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Shadowstalker16: Damn, sorry to hear that. I didn't even know they had discussions there. Have you tried talking to her about the likely false information she came across there?
You know what happens if you bring new perspectives into echo-chambers, don't you?
Yeah, I tried a loooong time ago when all this started, but I got ignored from there on of course.
I can still remember how she said that she is tired of being a loner and wants to be part of this culture shortly before she had her first ONS and started with all this sexist bullshit and fashion stuff (including pro-anorexia).
This "pinterest/themarysue/tumblr"-circle has quite a lot of people that were great once but forced themselves to become unemotional sheep in a herd because they couldn't stand being lonely so often. I got to know several of those sad cases.
Post edited March 20, 2016 by Klumpen0815
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Shadowstalker16: Damn, sorry to hear that. I didn't even know they had discussions there. Have you tried talking to her about the likely false information she came across there?
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Klumpen0815: You know what happens if you bring new perspectives into echo-chambers, don't you?
Yeah, I tried a loooong time ago when all this started, but it I got ignored from there on of course.
Maybe you only saw it after it took root so to say. None of her friends intervened?
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Klumpen0815: You know what happens if you bring new perspectives into echo-chambers, don't you?
Yeah, I tried a loooong time ago when all this started, but I got ignored from there on of course.
I can still remember how she said that she is tired of being a loner and wants to be part of this culture shortly before she had her first ONS and started with all this sexist bullshit and fashion stuff (including pro-anorexia).
This "pinterest/themarysue/tumblr"-circle has quite a lot of people that were great once but forced themselves to become unemotional sheep in a herd because they couldn't stand being lonely so often. I got to know several of those sad cases.
That just seems predatory. Pro anorexia fashion on TMS? That doesn't exist (although you can probably find the exact opposite) there so she probably picked that up from somewhere else. The sexist stuff is there AFAIK.

Seems they get in when they feel alone and they accept them because of their ''weakness'' and turn them into ideological zealots.
Post edited March 20, 2016 by Shadowstalker16
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Shadowstalker16: Pro anorexia fashion on TMS? That doesn't exist (although you can probably find the exact opposite) there so she probably picked that up from somewhere else. The sexist stuff is there AFAIK.

Seems they get in when they feel alone and they accept them because of their ''weakness'' and turn them into ideological zealots.
It doesn't exist on TMS but on other places where those people go (see pinterest, tumblr, etc...). It's about becoming part of a hive in order to feel less insecure and insecure girls often end up in some kind of pro-ana mindset or did at some point (sometimes ending up in exactly the opposite). Of course this creates a bloody lot of hypocrisy. Those aren't bad people per se but mostly ones with a troubled family background that never got processed properly, creating the worst kind of zealots.

Pinterest took action against the big pro-ana crap a while ago:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/hillaryreinsberg/the-disturbing-pro-ana-boards-that-pinterest-ban#.exqnDPBqV
Post edited March 20, 2016 by Klumpen0815
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Shadowstalker16: Pro anorexia fashion on TMS? That doesn't exist (although you can probably find the exact opposite) there so she probably picked that up from somewhere else. The sexist stuff is there AFAIK.

Seems they get in when they feel alone and they accept them because of their ''weakness'' and turn them into ideological zealots.
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Klumpen0815: It doesn't exist on TMS but on other places where those people go (see pinterest, tumblr, etc...). It's about becoming part of a hive in order to feel less insecure and insecure girls often end up in some kind of pro-ana mindset or did at some point (sometimes ending up in exactly the opposite). Of course this creates a bloody lot of hypocrisy. Those aren't bad people per se but mostly ones with a troubled family background that never got processed properly, creating the worst kind of zealots.

