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Posted December 01, 2014
Plentiful by any definition!

Agarest: Generations of War - Collector's Edition, a fantastic kawaii tactical RPG coming with a full soundtrack, digital artbook, and more sweet, sweet bonus content, is available 50% off, DRM-free on GOG.com. With such a discount we don't see a good reason to pass on the collector's version, and get the cheaper regular edition, but if you make that call remember that you can always go for an upgrade later. The -50% discount for all three items (collectors edition, standard edition, and collector's edition upgrade) lasts until Monday, December 8, at 10:59AM GMT.

Agarest: Generations of War - Collector's Edition includes many unique features that cannot be found in any other Strategy Role Playing Game. It takes place across 5 generations of heroes, starting with your first character, Leonhardt. During each generation you will build relationships with 3 different female party members, and at the end of each generation's story arc you must choose to marry one of the girls. Unite with your chosen heroine and use the “Soul Breed” system to shape the fate of the next generation of heroes. Build your ultimate army of warriors and master Extra Skills, Special Arts and Over Kills to defeat colossal enemies! Choose the path of Darkness or Light through a truly epic story, spanning multiple generations, and battle hundreds of different creatures using an array of character abilities, in a compelling and innovative turn-based combat system.
Posted December 04, 2014
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SeduceMePlz: I'm counting two DLC not available on GOG... "DLC Bundle 1" & "DLC Bundle 2" for $4.99 each...
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DyNaer: er no ;P , expand the list ; there are 6
Ah, okay. I'm not used to Steam. ;)

Still, I'd prefer the decision be left to the customer. Anything else sets a precedent whereby DLC such as skin packs might be denied in the future on the basis of not being 'substantial'.

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Niggles: I cant believe people actually want cheats just to have the options available....
What people value is subjective. I agree that these DLC (for Agarest) are rather lame. But I don't want GOG deciding which DLC are worthwhile on my behalf because I might not always agree with GOG's evaluation.
Post edited December 04, 2014 by SeduceMePlz
Posted December 04, 2014
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SeduceMePlz: What people value is subjective. I agree that these DLC (for Agarest) are rather lame. But I don't want GOG deciding which DLC are worthwhile on my behalf because I might not always agree with GOG's evaluation.
Once you open the pandora's box to such crappy dlc , for all games which have such dlc , GOG won't have no reason to not release those DLC.

-> and many customers will cry about this.

Left to gog either to refuse totaly a game because of this or just put the game with the game and extra content which are real content.

i respect other's opinions, but i don't want GOG with such DLC. -> just my opinion. Sure customers could have the option to not opt to those kind of DLC.

in other hand , yes GOG took the decision for its customers, but in the long run , i think it's the best move.
Post edited December 04, 2014 by DyNaer
Posted December 04, 2014
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DyNaer: er no ;P , expand the list ; there are 6
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SeduceMePlz: Ah, okay. I'm not used to Steam. ;)

Still, I'd prefer the decision be left to the customer. Anything else sets a precedent whereby DLC such as skin packs might be denied in the future on the basis of not being 'substantial'.

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Niggles: I cant believe people actually want cheats just to have the options available....
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SeduceMePlz: What people value is subjective. I agree that these DLC (for Agarest) are rather lame. But I don't want GOG deciding which DLC are worthwhile on my behalf because I might not always agree with GOG's evaluation.
I personally would wish DLC didn't exist at all and/or GOG wouldn't sell it at all.
Since we're way past that point I applaude GOG for at least not offering every crappy little DLC.

P.S. I think Skin packs should have always and only been a free addition for paid customers, the prices charged for these nowadays are sick.
Posted December 04, 2014
Oh yes, other people deciding whether or not you can have something is part of the DRM-free creed. Frankly, the curators and people supporting them are infringing on my ability to choose content. I hate grinding and love having power, which is what the DLC addresses. Don't like the DLC? Don't buy it.
Post edited December 04, 2014 by Sabin_Stargem
Posted December 04, 2014
It's not really fair to accuse the developers of trying to make the games "pay to win", since quite a few !f games that don't have any DLC (Spectral Souls, Blazing Souls) are pretty much the same. >_>
Posted December 05, 2014
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Niggles: I cant believe people actually want cheats just to have the options available....
The DLC for this game seems to be a special case.


Imagine a game where the game is finished, then the devs throw a stone planet on you, "there you go Atlas, carry this as you play the game", and the DLC these devs release is basically the option to get rid of the stone globe.


In other words, based on everyone's opinion, the devs made the finalized game extra hard without the additional items from the DLC, however they also added some overpowered DLC-s into the mix, so a player has to look carefully what he/she wants to use instead of blindly equipping all the powerful gear.
Posted December 05, 2014
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Niggles: I cant believe people actually want cheats just to have the options available....
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joriandrake: The DLC for this game seems to be a special case.

Imagine a game where the game is finished, then the devs throw a stone planet on you, "there you go Atlas, carry this as you play the game", and the DLC these devs release is basically the option to get rid of the stone globe.

