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Posted April 21, 2014
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Johnathanamz: I wish VALVe would go bankrupt or gog.com to get bigger than Steam so VALVe can change their damn policies.

Also I am so sick and tired of VALVe introducing these damn microtransactions on Steam in the market the Steam Trading Cards and the skins. I wish they made the trading cards only tradeable and not sellable.

Counter-Strike: Global Offensive is not a Free to Play (F2P) video game and is filled with microtransactions like being able to buy keys, name tags, and skins. I wish VALVe ends up losing money then changes business practices.

I wish CD Projekt RED got so rich and purchased VALVe from Gabe Newell and changed the company :D.

That's me though I am ANTI-MICROTRANSACTIONS if a video game is not Free to Play (F2P).
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Mr.Caine: I hope you realize that keys,cards,skins,crates-all that shit is in no way,shape or form mandatory.If you don't care about that pretty but completely optional stuff you just sell what you get and get some money on the side to spend on games so you basically get some of the money you spend on the game back.Wortheless argument is wortheless.
I am still against this even if it's not mandatory. it's ruining the video game industry. The keys you actually have to purchase to open cases, crates, and sticker capsules.
Posted April 21, 2014
If the users greenlit it then it's not all steam's fault. Yeah they should watch over greenlight at least a little bit, but how the hell did it get the votes to get greenlit?
Posted April 21, 2014
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Elmofongo: Don't forgetThe War Z, Takedown, Day One: Garry's Incident and my personal favorite Guise of the Wolf:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ask3Dn1ocIQ#t=3323

Is it me or all the broken Indie games being released on Steam are 3D FPSes. Not once have I heard of a 2D sprite indie game being broken and buggy and unfinished.
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EnforcerSunWoo: Unfortunately, it has happened before and even once here at GOG. Look up a game called Dark Matter.
What I know of Dark Matter was that the game was unfinished but the finished content itself was of good quality though I haven't played it myself so I can't really argue.

The funny thing is that games as bad as Earth: Year 2066 aren't even worth to put behind DRM.
If Steam would have been an open organization like Scourceforge for example I could understand why this would be on it (for free).
This on the other hand is just trying to ripoff as many people as quickly as they can before the word spreads and Steam is incriminating themselves with this scamming and I hope this is going to have serious repurcusions for them.
Posted April 21, 2014
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Psyringe: I watched the video, and I haven't seen this "Jimquisition" before, but is it too far fetched if I say that this guy comes across as a terrible prick of whom I'd really not care to watch more stuff?
Hehe, that's his Jimquisition persona alright :D It's a bit like what Colbert does for Colbert Report. Supposedly his "stage presence" evolved into what it's now, because trolls gave him so much shit during the early period of his online works that he simply couldn't take it any more. Arrogance was some sort of defence mechanism that later became part of his act. Or so I was told >_>
Post edited April 21, 2014 by DrRoxo
Posted April 21, 2014
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amok: Steam Early Access is for players to pre-order a game, try the alpha and beta version if they want, and have to option to give feedback to the devs on development so far if they want also (it is up to the devs what to do with this feedback) . It is far far removed from game testing.
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Johnathanamz: I know what it is. I was making a example.

I hate Steam Early Access and wished it never existed. Just put a video game up for pre-order before it gets released for sale. Problem fixed.

VALVe also needs to remove video games from Steam that are sold and are broken and not fixed and give refunds to the PC gamers who purchased those broken video games.

Call of Duty for example.

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3, Call of Duty: Black Ops II, and Call of Duty: Ghosts are broken as hell. Dedicated Servers and Rentable Dedicated Servers by the PC gamer community like in Call of Duty, Call of Duty: United Offensive, Call of Duty 2, Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, and Call of Duty: World at War is removed it is replaced by a P2P system or mix of P2P system with Dedicated Servers. Which lets hackers run freely and literately no one bans them because we don't have any control. The last Call of Duty video game I purchased is Call of Duty: Black Ops in 2010.

