So, why is this question invalid?

(Note: This post is not serious, unlike most of the other posts in this thread.)

You may want to seriously ask yourself:

(Basically, if you ask why X is true, and X actually isn't true, the question is invalid.)

Getting back on this thread made me fail all my sanity checks, Nyarlathotep is among us.

Oh shit, Algebra.

You missed the joke in my post.

If the question I just posted is invalid, then it is now asking why it's invalid, which is in turn valid.

If the question I just posted is valid, then it is asking why it's invalid, but it isn't invalid, so it is, indeed, invalid.

If your head is spinning now, that's normal.

(Wondering when, or if, this thread will escape this tangent.)

You may want to ask yourself when a question is invalid, try invoking some of that bullshit logic you have gained from god knows where.

Try looking at the link I posted too, you might just laugh at the whole thing.

You choose to use the word "shit" to swear.

You mentioned mathematics.

This post validity is 100% accurate.

As a non-feminist aka not-a-white-knight type. I think you're confusing feminists with the more extremist "Rad fems" & feminazis (granted it can be confusing as they fly the feminist flag)

It's the same as Muslims. Not all are jihadists & Islamists.

I'm not really a fan of either ideology but let's not throw out the duped & misinformed with the hateful.

with Social Justice types acting like "Jim Crow" is the future they choose, racism can only get worse.

The best way to tell a lie is to tell the truth, carefully constructed truth with other truth dismissed.

I go and find out how you get the numbers and the study say "LIFETIME SUICIDE ATTEMPTS"

Contrast that to suicide rate of men "YEARLY" it is 20.7% now
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db241.htm?version=meter+at+null&module=meter-Links&pgtype=article&contentId=&mediaId=&referrer=&priority=true&action=click&contentCollection=meter-links-click#fig2

It will take TWO YEARS for men suicide to catch up with what transgender takes a lifetime.

Now it put things into perspective right?

If some other post you are flaunting transgender homicide as a historical high. It is a total of 21 in year 2015
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/13/transgender-homicide-victims-us-has-hit-historic-high
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_demographics_of_the_United_States

With a population of 318.9M and a transgender of 0.3% you have 956700 transgender. 21/956700 = 0.0022% homicide

According to the FBI the total manslaughter per 100000 people is 13483,that is 13.483%
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-16/table_16_rate_by_population_group_2013.xls

Now it put things into perspective right?

Activist like to spike the numbers for their means, but doing that too many time make me wise up and start to ask questions.


Edit: Missed out the link to how the study of 41% transgender suicide is taken
http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf

You are mis-reading that study. The yearly suicide rate of men isn't 20.7% (20.7 per 100); it's 20.7 per 100,000, or .00207%, or 4 magnitudes lower than what you were treating it. Therefore, the comparison isn't valid because you got the units wrong.

You are right. That's something bugging me about that figure. If it is correct man gone extinct in 5 years.

Sorry for the wrong info and thank you for correcting me.

Do you have a actual figure of reported transgender suicide per year.so I can compare the figures side by side?
Because I am skeptical with the figures since the activist cry wolf with the homicide numbers.
They pull all the data from survey of a small group of 6-7K people so it can be doctored. I need to see the transgender suicide per year to believe it.
Mysteriously I cannot find any numbers on that recently, and as if all the numbers are taken from survey with a small sample of people. Why there are no number of transgender suicide per year?

The best I can find is a 2005 post stating 1500 Gay and Lesbian youth commit suicide every year, when you compare it with the total population in that year 295.5M with 0.3% LGBT the percentage become very small.

Sorry but in the past number activist made up "1 in 12 transgender will be murdered" when calculation show 0.0022%. It make me skeptical of the activist survey.

Edit: I found something close to it, there are 20 reported transgender suicide in 2015
http://spectrum.suntimes.com/news/10/155/4495/report-ashley-hallstrom-20th-trans-suicide-year
With the number of transgender at 956700, how that makes it 41%?

Because the 41% number comes from a poll asking living transgender if they have ever attempted suicide in their lifetime. I think you ask a good question though. How can so many be attempting suicide but only 20 succeeded last year? The hit rate seems to be on par with Imperial Stormtroopers. I think it has a lot to do with the activism. It's pretty clear that this interest group is trying to play up the numbers.

I also wouldn't be surprised if there is a disconnect in the survey. Did the survey ask whether the respondents "attempted" suicide or whether they have just "considered" suicide? I know it says "attempted" in the report....

But you are correct, the numbers make very little sense as stated... This part of the report begs a few questions. Did this distribution method allow activists to fluff the numbers to portray the issue as a bigger problem than it really is? It wouldn't take that much to "stuff the ballot box" to make it appear to be a much worse problem than reality. And given the online nature of the survey and how it's distributed through activist organizations, it really makes the findings questionable.

That 20 figure is, at best, just the number of *reported* suicides of transgender people. Many suicides go unreported, or in many cases, of a closeted or stealth trans person who doesn't appear as trans. (For example, some suicides occur before coming out.)

With the survey, I note that the survey consists of people who are out enough to be willing to take the survey. Some of those people may have been closeted when they attempted, or may have attempted before they even realized they were transgender.

Also, you seem to be missing a word between "transgender" and "if". Maybe you meant to put the word "person" there?

You know, the standard figure for suicide attempt to deaths is 25 to 1. Are you claiming 1,000's of suicides are being covered up every year? C'mon. Get real...

Despite your idiotic linguistic shenanigans, the statement reads fine. It would read fine if you substitute "cisgender" "Native American" "Black" "Hispanic". One does not have to use the redundant word "person" in every sentence if you want to get into pedantics. Of course you are only saying that to shift the topic away from this claim of yours which is obviously wrong...