Pinterest took action against the big pro-ana crap a while ago:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/hillaryreinsberg/the-disturbing-pro-ana-boards-that-pinterest-ban#.exqnDPBqV
Much of the stuff seems OK TBH, and you can leave it to buzzfeed to make it a stroy but what you said about the mental aspect is the most relevant, IMO. They're (ie people with anorexic tendencies) are very likely to suffer from self esteem issues, and they are very unlikely to speak up in fear of losing their ''cred''. Yes, good parenting can go really far. IMO its makes no sense to cry ''think of the children!'' when you something you don't like in media when you're leaving your kids to be babysat by the internet and social media.
Also, South Korea seems to be taking blind steps against the harm caused by videogames : http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2016/03/how-south-koreas-government-is-destroying-the-korean-gaming-industry/

Piece of mind from a SK anon : http://i.imgur.com/MGe4wJY.jpg

This is why you don't play whack with the banhammer without proof folks. The government literally views games as equally harmful as alcohol and drugs, and enough so to impose mandatory ID for PC cafes and fingerprint scanners used bars.
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Shadowstalker16: Also, South Korea seems to be taking blind steps against the harm caused by videogames : http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2016/03/how-south-koreas-government-is-destroying-the-korean-gaming-industry/

Piece of mind from a SK anon : http://i.imgur.com/MGe4wJY.jpg

This is why you don't play whack with the banhammer without proof folks. The government literally views games as equally harmful as alcohol and drugs, and enough so to impose mandatory ID for PC cafes and fingerprint scanners used bars.
Wtf, and I thought NK was the fucked up Korea.
That's some 1984 shit.

Also, since when does Hentai = Child Porn?

It really doesn't. Some Child Porn may be hentai (See : Boku no Pico. Actually, don't. Please, please don't), but not all Hentai is child porn.
Most Hentai is pretty fucked up though.
Post edited March 20, 2016 by CthuluIsSpy
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Shadowstalker16: Also, South Korea seems to be taking blind steps against the harm caused by videogames : http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2016/03/how-south-koreas-government-is-destroying-the-korean-gaming-industry/

Piece of mind from a SK anon : http://i.imgur.com/MGe4wJY.jpg

This is why you don't play whack with the banhammer without proof folks. The government literally views games as equally harmful as alcohol and drugs, and enough so to impose mandatory ID for PC cafes and fingerprint scanners used bars.
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CthuluIsSpy: Wtf, and I thought NK was the fucked up Korea.
That's some 1984 shit.

Also, since when does Hentai = Child Porn?

It really doesn't. Some Child Porn may be hentai, but not all Hentai is child porn.
Most Hentai is pretty fucked up though.
Yup, you'd think a member of the top 5 markets for games would have less psuedoscience when it comes to game regulation. I think all porn is banned there, but putting people who saw porn on sex offenders lists and employment blacklists is just Orwellian.

Depends on what most hentai is, and I'm afraid to say we haven't seen most, but the weird shit I see on a semiregular basis makes me think its not too uncommon or unaccepted for artists to draw.
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thewitcherpotion: Yes! I hope soon Patricia, Jason, Nathan, Stephen and all the other douchebags at kotaku soon have to type up their resumes.
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Shadowstalker16: They'll probably be assimilated into one of the others like Polygon or Gamasutra or ArsTechnica(or is Ars Gawker owned too?) through connections with friends.
Those other corrupt sites will bring them in of course, theyre all part of the corrupt journo circle jerk, but they had to switch ships because their previous one got destroyed.
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Shadowstalker16: They'll probably be assimilated into one of the others like Polygon or Gamasutra or ArsTechnica(or is Ars Gawker owned too?) through connections with friends.
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thewitcherpotion: Those other corrupt sites will bring them in of course, theyre all part of the corrupt journo circle jerk, but they had to switch ships because their previous one got destroyed.
Eh, those jobs are becoming out of date anyway. A few more years and Robot Mexicans will be doing all that shit.
I understand Klumpen0815's suffering. You see, when I started college I met a girl who seemed worthy of respect and affection, she was not the pretiest, but I fell in love with her. Many felt there was a connection so I rushed things a bit out of fear of losing her due to many circumstances, some of which I caused by encouraging them to take certain choices which would imply we would spend less time together (One of the few times I was not selfish and one of my worst mistakes).

After she freindzoned me things got a bit complicated, but I managed to heal the friendship with time, wisdom, friends, and the magic of webcomics and My Little Pony. Eventually, we were again quite close. But someone plantd in the past the idea that I was harassing her, which led to a period of distrust. Later things got better, but then, just like a year ago she began to frequent Tumblr and the fall into insanity began.