This video game industry is making me quit playing video games more and more each day.

Also I hate how the physical boxed versions of the PC versions of video games sold at brick and mortar retailer stores world wide have Steam as a requirement. I want to purchase 100% Digital Rights Management (DRM) free physical boxed versions of the PC versions of video games from brick and mortar retailer stores. It's why I only purchase video games from CD Projekt RED only. Soon from inXile Entertainment Wasteland 2. I want to have a shelf full of collections of video game boxes.

There a problem with what I think?
I am not sure what your rant about Steam and CoD has to with Early Access, Alpha, Betas etc, but it is clearly not for you. Personally, I like quite like them.

Also does not change that what you said was that Early Access is instead of Game Testers, which is just wrong.
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amok: Always do your research before you buy a game. It is not the outlets responsibility, it is solely your own.
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jamyskis: You don't seriously believe that do you? Any shop that you buy from, regardless of the product, is responsible for delivering what it markets at point of sale.

This claim that Valve is somehow not responsible for what it sells on its storefront is the very embodiment with everything that is wrong with PC gaming today.
Indeed, but if you want to throw your money around without bothering to find out what you are buying - you get what you deserve.
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amok: Steam Early Access is for players to pre-order a game, try the alpha and beta version if they want, and have to option to give feedback to the devs on development so far if they want also (it is up to the devs what to do with this feedback) . It is far far removed from game testing.
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DarrkPhoenix: If it was a pre-order then it people should be able to cancel their order any time before the game is actually released, just like ordinary pre-orders. If people can't cancel their orders then let's call it what it really is- unfinished games being sold with the promise that at some point they will be finished (with no consequences if this promise is not kept).
It is a different type of pre-order, a different model, as you also get a beta product also. But it is much more comparable to pre-order than "paying to game test"
Post edited April 21, 2014 by amok
Posted April 21, 2014
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Johnathanamz: I know what it is. I was making a example.

I hate Steam Early Access and wished it never existed. Just put a video game up for pre-order before it gets released for sale. Problem fixed.

VALVe also needs to remove video games from Steam that are sold and are broken and not fixed and give refunds to the PC gamers who purchased those broken video games.

Call of Duty for example.

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3, Call of Duty: Black Ops II, and Call of Duty: Ghosts are broken as hell. Dedicated Servers and Rentable Dedicated Servers by the PC gamer community like in Call of Duty, Call of Duty: United Offensive, Call of Duty 2, Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, and Call of Duty: World at War is removed it is replaced by a P2P system or mix of P2P system with Dedicated Servers. Which lets hackers run freely and literately no one bans them because we don't have any control. The last Call of Duty video game I purchased is Call of Duty: Black Ops in 2010.

This video game industry is making me quit playing video games more and more each day.

Also I hate how the physical boxed versions of the PC versions of video games sold at brick and mortar retailer stores world wide have Steam as a requirement. I want to purchase 100% Digital Rights Management (DRM) free physical boxed versions of the PC versions of video games from brick and mortar retailer stores. It's why I only purchase video games from CD Projekt RED only. Soon from inXile Entertainment Wasteland 2. I want to have a shelf full of collections of video game boxes.

There a problem with what I think?
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amok: I am not sure what your rant about Steam and CoD has to with Early Access, Alpha, Betas etc, but it is clearly not for you. Personally, I like quite like them.

Also does not change that what you said was that Early Access is instead of Game Testers, which is just wrong.
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jamyskis: You don't seriously believe that do you? Any shop that you buy from, regardless of the product, is responsible for delivering what it markets at point of sale.

This claim that Valve is somehow not responsible for what it sells on its storefront is the very embodiment with everything that is wrong with PC gaming today.
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amok: Indeed, but if you want to throw your money around without bothering to find out what you are buying - you get what you deserve.
Again I was using a example. Call of Duty was a example. Call of Duty is a AAA video game developed by Infinity Ward and Treyarch and published by Activision and it still gets to get sold on Steam and it's a broken video game on PC. VALVe just doesn't care about quality control anymore.
When you purchase a video game that's in Steam Early Access I know it's not people who test the video game for bugs. But you do test some stuff if you like that feature or not and leave feedback to the video game developer.

