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Johnathanamz: This Steam Early Access stuff VALVe introduced to Steam pisses me off because video game development companies used to pay people to test their video games until they finished developing the video game to release it for sale.
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amok: they still do. It is a tedious and boring job. That has not changed at all.
Oh really? Then what is Steam Early Access for? You pay the video game developer to add in more features etc, same crap. They should add in all the features without people paying to do it then release the video game for sale with all the content added in.

Like the good old days you know.
Well I thought it was going to be a Jim Sterling didn't like game X on Steam video, but Earth 2066? Yeah in that light I have to agree with him, there are borders which you shouldn't cross even if you are Steam.
Anyone saying you should do research before you buy, what does that mean if all negative feedback is being censored just to sucker people into making a purchase? It's a f...ing disgrace.
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amok: they still do. It is a tedious and boring job. That has not changed at all.
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Johnathanamz: Oh really? Then what is Steam Early Access for? You pay the video game developer to add in more features etc, same crap. They should add in all the features without people paying to do it then release the video game for sale with all the content added in.

Like the good old days you know.
Steam Early Access is for players to pre-order a game, try the alpha and beta version if they want, and have to option to give feedback to the devs on development so far if they want also (it is up to the devs what to do with this feedback) . It is far far removed from game testing.
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Johnathanamz: Oh really? Then what is Steam Early Access for? You pay the video game developer to add in more features etc, same crap. They should add in all the features without people paying to do it then release the video game for sale with all the content added in.

Like the good old days you know.
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amok: Steam Early Access is for players to pre-order a game, try the alpha and beta version if they want, and have to option to give feedback to the devs on development so far if they want also (it is up to the devs what to do with this feedback) . It is far far removed from game testing.
I know what it is. I was making a example.

I hate Steam Early Access and wished it never existed. Just put a video game up for pre-order before it gets released for sale. Problem fixed.

VALVe also needs to remove video games from Steam that are sold and are broken and not fixed and give refunds to the PC gamers who purchased those broken video games.

Call of Duty for example.

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3, Call of Duty: Black Ops II, and Call of Duty: Ghosts are broken as hell. Dedicated Servers and Rentable Dedicated Servers by the PC gamer community like in Call of Duty, Call of Duty: United Offensive, Call of Duty 2, Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare, and Call of Duty: World at War is removed it is replaced by a P2P system or mix of P2P system with Dedicated Servers. Which lets hackers run freely and literately no one bans them because we don't have any control. The last Call of Duty video game I purchased is Call of Duty: Black Ops in 2010.

This video game industry is making me quit playing video games more and more each day.

Also I hate how the physical boxed versions of the PC versions of video games sold at brick and mortar retailer stores world wide have Steam as a requirement. I want to purchase 100% Digital Rights Management (DRM) free physical boxed versions of the PC versions of video games from brick and mortar retailer stores. It's why I only purchase video games from CD Projekt RED only. Soon from inXile Entertainment Wasteland 2. I want to have a shelf full of collections of video game boxes.

There a problem with what I think?
Post edited April 21, 2014 by Johnathanamz
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amok: they still do. It is a tedious and boring job. That has not changed at all.
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Johnathanamz: Oh really? Then what is Steam Early Access for? You pay the video game developer to add in more features etc, same crap. They should add in all the features without people paying to do it then release the video game for sale with all the content added in.

Like the good old days you know.
I can see your point, but the way I look at it early access is good in theory, but much like Free to play and DLC it's being abused really bad by developers and just makes it look bad and Steam is letting it happen. Jim sterling makes most of his videos of him playing early access games on steam and you could probably count the good ones he played on one hand, he is not intentionally picking out the bad ones for laughs it's just that 95% of the games on early access is just plain Shit.
gameplay:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHhbvDhPU7U
Jesus,has the developer ever heard of sound balancing?my ear hurts and I think my soundcard is damaged
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Johnathanamz: Oh really? Then what is Steam Early Access for? You pay the video game developer to add in more features etc, same crap. They should add in all the features without people paying to do it then release the video game for sale with all the content added in.

Like the good old days you know.
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deshadow52: I can see your point, but the way I look at it early access is good in theory, but much like Free to play and DLC it's being abused really bad by developers and just makes it look bad and Steam is letting it happen. Jim sterling makes most of his videos of him playing early access games on steam and you could probably count the good ones he played on one hand, he is not intentionally picking out the bad ones for laughs it's just that 95% of the games on early access is just plain Shit.
VALVe and Hidden Path Entertainment are abusing this as well.

Counter-Strike: Global Offensive which is not a Free to Play (F2P) video game has a few microtransactions. You can purchase keys, name tags, and those stupid operation passes. I mean I get the operation passes you purchase them and some of that money goes to tournament prizes. But instead of doing it in the video game VALVe should just put a button on the Steam Store page that says donate x amount of money to whatever tournaments you want. I am pretty sure people will donate that way.

