not giving a shit about anyone else's.

Go!
I appreciate why you are being defensive, but I haven't mentioned anyone's rights, I'm just trying to understand your thought process. I don't think I have mentioned sex changes or trans people at all.

You had just said you are not "ok with men using anything along with little girls, period. Or little boys, but that IS allowed..." so I had assumed from that comment that you didn't like the idea of men using a toilet with little boys. That is why I asked that question "So is it correct that you are not ok with men and boys using the same toilets?" (I note you didn't answer that question). But from you last comment it appears you are totally ok with men using toilets with little boys. I find it hard to have a discussion with you about this when you keep changing your position.

OK, so you're fine with men using toilets with boys because you expect the father to go to the toilet with the boy until he is 14. Personally, I think that's insane. I was definitely going to the toilet by myself when I was a lot younger than 14. I would hate it if my dad followed me to the toilet when I was, say 12 years old. I can't as an 11 year old, hang out with just my friends at the park as I don't have my dad to go a public toilet with me?... How embarrassing for me.

You'd earlier indicated that pedophilia was your concern. The title of this topic even references children. Pedophelia refers to the disorder in which adults are attracted to pre-pubescent children. Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12, criteria for pedophilia usually extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13. But it seems to me, based on your post above that your concern is not for children so much as it is for pubescent girls. Possibly hebephilia but more likely epebophilia is your concern then, not pedophilia.

So from what I understand from your previous post, your concern is not that children are being sacrificed, but that pubescent girls could be potentially raped in toilets by men, but not so much that pubescent boys could be potentially raped by men, because they have "a fighting chance".

I guess I wonder what in your head makes a toilet so different from anywhere else? A 14 year old girl could be raped by a man anywhere. Why do you think its more dangerous for a man to be alone with a 14 year old girl in a public toilet than alone with her somewhere else? Statistically, I think you'll find the vast majority of abductions happen outside of public toilets.

Also, where are all these public locker rooms where young girls are having showers without their parents?
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tinyE: They can. Remember when Hatred came out. :P
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Matewis: Ah yes, the good old days :P

Hmm that reminds me, I haven't had a shower yet. I really hope that one day, still within our lifetime, someone somewhere will see the light and design a shower that works like a rain storm. As in, the entire roof acts as the shower head, with accompanying thunder and everything.
They have that,

It's called GOING OUTSIDE!!! :P

Wait, does it rain in South Africa? I'm not kidding; you folks are pretty close to the equator. It sure as hell isn't London or Seattle.
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tinyE: They have that,

It's called GOING OUTSIDE!!! :P

Wait, does it rain in South Africa? I'm not kidding; you folks are pretty close to the equator. It sure as hell isn't London or Seattle.
I'm not pretty enough to stand around naked outside in the rain with my loofa :P Also, it will be difficult to 'shower' in anything other than a torrential downpour. Also, neighbours...

And yeah, we get some awesome summer rain here in the . Once or twice in summer it will be raining seemingly none-stop for a week or more, sometimes creating [url=http://traveller24.news24.com/MyTravels/pics-heavy-rains-hit-kruger-national-park-and-surrounds-20160309]flood problems. But it's blue skies pretty much straight through winter and most of the time the rest of the year. Rain only rarely breaks the tedium outside of summer. Weirdly that has the effect that a London type grey and totally overcast day puts everyone in an awesome mood.
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tinyE: They can. Remember when Hatred came out. :P
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Matewis: Ah yes, the good old days :P

Hmm that reminds me, I haven't had a shower yet. I really hope that one day, still within our lifetime, someone somewhere will see the light and design a shower that works like a rain storm. As in, the entire roof acts as the shower head, with accompanying thunder and everything.
Yeah, Hatred. Was there any other game that ended up with a "Don't get" wishlist entry

I personally don't see any reason why your "rainstorm" shower idea couldn't be made.

If I was competent, I would start off with something like http://www.allshowerheads.com/rain-shower-heads-the-new-trend-of-stylish-bathrooms/
but have it out of plexiglass or something similar

basically google "LED showerhead"
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Matewis: Ah yes, the good old days :P

Hmm that reminds me, I haven't had a shower yet. I really hope that one day, still within our lifetime, someone somewhere will see the light and design a shower that works like a rain storm. As in, the entire roof acts as the shower head, with accompanying thunder and everything.
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Rusty_Gunn: Yeah, Hatred. Was there any other game that ended up with a "Don't get" wishlist entry

I personally don't see any reason why your "rainstorm" shower idea couldn't be made.

If I was competent, I would start off with something like http://www.allshowerheads.com/rain-shower-heads-the-new-trend-of-stylish-bathrooms/
but have it out of plexiglass or something similar

basically google "LED showerhead"
Ever see the Seinfeld shower head episode? XD

"They use this on elephants!"
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PetrusOctavianus: Will you stop using that word?
It's offensive.
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dtgreene: No, it isn't
You have no right to decide what is offensive to straight, male men. You've never been in the position of a straight male who's been constantly under attack by the LGBTQKLAJDSBLAHBLAHBLAHFEMNAZI99%OFTHEINTERNETPOPULACEWANTTOBELONGTOSOME"MINORITY"BECAUSEITSHIP-crowd. You dudes have to learn to respect other people's feelings. Check your privilege ;)
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dtgreene: No, it isn't
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real.geizterfahr: You have no right to decide what is offensive to straight, male men. You've never been in the position of a straight male who's been constantly under attack by the LGBTQKLAJDSBLAHBLAHBLAHFEMNAZI99%OFTHEINTERNETPOPULACEWANTTOBELONGTOSOME"MINORITY"BECAUSEITSHIP-crowd. You dudes have to learn to respect other people's feelings. Chack your privilege ;)
We own and run the planet, what do we give a shit if we get attacked? :P
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NuffCatnip: There are showers that use the entire roof as a showerhead and a couple lightbulbs could imitate lightning, plus a soundtrack could be used for the thunder sound.