Before Tumblr she mentioned twice that her mother was worried she would turn out to be a lesbian and she was like "That is not going to happen, I know what I want in life." After Tumblr and a lesbo feminist classmate, she became full SJW, began to claim to be "bigender", and began to date that lesbo feminist. I was annoyed by the lack of consistency, but I tried to salvage whatever was left of the woman I once loved. Did not succeed. She is no longer my friend any more.

Another girl I had a crush on was brainwashed into believeing my interest in her, which I tried to conceal, was harassment. How? She was an avid reade of Buzzfeed.

Yep, Tumblr and Buzzfeed were the causes of my latest failures in love, modern mainstream feminism in general has been the cause of manyissues with women in the latest years. But no, I am not blaming that for all my shortcommings, only many of the latest ones. My previous botched attempts at courting were in fact caused by other factors such as not understanding "sublte signals", something I hate, people should be clear, meddling "competitors" and my former lack of self respect.

Now, regarding pornographic anime and manga, I would not dare to equate lolicon or shotacon, even the most extreme and unsavory such as Boku No Pico, with child pornography. I honestly like lolicon, but I know the big difference between ink and pixels, and a real fleshy human which is only attractive once puberty hits.
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TStael: Please. I never was "sensitive" to Candy Crush as something "casual." This will never be my gaming immersion, but I imagine it is something as true for those whom love it..

I do not, as such, wish to put you unto spot. But since I love high fantasy RPG, I can understand love of other gaming. I will not seek to categorize it, to make "some" and "others."
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YaTEdiGo: Man, I am saying you that your words are true in my ears and reasonable, I am not being ironic.
I admit I cannot read you, be you ironic or not - because I have no Japanese friends thus far. My other best gal-pal is Taiwanese, and she grabbed me a Hibiki whisky by Santori for a gift back home. It's pretty lovely.

And the year before, she landed with her dad to Tokyo airport during the snow-storm, and ever remembers the taxi driver that skidded and slowed down to get them in-town in six hours total. She was in total admiration.

She still remembers this taxi driver, and admires him. With her I go. Just enjoy your gaming YaTEdiGo. If the immersion is good, and you are kind to others - well done, really.
I don't really understand the hatred towards casual gaming either. To me it just looks elitist and like the usual arrogant old men ranting about how they were much cooler back in the day.
When I got a lot of time and want to make a kind of episodical mini-holiday, I play a nice RPG (Fallout 1/2, Planescape Torment, Gothic, Inquisitor, etc...) but when I haven't got so much time on my hands and am too tired to think after work, I'm playing casual games as well although nothing with micro-transactions or similar bs. Beats watching TV for sure since this is 100% passive and usually dumbing oneself down a lot more (with the exception of ARTE). Then of course I haven't had a TV for about 7 years now and the desire never came back.
I'm not implying that TV-fans are somehow "less worthy" than casual gamers though, whatever floats your boat.
Post edited March 21, 2016 by Klumpen0815
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YaTEdiGo: Man, I am saying you that your words are true in my ears and reasonable, I am not being ironic.
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TStael: I admit I cannot read you, be you ironic or not - because I have no Japanese friends thus far. My other best gal-pal is Taiwanese, and she grabbed me a Hibiki whisky by Santori for a gift back home. It's pretty lovely.

And the year before, she landed with her dad to Tokyo airport during the snow-storm, and ever remembers the taxi driver that skidded and slowed down to get them in-town in six hours total. She was in total admiration.

She still remembers this taxi driver, and admires him. With her I go. Just enjoy your gaming YaTEdiGo. If the immersion is good, and you are kind to others - well done, really.
Thank you for your kind words! I wasn't ironic, I found your words right.

Japan is awesome, but I do not live there but I visit it from time to time, I also remember a Japanese Taxi Driver that discounted me tons of money in a night I was lost in Chiba.