I don't know if you agree with me but what VALVe did to Counter-Strike: Global Offensive is stupid. Also the selling of skins is stupid. I mean I know I can put them up for sale to make money like 5 cents here 3 cents there. But I am against it it is just a stupid cash grab business model. I would rather just purchase a full video game for like $20 dollars (USD) save all those cents instead of purchasing skins from other people.
Early access is a fucking joke.
I watched the video, and I haven't seen this "Jimquisition" before, but is it too far fetched if I say that this guy comes across as a terrible prick of whom I'd really not care to watch more stuff?

He does, of course, have a point about developers censoring negative feedback though.

I don't mind crappy games appearing on Steam. Sometimes a game that 99% of people find crappy or outrageous, ends up being a game that I like. I do mind censorship of criticism though, and I believe that there should be a way of removing moderation privileges from devs who clearly abuse them.
This isn't a Steam problem. This is a stupid people problem. There will always be a way to con stupid people out of money. The only reason Steam is mentioned is because that's where the game is. This could happen on GOG also if there were more people willing to put their games here instead of "the great Steam DRM".
I didn't watch the video because who has time for that, but however people want to spend their money on Steam is up to them- if they want to play/test E Acc games, fine, whatever.

Also, yeah, do your research before throwing money at anything. One thing I'd like from Steam, though, is to filter out fucking E Acc games.
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Psyringe: I watched the video, and I haven't seen this "Jimquisition" before, but is it too far fetched if I say that this guy comes across as a terrible prick of whom I'd really not care to watch more stuff?
He's an arrogant prick, but he's an arrogant prickl who has a rather uncanny knack of being right much of the time, often flying in the face of common popular PC gaming views.

Jim Sterling is the guy people quote when pretty much everyone else - including TB - just goes along with the popular bandwagon view and gets it wrong.

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amok: Always do your research before you buy a game. It is not the outlets responsibility, it is solely your own.
You don't seriously believe that do you? Any shop that you buy from, regardless of the product, is responsible for delivering what it markets at point of sale.

This claim that Valve is somehow not responsible for what it sells on its storefront is the very embodiment with everything that is wrong with PC gaming today.
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Johnathanamz: This Steam Early Access stuff VALVe introduced to Steam pisses me off because video game development companies used to pay people to test their video games until they finished developing the video game to release it for sale.
That's not the only problem, to be honest. The Early Access tag is increasingly being used to skirt around the obligation to provide a working product, and many games have remained in a effectively perpetual Early Access state so that their developers can liberate themselves of any moral or legal obligations.

Case in point: Dejobaan's Ugly Baby, which has been a pre-release game since before Early Access even existed. I actually bought it back in 2010, and very little has been done on it to this day.
Post edited April 21, 2014 by jamyskis
Here's the original video where he played the game. Having only played one Early Access title (Starbound, which I've enjoyed...and remember Jim saying in one Jimquisition he liked it) this looks horrible. Although this one comment made me laugh:
This is not a game, it's a glorified tech demo.
Unity engine games really don't deserve the tech demo title in the least bit.
Post edited April 21, 2014 by RayRay13000
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Licurg: Let's hope steam goes bankrupt as soon as possible, and GOG takes it's place .

I mean seriously, GOG fucks up once in a while too, but never like that .
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Johnathanamz: I wish VALVe would go bankrupt or gog.com to get bigger than Steam so VALVe can change their damn policies.

Also I am so sick and tired of VALVe introducing these damn microtransactions on Steam in the market the Steam Trading Cards and the skins. I wish they made the trading cards only tradeable and not sellable.

Counter-Strike: Global Offensive is not a Free to Play (F2P) video game and is filled with microtransactions like being able to buy keys, name tags, and skins. I wish VALVe ends up losing money then changes business practices.

I wish CD Projekt RED got so rich and purchased VALVe from Gabe Newell and changed the company :D.

That's me though I am ANTI-MICROTRANSACTIONS if a video game is not Free to Play (F2P).
I hope you realize that keys,cards,skins,crates-all that shit is in no way,shape or form mandatory.If you don't care about that pretty but completely optional stuff you just sell what you get and get some money on the side to spend on games so you basically get some of the money you spend on the game back.Worthless argument is worthless.
Post edited April 21, 2014 by Mr.Caine
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amok: Steam Early Access is for players to pre-order a game, try the alpha and beta version if they want, and have to option to give feedback to the devs on development so far if they want also (it is up to the devs what to do with this feedback) . It is far far removed from game testing.
If it was a pre-order then it people should be able to cancel their order any time before the game is actually released, just like ordinary pre-orders. If people can't cancel their orders then let's call it what it really is- unfinished games being sold with the promise that at some point they will be finished (with no consequences if this promise is not kept).

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Psyringe: I believe that there should be a way of removing moderation privileges from devs who clearly abuse them.
Devs simply shouldn't have moderation privileges to begin with. There's simply no way that will ever end well. I get why Steam does this- they have a very large user-base, lots and lots of game sub-forums, and moderating all of that is hard. So they basically deputize game devs for their games' sub-forums to take a lot of the work off of the general moderators. But like I said, there's simply no way that will end well. I'd like to say that Steam should just suck it up and get the general moderators to handle everything, but then they normally do a pretty crappy job as well (with the overall community being a bit of a cesspool), so I'm not sure there is much of a solution to be had without a serious overall of how the entire Steam community is handled.