In other words, based on everyone's opinion, the devs made the finalized game extra hard without the additional items from the DLC, however they also added some overpowered DLC-s into the mix, so a player has to look carefully what he/she wants to use instead of blindly equipping all the powerful gear.
So...if that was the truth GoG should not offer the game at all, the tactic would be despiccable and that people would be willing to pay for to get rid of that stone makes me lose my (not even existing) faith in humanity.
Post edited December 05, 2014 by Reaper9988
Posted December 05, 2014
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joriandrake: The DLC for this game seems to be a special case.

Imagine a game where the game is finished, then the devs throw a stone planet on you, "there you go Atlas, carry this as you play the game", and the DLC these devs release is basically the option to get rid of the stone globe.

In other words, based on everyone's opinion, the devs made the finalized game extra hard without the additional items from the DLC, however they also added some overpowered DLC-s into the mix, so a player has to look carefully what he/she wants to use instead of blindly equipping all the powerful gear.
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Reaper9988: So...if that was the truth GoG should not offer the game at all, the tactic would be despiccable and that people would be willing to pay for to get rid of that stone makes me lose my (not even existing) faith in humanity.
The issue is as I assume with the mentality of marketing in Japan. You can get "uncut" and "uncensored" versions of an anime series there as example for absurdly high prices too, and often these aren't worth the money either. There are dozens of little tricks to use cut content or "additional goodies" to double income, and the console game industry is one of the major participants in this kind of thing there, Agarest sadly didn't avoid it as a PC port.

The game itself is not at fault and as I mentioned some pages ago I didn't get as far in the game to personally judge how much "grind" is required without the DLC items, but other reviewers as you can read yourself consider it extreme. Still, I like a little grinding in my games now and then, as in a certain perspective it just increases the length and life of the game.
Posted December 05, 2014
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Reaper9988: So...if that was the truth GoG should not offer the game at all, the tactic would be despiccable and that people would be willing to pay for to get rid of that stone makes me lose my (not even existing) faith in humanity.
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joriandrake: The issue is as I assume with the mentality of marketing in Japan. You can get "uncut" and "uncensored" versions of an anime series there as example for absurdly high prices too, and often these aren't worth the money either. There are dozens of little tricks to use cut content or "additional goodies" to double income, and the console game industry is one of the major participants in this kind of thing there, Agarest sadly didn't avoid it as a PC port.

The game itself is not at fault and as I mentioned some pages ago I didn't get as far in the game to personally judge how much "grind" is required without the DLC items, but other reviewers as you can read yourself consider it extreme. Still, I like a little grinding in my games now and then, as in a certain perspective it just increases the length and life of the game.
Ya like I said in an earlier post you gotta expect some grind in asian games, even if it might be extreme with this game.
Also the gaming culture is a different one over there so I would not put evil intend with the devs, although it is unfortunate to chose to sell this DLC instead of making the game more western friendly by giving it for free.

Still I can't understand that people in the west are so willing to throw money at overpriced DLC just to make a game enjoyable for them.
Sets a bad precedent (Although most AAA studios already picked up on the bad habbit anyway) and makes absolutely no sense to me.

And we know steam does no curation at all and throws whatever crap at their customers unless there is a big outcry, but despite all that's changed I still expect GoG to be better than this :P
Post edited December 05, 2014 by Reaper9988
Posted December 05, 2014
Oh this only goes for the DLC I'm still planning to pick up the game on the weekend lol.
Posted December 05, 2014
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Reaper9988: Oh this only goes for the DLC I'm still planning to pick up the game on the weekend lol.
the issue is that the "DLC crap" is actually something you are easier to play the game with, as some claim: the way it was (almost) meant to be played

Still, as far I got with the game I enjoyed it, and I barely used any of the items as I tried to experience the game first without them. The game is indeed worth a try with, or without the dlc :)
Posted December 05, 2014
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Reaper9988: Oh this only goes for the DLC I'm still planning to pick up the game on the weekend lol.
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joriandrake: the issue is that the "DLC crap" is actually something you are easier to play the game with, as some claim: the way it was (almost) meant to be played

Still, as far I got with the game I enjoyed it, and I barely used any of the items as I tried to experience the game first without them. The game is indeed worth a try with, or without the dlc :)
I understand that it makes the game easier to play with but :
If the only way I can truly enjoy a game is to pay extra for DLC wouldn't the logical conclusion be that the game just isn't for me ?
If I still buy the game and the DLC I'm sending the completely wrong message to the devs.

I personally like me some grinders sometimes lol
Post edited December 05, 2014 by Reaper9988
Posted December 05, 2014
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joriandrake: the issue is that the "DLC crap" is actually something you are easier to play the game with, as some claim: the way it was (almost) meant to be played

Still, as far I got with the game I enjoyed it, and I barely used any of the items as I tried to experience the game first without them. The game is indeed worth a try with, or without the dlc :)
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Reaper9988: I understand that it makes the game easier to play with but :
If the only way I can truly enjoy a game is to pay extra for DLC wouldn't the logical conclusion be that the game just isn't for me ?
If I still buy the game and the DLC I'm sending the completely wrong message to the devs.

I personally like me some grinders sometimes lol
At least in the playstation version, the 'dlc' wasn't really dlc, it was just cheats. You're better off without buying it
Posted December 06, 2014
Well, if he likes grinding, it sure looks that way.
Posted December 06, 2014
So any thoughts on the soundtrack? (thats the important part). How bad is the grind? (experienced F2P and MMO type grinds.. how bad is it in comparision?).
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