Take Rust for example. I seen on the forums people testing Rust for bugs only and reporting the bugs so that Garry Newman can fix them. So it is kind of like Quality Assurance (QA) in a way. But then again people report bugs in full priced retail video games as well.
Post edited April 21, 2014 by Johnathanamz
Posted April 21, 2014
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EnforcerSunWoo: Unfortunately, it has happened before and even once here at GOG. Look up a game called Dark Matter.
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Strijkbout: What I know of Dark Matter was that the game was unfinished but the finished content itself was of good quality though I haven't played it myself so I can't really argue.

The funny thing is that games as bad as Earth: Year 2066 aren't even worth to put behind DRM.
If Steam would have been an open organization like Scourceforge for example I could understand why this would be on it (for free).
This on the other hand is just trying to ripoff as many people as quickly as they can before the word spreads and Steam is incriminating themselves with this scamming and I hope this is going to have serious repurcusions for them.
Dark Matter was still unfinished and should of not been released as a full game. It was blatant false advertising, no different than Earth: Year 2066, The War Z, etc, etc.

Valve must have very lax quality control, because games like these shouldn't even see Steam Early Access releases. What makes it worse is the censorship of any negative criticism of these games by the developers.
Posted April 21, 2014
Steam's QA and Early Access seem to be the things Jim Sterling investigates recently on his personal channel. Shame he rarely mentions GOG...
As for the story - it's WarZ, Garry's Incident or Guise of the Wolf going on again... I'm afraid something we have to get used to...
Post edited April 21, 2014 by Novotnus
Posted April 21, 2014
I have to say that the abuse of moderation priveleges by devs/ pubs is the most alarming aspect of release gone wrong on Steam that Jim's video brought to light, at least for me as I was not aware of this.
Imagine making a post and come back to it only to find it stating something completely different just because some dev/ pub disagrees with your opinion - I can't even start to describe in how many ways this is wrong.

IMHO, devs/ pubs should not be able to edit and/ or delete posts and threads at will. Steam should stop being lazy and cutting corners and find a professional way to handle moderation of game specific fora.

I often feel that Steam has become a case of "Too Big To Fail", regardless of how bad some things turn out.
Posted April 21, 2014
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jamyskis: He's an arrogant prick, but he's an arrogant prickl who has a rather uncanny knack of being right much of the time, often flying in the face of common popular PC gaming views.

Jim Sterling is the guy people quote when pretty much everyone else - including TB - just goes along with the popular bandwagon view and gets it wrong.
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DrRoxo: Hehe, that's his Jimquisition persona alright :D It's a bit like what Colbert does for Colbert Report. Supposedly his "stage presence" evolved into what it's now, because trolls gave him so much shit during the early period of his online works that he simply couldn't take it any more. Arrogance was some sort of defence mechanism that later became part of his act. Or so I was told >_>
Points taken, from both of you. I should watch some of his more game-focused clips before forming an opinion about the guy. I can respect someone who speaks his mind independently. Though I have a feeling that his stage persona is pressing the wrong buttons for me - at least in the clip discussed here, he showed this smug, slick "I keep smiling while I stomp you in the mud" demeanor that I'm highly allergic against.
Posted April 21, 2014
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amok: It is a different type of pre-order, a different model, as you also get a beta product also.
Sorry, but in my book you don't get to charge for an alpha or beta product.
Posted April 21, 2014
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amok: It is a different type of pre-order, a different model, as you also get a beta product also.
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DarrkPhoenix: Sorry, but in my book you don't get to charge for an alpha or beta product.
^ This.
Posted April 21, 2014
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jamyskis: He's an arrogant prick, but he's an arrogant prickl who has a rather uncanny knack of being right much of the time, often flying in the face of common popular PC gaming views.

