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Maybe if your game was worth paying for, it wouldn't be worth refunding. Just a thought, I know it's crazy, but just think about it.
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itchy01ca01: Sorry dude. The rights of the consumers must trump the rights of the developers.
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Fenixp: Absolutely.

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itchy01ca01: You shouldn't be in it for the money.
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Fenixp: *sigh* Yes, you should be in it for the money, of course you should be in it for the money if you want to. That's such a dumb argument, money is how good art is rewarded and money is how consumers show their appreciation, money = people like your art enough to spend cash on it.

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itchy01ca01: If you really cared about making games, and making good ones, you wouldn't care about how much they are going for OR worried about refunds. This tells me you are a weak-willed individual, who can't stand behind his games.
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Fenixp: Do you have anyone depend on your income? Family, wife, girlfriend?

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jefequeso: Except for, you know, all the people that love these sorts of games. But no, they must just be wrong, right? Their opinions don't count?
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Fenixp: Don't argue with him, not worth it.
I do have people that depend on my income. I do NOT work in the entertainment industry, obviously. I know my "art" won't please anyone. And even when I do make something, i don't sell it. I give that piece away, because I know that Im not a person that could make money off of it, even if I wanted to. Making games USED to be an art form. Now it's all about money, and game quality over the years has suffered, TREMENDOUSLY.
That is an opinion. And yes, gaming is a huge business. Fortunately, im not one to be pulled into hype. The crappiest games always seem to be the most expensive. COD1231, BF43234, NHL12321?? Those are priced way above the superior witcher 3, even priced over any of the fallouts.
There are MODS better than the games that get put out these days, and THEY don't make ANY money.
Why are we expecting games like these to get money?
Yes, I understand the cost of making games,
and yes, I made the argument about no money as a catalyst.
I don't actually think that game makes should make NO money, just that they shouldn't be making AS much money as they think they should.
You're making art. Most artists do NOT make much money. Only the VERY BEST 10-20, out of millions, even made a name for themselves. What does this tell us about the game industry?
What's with all of these dickheads lately?
Maybe you should consider making more substantial games that actually give users a reason to own it for more than two hours.

I have absolutely no sympathy for you, this is a genuine 'git gud' issue.
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Pauliwag: Maybe if your game was worth paying for, it wouldn't be worth refunding. Just a thought, I know it's crazy, but just think about it.
This is exactly what Im getting at. If you are afraid of a refund, then your game probably isn't that good. Stop working on it. Move on to something else. Something that people want, something that will benefit society maybe?
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Pauliwag: Maybe if your game was worth paying for, it wouldn't be worth refunding. Just a thought, I know it's crazy, but just think about it.
Hey. Stop.

Think about this: if you were a developer, and independent, and somebody refunded your work which you put many weeks, months, or even years into, would you be so quick to be sarcastic? would you laugh it off?
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pimpmonkey2382.313: What's with all of these dickheads lately?
Tired of the man taking our hard earned money?
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pimpmonkey2382.313: What's with all of these dickheads lately?
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itchy01ca01: Tired of the man taking our hard earned money?
Yeah, you have none of my sympathy either.
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Pauliwag: Maybe if your game was worth paying for, it wouldn't be worth refunding. Just a thought, I know it's crazy, but just think about it.
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LesterKnight99: Hey. Stop.

Think about this: if you were a developer, and independent, and somebody refunded your work which you put many weeks, months, or even years into, would you be so quick to be sarcastic? would you laugh it off?
I wouldn't be a developers. If anything, I have worked on mods and other games FOR FREE. I don't expect money for my effort. Hell, I volunteer my time at various venues, helping the homeless, sick kids etc. I don't expect to be paid. I don't expect anything from them. I do it because I enjoy it.
I enjoy helping people. Why can't developers be the same way?
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jefequeso: Except for, you know, all the people that love these sorts of games. But no, they must just be wrong, right? Their opinions don't count?
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Fenixp: Don't argue with him, not worth it.
Yes to that. You probably are aware of it, but you can't invest time (or anything for that matter, 'thanks' even ) on lazy feedback.


Edit : I am kind of amazed at the number of people posting for their first time here in a clueless fashion. I guess I would expect people to read and feel concerned by the thread before making their first post here, silly me.
Post edited June 08, 2015 by Potzato
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itchy01ca01: Tired of the man taking our hard earned money?
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pimpmonkey2382.313: Yeah, you have none of my sympathy either.
Really wasn't looking for any. If you expect me to pay for a game, it better be worth my time. If you're worried about a refund, you obviously have other problems.
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LesterKnight99: Hey. Stop.

Think about this: if you were a developer, and independent, and somebody refunded your work which you put many weeks, months, or even years into, would you be so quick to be sarcastic? would you laugh it off?
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itchy01ca01: I wouldn't be a developers. If anything, I have worked on mods and other games FOR FREE. I don't expect money for my effort. Hell, I volunteer my time at various venues, helping the homeless, sick kids etc. I don't expect to be paid. I don't expect anything from them. I do it because I enjoy it.
I enjoy helping people. Why can't developers be the same way?
You should probably do you job for free too. Go all out with it.
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itchy01ca01: I wouldn't be a developers. If anything, I have worked on mods and other games FOR FREE. I don't expect money for my effort. Hell, I volunteer my time at various venues, helping the homeless, sick kids etc. I don't expect to be paid. I don't expect anything from them. I do it because I enjoy it.
I enjoy helping people. Why can't developers be the same way?
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pimpmonkey2382.313: You should probably do you job for free too. Go all out with it.
I have on occasion. I make enough from other side projects to support me and the family.
All these developers moaning and complaining aren't doing something well enough.
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pimpmonkey2382.313: You should probably do you job for free too. Go all out with it.
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itchy01ca01: I have on occasion. I make enough from other side projects to support me and the family.
All these developers moaning and complaining aren't doing something well enough.
Do those side projects for free also, and go tell your employer you feel bad for actually working for money and that you shouldn't be paid for it.
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itchy01ca01: I have on occasion. I make enough from other side projects to support me and the family.
All these developers moaning and complaining aren't doing something well enough.
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pimpmonkey2382.313: Do those side projects for free also, and go tell your employer you feel bad for actually working for money and that you shouldn't be paid for it.
Again, I have on occasion :) And yet, I still survive. Poor developers. Oh poor poor developers. I weep for thee.