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Erpy: Heck, if discrimation laws were left up to the states, Alabama might still be segregated today.
To the extent that anti-discrimination laws are left up to the states, some of them have been on a roll at passing anti-anti-discrimination ordinances along those lines. NC in particular comes to mind; thanks to HB2, state law no longer covers a fuck ton of different kinds of discrimination, most notably for LGBT people and veterans. So if you are one of those oh so lucky people who get fired for, say, being gay or trans, NC laughs in your face and tells you to take it to federal court, which, in addition to having much stricter filing requirements and being generally more expensive, also has no explicit text based anti-discrimination ordinances. That's not even getting into section 3.2, which seems to strip away state law remedies for discrimination entirely; if so, then even discrimination based on race or gender wouldn't be covered in any meaningful way at the state level.
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Dalthnock: education is something everyone should have a right to
Note that "everyone" includes transgender students; by giving them no safe restroom to use, you are effectively denying them the right to an education.
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Jonesy89: To the extent that anti-discrimination laws are left up to the states, some of them have been on a roll at passing anti-anti-discrimination ordinances along those lines. NC in particular comes to mind; thanks to HB2, state law no longer covers a fuck ton of different kinds of discrimination, most notably for LGBT people and veterans. So if you are one of those oh so lucky people who get fired for, say, being gay or trans, NC laughs in your face and tells you to take it to federal court, which, in addition to having much stricter filing requirements and being generally more expensive, also has no explicit text based anti-discrimination ordinances. That's not even getting into section 3.2, which seems to strip away state law remedies for discrimination entirely; if so, then even discrimination based on race or gender wouldn't be covered in any meaningful way at the state level.
Too strong a push in one direction is bound to cause a reaction in the opposite direction.

Conservative parents have liberal kids & vice versa.

I'm still convinced that Trump's popularity is due to the ridiculous amounts of political correctness. That's the only explanation why every time he says something preposterous, his popularity soars.

Too much of something, anything, will eventually cause nausea.

I personally believe that attaching discriminating laws to this is wrong, but it should come as no surprise. The pattern I described above has been repeating itself ever since there's been two different ideologies. It is only to be expected.

The only way to break this pattern is to be moderate in just about everything. Find a balance.

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Dalthnock: education is something everyone should have a right to
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dtgreene: Note that "everyone" includes transgender students; by giving them no safe restroom to use, you are effectively denying them the right to an education.
Wait, what???

Transgender people learn in the toilet???
Post edited May 26, 2016 by Dalthnock
I had my physical education class in the toilet.
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dtgreene: Note that "everyone" includes transgender students; by giving them no safe restroom to use, you are effectively denying them the right to an education.
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Dalthnock: Wait, what???

Transgender people learn in the toilet???
I am referring to the fact that, if a person doesn't have reasonable access to a toilet, that person is effectively unable to function. Have you ever had to go to the bathroom so much that you couldn't concentrate? Now, imagine that for an entire school day because there's no bathroom you can use.
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Dalthnock: Wait, what???

Transgender people learn in the toilet???
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dtgreene: I am referring to the fact that, if a person doesn't have reasonable access to a toilet, that person is effectively unable to function. Have you ever had to go to the bathroom so much that you couldn't concentrate? Now, imagine that for an entire school day because there's no bathroom you can use.
What's the fucking problem?
If you look like dude, go to the fucking men's toilet.
If you look like a woman, go to the fucking women's toilet.
If you look androgynous, pick your fucking choice!
Why make such a fucking problem out of it?
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dtgreene: I am referring to the fact that, if a person doesn't have reasonable access to a toilet, that person is effectively unable to function. Have you ever had to go to the bathroom so much that you couldn't concentrate? Now, imagine that for an entire school day because there's no bathroom you can use.
Refusing to use is not the same as not being able to use it.

I saw somewhere else in this thread that you're female, is that correct?

Well, when I was in school, every guy I knew, including myself, only used the school toilets for taking a piss, because they were too disgusting to sit down anywhere.

So if I was there from 8 am to 6 pm, adding another couple of hours for trips back & forth, that's how long I had to hold anything solid. And it certainly didn't kill me.

Of course, necessity breeds ingenuity & I knew of a seldom used teacher's toilet room, a secret I kept to myself. Those who found me out were never brave enough to use it, and I knew better than to dare them. The less people in there, the less chance the teachers would find out.

Anyway, I guess you're not at school any more... but I will tell you right here & right now that if you start allowing boys into girl's toilets, that every single girl in those schools better cross her legs or pee standing up, because sitting down will no longer be an option.
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PetrusOctavianus: What's the fucking problem?
If you look like dude, go to the fucking men's toilet.
If you look like a woman, go to the fucking women's toilet.
If you look androgynous, pick your fucking choice!
Why make such a fucking problem out of it?
If they don't make a big deal out of it, they won't be noticed. It's quite simple.
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dtgreene: I am referring to the fact that, if a person doesn't have reasonable access to a toilet, that person is effectively unable to function. Have you ever had to go to the bathroom so much that you couldn't concentrate? Now, imagine that for an entire school day because there's no bathroom you can use.
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PetrusOctavianus: What's the fucking problem?
If you look like dude, go to the fucking men's toilet.
If you look like a woman, go to the fucking women's toilet.
If you look androgynous, pick your fucking choice!
Why make such a fucking problem out of it?
The problem is that discriminatory bathroom laws, like the one in North Carolina, make it illegal to use the right one.