To be honest, I couldn't relax in such a shower. :)
Oh I definitely could :) It just needs to be large enough to fit a comfy plastic beach chair, and built in speakers to listen to audio books, like lord of the rings. Absolute heaven...

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Rusty_Gunn: Yeah, Hatred. Was there any other game that ended up with a "Don't get" wishlist entry

I personally don't see any reason why your "rainstorm" shower idea couldn't be made.

If I was competent, I would start off with something like http://www.allshowerheads.com/rain-shower-heads-the-new-trend-of-stylish-bathrooms/
but have it out of plexiglass or something similar

basically google "LED showerhead"
Great! But it needs to be larger, to cover the entire shower roof. Perhaps using plexiglass like you said. Water wastage might be an issue, and a pump to re-use the water in the shower might be a bit icky. Perhaps instead one could connect the shower drainage to a garden irrigation system, and then whenever you want to water the garden, you just go and take a half hour shower while listening to a LotR audiobook.
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real.geizterfahr: You dudes
She's no dude, dude. Watch it.
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Rusty_Gunn: Yeah, Hatred. Was there any other game that ended up with a "Don't get" wishlist entry

I personally don't see any reason why your "rainstorm" shower idea couldn't be made.

If I was competent, I would start off with something like http://www.allshowerheads.com/rain-shower-heads-the-new-trend-of-stylish-bathrooms/
but have it out of plexiglass or something similar

basically google "LED showerhead"
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tinyE: Ever see the Seinfeld shower head episode? XD

"They use this on elephants!"
I'm guessing that's the one where Kramer decides to prepare all his food in the shower, like the salad at the dinner party XD
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Matewis: If only game related discussions could also be this lively :\
Well, there is the discussion that followed the release of Baldur's Gate: Siege of Dragonspear.
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tinyE: We own and run the planet, what do we give a shit if we get attacked?
I'm just having my fun with dtgreene here. Our little princess never gets tired to tell people that we have no right to decide what's offensive to her, yet she claims the right to decide that cis and cisgendered isn't an offensive term.

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real.geizterfahr: You dudes
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Crackpot.756: She's no dude, dude. Watch it.
I know ;)
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htown1980: I appreciate why you are being defensive, but I haven't mentioned anyone's rights, I'm just trying to understand your thought process. I don't think I have mentioned sex changes or trans people at all.

You had just said you are not "ok with men using anything along with little girls, period. Or little boys, but that IS allowed..." so I had assumed from that comment that you didn't like the idea of men using a toilet with little boys. That is why I asked that question "So is it correct that you are not ok with men and boys using the same toilets?" (I note you didn't answer that question). But from you last comment it appears you are totally ok with men using toilets with little boys. I find it hard to have a discussion with you about this when you keep changing your position.

OK, so you're fine with men using toilets with boys because you expect the father to go to the toilet with the boy until he is 14. Personally, I think that's insane. I was definitely going to the toilet by myself when I was a lot younger than 14. I would hate it if my dad followed me to the toilet when I was, say 12 years old. I can't as an 11 year old, hang out with just my friends at the park as I don't have my dad to go a public toilet with me?... How embarrassing for me.

You'd earlier indicated that pedophilia was your concern. The title of this topic even references children. Pedophelia refers to the disorder in which adults are attracted to pre-pubescent children. Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12, criteria for pedophilia usually extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13. But it seems to me, based on your post above that your concern is not for children so much as it is for pubescent girls. Possibly hebephilia but more likely epebophilia is your concern then, not pedophilia.

So from what I understand from your previous post, your concern is not that children are being sacrificed, but that pubescent girls could be potentially raped in toilets by men, but not so much that pubescent boys could be potentially raped by men, because they have "a fighting chance".

I guess I wonder what in your head makes a toilet so different from anywhere else? A 14 year old girl could be raped by a man anywhere. Why do you think its more dangerous for a man to be alone with a 14 year old girl in a public toilet than alone with her somewhere else? Statistically, I think you'll find the vast majority of abductions happen outside of public toilets.

Also, where are all these public locker rooms where young girls are having showers without their parents?
I have answered all the questions you have asked. What you're doing is very simply ignoring them if they're not the replies you want & you're picking bits & pieces that weren't carefully worded like a written contract to try to poke holes in my argument.

Please read my post again & tell me where I said that parents should accompany their children to the toilets until they're 14.

I merely used 14 year old examples after stating that parents of the same sex have an easier time taking their children to the toilet.

I also stated many times that I'm not ok with grown men being naked near young boys, YET YOU KEEP CLAIMING I AM OK WITH IT. That is worse than insults, because YOU keep claiming that *I* say things that I don't, in a pathetic attempt to make me look bad.

Why? What is your goal here? You're obviously trying to accomplish something & purposefully twisting my words again & again.
Post edited May 22, 2016 by Dalthnock