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Posted November 07, 2016
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TARFU: "I HATE DAYLIGHT SAVINGS TIME"

Good thing daylight savings time is over and standard time is in effect, then.
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HunchBluntley: The irony is that "standard" time is in effect for less than half the year. :P
I know, crazy, right?
Posted November 07, 2016
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MightyPinecone: Whether an EU commisioner could come up with a reason is neither here nor there, but there are reasons. Feel free to read about the arguments made by both sides here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time#Dispute_over_benefits_and_drawbacks
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timppu: That article claims that there are energy saving benefits and the opponents simply call them "inconclusive", but even the EU commission itself agrees nowadays that any energy saving benefits of daylight saving are miniscule, if even that.

That is probably why the EU commissioner didn't try to claim (anymore) that it saves energy.
Do you have a first hand source for the EU commission's findings regarding DST? As I have no idea about the circumstances of the Finnish politicians discussion with a commissioner, so I don't put much value to it beyond hearsay. Was the EU commissioner well informed on the question? Was this in the context of an official inquiry into the viability of the DST or just water cooler talk?

As for other pro-DST reasons the article also mentions a reduction in traffic fatalities that outweigh an increase in traffic accidents, more evening sun for workers leisure time, and an increase in retail revenue.

Against is pretty much covered by this thread, but it includes farming in general, increased health risks in the form of heart attacks, complexity taking its financial toll, and inconvenience of making the shift.

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timppu: The only benefit I keep hearing is indeed that some people like to get out of work "one hour earlier" in order to get one more hour of sunlight in the evening.
Which is borderline pointless at our latitudes: during winter you go to work when it's dark and you go home when it's dark, somewhere in between there is (hopefully) sunlight. And the summer evenings never really ends. Any real benefit is gained in spring and autumn.

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timppu: Also as said, I think these are two different discussions (albeit related):

- shifting time twice a year, between daylight saving time and normal time.

- in which time zone each country decides to live (e.g. I recall when Russia abolished daylight saving time shifting, at first they had daylight saving (summer time) all the time, but later changed back to normal time (for the whole year).
I don't have much to say about time zones: neighbouring countries may gain from having the same time zone, yet at some point the line has to be drawn in order for the clock to correspond to roughly the same time of the day (i.e. for noon to be roughly twelve o'clock).

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timppu: I've mentioned it before but the time shifting is a true pain in the ass for me when trying to agree on recurring international meetings with e.g. Indians (who never shift time) or Americans (who shift it on a different date than EU, as this thread demonstrates). Twice a year always the same problem (actually, four times with the Americans because they shift time on a different date):

"Sorry we can't participate in that weekly meeting anymore because now it overlaps with another meeting here. Could you move it by one hour?"

"Sorry I can't because then it would overlap with another recurring meeting I have at that time."

Maybe this wasn't much of a problem back in the 1800s or early 1900s when everything was more local, but now we live in a global world.
This relates to the complexity I briefly mentioned above and it pretty much explained why the EU has standardised the DST: it's good for intra-EU business. Thus, one could surmise, it would also not be particularly good for either Finland or Germany (mentioned by another user) to go about changing it alone, as there's a lot of intra-EU trade going on.

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I believe I may come across as a frothing-at-the-mouth DST defender, but I'm actually undecided, and want my opinion–once formed–to be well founded.
Post edited November 07, 2016 by MightyPinecone
Posted November 07, 2016
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SamMagel: I get an extra hour of sleep.

I like daylight savings time.
Same. I just wish it happened on a weekday. I always get a ton of sleep on the weekends anyways.
Posted November 07, 2016
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HunchBluntley: The irony is that "standard" time is in effect for less than half the year. :P
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TARFU: I know, crazy, right?
You are!
Posted November 07, 2016
First time I heard about daylight savings was when I was kid and was messing with someone's cell phone.
Posted November 07, 2016
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Posted November 07, 2016
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Sniskerbobberton: She sounds exactly like my Indy
My Jake wants to mount his Annie and your Indy.
Posted November 08, 2016
I love it. It's past 8pm here and the sun is just now setting. By the peak of summer it should be setting past 9:30pm.
Posted November 08, 2016
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DeMignon: ...Do we have a wishlist entry for getting rid of it? ;-P
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tinyE: https://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/get_rid_of_daylight_saving_time
Awesome, VOTED!
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