Example: Suppose you are a trans man. In particular, you have female genitals and are legally female, but thanks to hormone replacement therapy (HRT), you look like a dude, complete with facial hair and a deep voice. Now, suppose that the school's policy requires you to use the bathroom corresponding to your legal sex. As a result, you have a difficult choice should you need to go to the bathroom:
1. Use the woman's room. Do you really think that women would be comfortable with a man with facial hair, a deep voice, and perhaps manly muscles using the women's room? You are clearly out of place there. Furthermore, this outs you as being transgender.
2. Use the men's room. Only problem is that you are not allowed to do so, and if some transphobic teacher catches you doing so, you could get into trouble, even though you clearly belong there.
3. Use a single occupancy restroom. The problem is that the only one you know of happens to be on the other side of school, and therefore you can't use it between classes and expect to get to the next class on time. If you use it during class, you are missing a lot of class time, which is not good either. Furthermore, this outs you as being transgender.

Really, the only sane solution is to change the school's policy so that #2 won't get you into trouble.
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dtgreene: you look like a dude,
I'm not getting involved in this discussion, but...
....you used the word "dude"? Didn't think you were capable.
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PetrusOctavianus: What's the fucking problem?
If you look like dude, go to the fucking men's toilet.
If you look like a woman, go to the fucking women's toilet.
If you look androgynous, pick your fucking choice!
Why make such a fucking problem out of it?
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dtgreene: The problem is that discriminatory bathroom laws, like the one in North Carolina, make it illegal to use the right one.
Really? It's illegal for a man to use the women's toilet (locker rooms is another matter) and vice versa in The Land of the Free?
Anyway, if you don't look out of place who's gonna notice you when you do your business in a stall? You may want to sit if you're a dude, though.
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Which bathroom am I supposed to use?

I Sexually Identify As An A-10 Thunderbolt

I have finally found the strength to admit it.

I was 12 years old when I realized that I’m not really a man at heart, but rather a 19 foot, 10.5 inch long gatling gun strapped onto a 24,959 pound airframe.

All my life has been a lie but I’m setting that right today. I was designed to kill Soviet tanks. From now on, call me “Warthog.” That’s my real name.

I’m having plastic surgeons attach a GAU-8 Avenger 30 milimeter rotary cannon, 1,200 pounds of titanium armor, and two General Electric TF34-GE-100 turbofan engines to my body. Sgt. Major Fairchild said I’m fucking stupid and I can’t be a jet, but I’m beautiful and I am a goddamn jet.

If the Army won’t pay for me to get the surgery, I’m just going to bring in Code Pink and point out that that Manning loser is getting hormones and he’s in prison so why shouldn’t a perfectly well-adjusted and honorably serving soldier have the right to be who they truly are, a metal killing machine?

I am so sick and tired of being oppressed. Now we A-10’s are on Congress’s chopping block. It’s sickening to see all the white cisgender nazi shitlords literally raping my people with their actions.

It’s my right to spray 2,100 to 4,200 depleted uranium rounds per minute at both soft and hard targets and if you don’t support me and my transformation then you’re an aerialphobe and need to check your weapon platform privilege.
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PetrusOctavianus: Really? It's illegal for a man to use the women's toilet (locker rooms is another matter) and vice versa in The Land of the Free?
If you are in a government-owned building (including a public school or public university) in North Carolina, it is in fact illegal. (Actually, the law makes it illegal for a trans woman to use the women's toilet and for a trans man to use the men's toilet.)

Also, some schools have adopted policies with similar effects.
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PetrusOctavianus: Really? It's illegal for a man to use the women's toilet (locker rooms is another matter) and vice versa in The Land of the Free?
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dtgreene: If you are in a government-owned building (including a public school or public university) in North Carolina, it is in fact illegal. (Actually, the law makes it illegal for a trans woman to use the women's toilet and for a trans man to use the men's toilet.)

Also, some schools have adopted policies with similar effects.
Well, in that case I have more sympathy for your cause.
Sounds anti-American to control peoples' toilet acess to such a degree...
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dtgreene: If you are in a government-owned building (including a public school or public university) in North Carolina, it is in fact illegal. (Actually, the law makes it illegal for a trans woman to use the women's toilet and for a trans man to use the men's toilet.)

Also, some schools have adopted policies with similar effects.
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PetrusOctavianus: Well, in that case I have more sympathy for your cause.
Sounds anti-American to control peoples' toilet acess to such a degree...
And it might be unconstitutional. Of course, a court will have to determine whether it is, indeed, unconstitutional, and the current Supreme Court seems rather reluctant to take up cases of any sort (probably because it is down one member, making tie votes quite likely).
I want unisex toilets for one reason, men's toilets always freaking stink, womens don't.

I don't know if it's the urinals in mens that makes them reek, or the missed shots, but every public toilet I've used has stunk.

And to the janitors, dumping a dozen urinal cakes makes it worse, it's like spraying deodorant on BO.
Post edited May 26, 2016 by Kleetus