Jim Sterling is the guy people quote when pretty much everyone else - including TB - just goes along with the popular bandwagon view and gets it wrong.
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DrRoxo: Hehe, that's his Jimquisition persona alright :D It's a bit like what Colbert does for Colbert Report. Supposedly his "stage presence" evolved into what it's now, because trolls gave him so much shit during the early period of his online works that he simply couldn't take it any more. Arrogance was some sort of defence mechanism that later became part of his act. Or so I was told >_>
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Psyringe: Points taken, from both of you. I should watch some of his more game-focused clips before forming an opinion about the guy. I can respect someone who speaks his mind independently. Though I have a feeling that his stage persona is pressing the wrong buttons for me - at least in the clip discussed here, he showed this smug, slick "I keep smiling while I stomp you in the mud" demeanor that I'm highly allergic against.
Jim Sterling has done some great videos about some of the worst problems within the industry. He also is one of the only journalists that is looking out for consumer rights. I recommend his Free to Win video and the video on the Watch Dogs vertical slices.
Posted April 21, 2014
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amok: I am not sure what your rant about Steam and CoD has to with Early Access, Alpha, Betas etc, but it is clearly not for you. Personally, I like quite like them.

Also does not change that what you said was that Early Access is instead of Game Testers, which is just wrong.

Indeed, but if you want to throw your money around without bothering to find out what you are buying - you get what you deserve.
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Johnathanamz: Again I was using a example. Call of Duty was a example. Call of Duty is a AAA video game developed by Infinity Ward and Treyarch and published by Activision and it still gets to get sold on Steam and it's a broken video game on PC. VALVe just doesn't care about quality control anymore.
When you purchase a video game that's in Steam Early Access I know it's not people who test the video game for bugs. But you do test some stuff if you like that feature or not and leave feedback to the video game developer.

Take Rust for example. I seen on the forums people testing Rust for bugs only and reporting the bugs so that Garry Newman can fix them. So it is kind of like Quality Assurance (QA) in a way. But then again people report bugs in full priced retail video games as well.
And it is up to the players who buy in if they want to report bugs or not, and you are right - people report bugs in all games, Early Access is no exception (except there will probably be more bugs...)
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amok: It is a different type of pre-order, a different model, as you also get a beta product also.
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DarrkPhoenix: Sorry, but in my book you don't get to charge for an alpha or beta product.
And you do not get charged for it, you get charged for the full final product, and get to play the alpha/beta versions until it is completed.
Post edited April 21, 2014 by amok
Posted April 21, 2014
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Johnathanamz: Again I was using a example. Call of Duty was a example. Call of Duty is a AAA video game developed by Infinity Ward and Treyarch and published by Activision and it still gets to get sold on Steam and it's a broken video game on PC. VALVe just doesn't care about quality control anymore.
When you purchase a video game that's in Steam Early Access I know it's not people who test the video game for bugs. But you do test some stuff if you like that feature or not and leave feedback to the video game developer.

Take Rust for example. I seen on the forums people testing Rust for bugs only and reporting the bugs so that Garry Newman can fix them. So it is kind of like Quality Assurance (QA) in a way. But then again people report bugs in full priced retail video games as well.
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amok: And it is up to the players who buy in if they want to report bugs or not, and you are right - people report bugs in all games, Early Access is no exception (except there will probably be more bugs...)
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DarrkPhoenix: Sorry, but in my book you don't get to charge for an alpha or beta product.
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amok: And you do not get charged for it, you get charged for the full final product, and get to play the alpha/beta versions until it is completed.
Anyways VALVe needs to fix the problems with Steam Early Access if a video game developer does not provide a fixed video game before a year is over or something like that their video game needs to get removed from sale from Steam and everyone needs to get a full refund and that video game developer needs to get banned from selling video games on Steam again until they fix their video games.
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