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Klumpen0815: I don't really understand the hatred towards casual gaming either. To me it just looks elitist and like the usual arrogant old men ranting about how they were much cooler back in the day.
When I got a lot of time and want to make a kind of episodical mini-holiday, I play a nice RPG (Fallout 1/2, Planescape Torment, Gothic, Inquisitor, etc...) but when I haven't got so much time on my hands and am too tired to think after work, I'm playing casual games as well although nothing with micro-transactions or similar bs. Beats watching TV for sure since this is 100% passive and usually dumbing oneself down a lot more (with the exception of ARTE). Then of course I haven't had a TV for about 7 years now and the desire never came back.
I'm not implying that TV-fans are somehow "less worthy" than casual gamers though, whatever floats your boat.
I can understand people being pissed off to see some of their favorite games "casualized" , but yeah, I cannot understand who hates Casual Gaming in general.
Post edited March 21, 2016 by YaTEdiGo
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TStael: I admit I cannot read you, be you ironic or not - because I have no Japanese friends thus far. My other best gal-pal is Taiwanese, and she grabbed me a Hibiki whisky by Santori for a gift back home. It's pretty lovely.

And the year before, she landed with her dad to Tokyo airport during the snow-storm, and ever remembers the taxi driver that skidded and slowed down to get them in-town in six hours total. She was in total admiration.

She still remembers this taxi driver, and admires him. With her I go. Just enjoy your gaming YaTEdiGo. If the immersion is good, and you are kind to others - well done, really.
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YaTEdiGo: Thank you for your kind words! I wasn't ironic, I found your words right.

Japan is awesome, but I do not live there but I visit it from time to time, I also remember a Japanese Taxi Driver that discounted me tons of money in a night I was lost in Chiba.

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Klumpen0815: I don't really understand the hatred towards casual gaming either. To me it just looks elitist and like the usual arrogant old men ranting about how they were much cooler back in the day.
When I got a lot of time and want to make a kind of episodical mini-holiday, I play a nice RPG (Fallout 1/2, Planescape Torment, Gothic, Inquisitor, etc...) but when I haven't got so much time on my hands and am too tired to think after work, I'm playing casual games as well although nothing with micro-transactions or similar bs. Beats watching TV for sure since this is 100% passive and usually dumbing oneself down a lot more (with the exception of ARTE). Then of course I haven't had a TV for about 7 years now and the desire never came back.
I'm not implying that TV-fans are somehow "less worthy" than casual gamers though, whatever floats your boat.
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YaTEdiGo: I can understand people being pissed off to see some of their favorite games "casualized" , but yeah, I cannot understand who hates Casual Gaming in general.
Well, I don't hate casual gaming or those who play casual games in general. What bothers me is the stance of the corrupt gaming media on them. The fact that they believe they can make up statistics to claim that even soccer moms are gamers now just because they play candi crush while they pick little Jimmy and Clara from their sports match (Performing the incredible feat of being in two places at the same time), and that hardcore devs should catter to the casual demographic by reducing challenge or some other thing. Sorry, but in fact, soccermoms are not even interested in Dark Souls. It also bothers me when casual gamers try to get into hardcore games (Again as exampe Drk Souls) and they fail, but in stead of trying again until thye succeed or leaving without making a big deal of not being good at a game know for being hell on earth, they complain about the difficulty and say it is unfair. I know most casual gamers don't do that, but those who do are annoying and mke a lot of noise which leds to corrupt journos to claim their views are validated.
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LeonardoCornejo: Another girl I had a crush on was brainwashed into believeing my interest in her, which I tried to conceal, was harassment. How? She was an avid reade of Buzzfeed.
I was just reading an article on one of those SJW sites a couple of days ago. It wasn't really about SJWism, it was about some stupid celebrity topic. But they sorta casually threw a line in there about how any time you flirt with a stranger, you're guilty of sexual harassment because you're "imposing on their time and space without permission" or something like that.

It wasn't "if you keep flirting despite being told that the party is not interested," it wasn't, "if you flirt with a stranger in a place where a stranger's presence might be frightening (e.g. a dark alley at night), no. It was all flirting period.

And of course they connect sexual harassment with support of rape. Which means that if you wink at a stranger, you're basically a rapist.

I mean... come on...