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Stevedog13: Same here. It sounds interesting but it could also just be a gimmick to make a bland story somewhat intriguing.
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tinyE: It's not, trust me, but it does take patience and concentration to watch, but it's by no means impossible to follow. The movie is shown in segments that go backwards in time and you just need to remind yourself every now and then "This is what just happened."

The story and the ending are actually quite brilliant, IMHO, though if you follow REALLY CLOSELY you can figure it out early on.
It's an interesting concept and I've seen it done before so I'm good with it. My biggest worry is that it ends up being another one of those "too clever for it's own good" kind of movie that people rave about because not liking it means:

A. You don't understand it
B. It's too intelligent for you
C. You should stick to watching Transformers
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tinyE: It's not, trust me, but it does take patience and concentration to watch, but it's by no means impossible to follow. The movie is shown in segments that go backwards in time and you just need to remind yourself every now and then "This is what just happened."

The story and the ending are actually quite brilliant, IMHO, though if you follow REALLY CLOSELY you can figure it out early on.
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Stevedog13: It's an interesting concept and I've seen it done before so I'm good with it. My biggest worry is that it ends up being another one of those "too clever for it's own good" kind of movie that people rave about because not liking it means:

A. You don't understand it
B. It's too intelligent for you
C. You should stick to watching Transformers
I wouldn't worry about any of those.
Shit, if I understood it, do you really think it's going to be too intelligent for you? XD
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toxicTom: I've always wanted to watch Memento... but every time I would have to the time, I'm usually too tired and choose something "easier".
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Stevedog13: Same here. It sounds interesting but it could also just be a gimmick to make a bland story somewhat intriguing. Plus I'm not 100% sure about Christopher Nolan, I've only seen two of the Batman movies and was thoughly unimpressed. Memento is the only film that looks at all appealing to me. I've heard nothing but praise about Inception, but I think the previews look utterly stupid.
I love Memento and Inception, but not so much Nolan's Batman movies. My favourite Batman movies are the 2 Tim Burton ones!
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toxicTom: I've always wanted to watch Memento... but every time I would have to the time, I'm usually too tired and choose something "easier".
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Stevedog13: Same here. It sounds interesting but it could also just be a gimmick to make a bland story somewhat intriguing. Plus I'm not 100% sure about Christopher Nolan, I've only seen two of the Batman movies and was thoughly unimpressed. Memento is the only film that looks at all appealing to me. I've heard nothing but praise about Inception, but I think the previews look utterly stupid.
+1 to you. I have seen Memento, Inception, and all 3 Batman movies. I have come to the conclusion that I am DEFINITELY not a Christopher Nolan fan.
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Stevedog13: C. You should stick to watching Transformers
I've tried to watch Transformers... and didn't understand it. It simply made no sense to me.
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Stevedog13: C. You should stick to watching Transformers
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toxicTom: I've tried to watch Transformers... and didn't understand it. It simply made no sense to me.
Robots, action, explosions, simple "comedy"; what's not to understand? I'm not saying I like that crap... (even though the cartoons were ok)
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teceem: Robots, action, explosions, simple "comedy"; what's not to understand? I'm not saying I like that crap... (even though the cartoons were ok)
I tried to understand the story... I'm sure I even found it....
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teceem: Robots, action, explosions, simple "comedy"; what's not to understand? I'm not saying I like that crap... (even though the cartoons were ok)
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toxicTom: I tried to understand the story... I'm sure I even found it....
Cynicism and sarcasm doesn't work well on a (this) forum. The story in the Transformers movies is ridiculously simple - you just have to stay awake long enough to see the end of it. ;-)
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teceem: Cynicism and sarcasm doesn't work well on a (this) forum. The story in the Transformers movies is ridiculously simple - you just have to stay awake long enough to see the end of it. ;-)
LOL, I actually mean it. I did try to watch Transformers 1+2. And it made no sense to me. It felt like zapping between several disjoint soap operas and a movie trailer show. I have to admit I was a bit drunk at the time - but not really "out". And in between I sometimes gave up and did something else (which probably didn't help either).

I mean the visual effects and all were great. It just seemed I couldn't see the dots connecting all that action.
Post edited May 05, 2018 by toxicTom
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Stevedog13: But the whole point of having a poster or a trailer is to offer the audience something to form an opinion on and ultimately judge. We don't just blindly walk into a theater, sit down and wait for some random movie to start playing. We go into a film with certain amounts of prejudice. This gets further complicated when a film is based on a book, because the film maker needs to either deliver on the preconceived notions of the books' fanbase or create something that expands on and overrides those expectations.
So you're actively arguing that marketing and preconceptions should matter more than the art itself? Seems like a strange hill to die on to me, but I know you're far from alone.
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Stevedog13: It's an interesting concept and I've seen it done before so I'm good with it. My biggest worry is that it ends up being another one of those "too clever for it's own good" kind of movie that people rave about because not liking it means:

A. You don't understand it
B. It's too intelligent for you
C. You should stick to watching Transformers
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tinyE: I wouldn't worry about any of those.
Shit, if I understood it, do you really think it's going to be too intelligent for you? XD
Hahaha! Thanks!

No, it's more about avoiding the whole

"Did you ever see this movie"

Yes, I didn't really like it

"Oh you really need to go back and watch it again but pay close attention this time. There are lots of little clues that if you don't notice then nothing makes sense. Once you realize the subtle nuances you will love it."



This isn't a recent thing either, I've had people trying to explain "clever" movies to me for nearly 3 decades.
It's easier to just say I never saw the movie and move on.
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StingingVelvet: So you're actively arguing that marketing and preconceptions should matter more than the art itself? Seems like a strange hill to die on to me, but I know you're far from alone.
That's a bit unfair. If you make a piece of art (like a movie) based on another piece of art (like a book), it's actually "part of the art" to cater to both people who do know the original, and those who don't. Because you interpret something (which is an art on it's own sometimes, and especially in this case). And at the same time you create something new.

So preconceptions are part of the game already. And not only with one art form turned into another (like book -> movie), but actually in any case. Most people always expect something, seeing a movie or play, going to an exhibition - you name it. Meeting or break with those expectations is part of the game - of art.

Every artist is "standing on the shoulders of giants". Some are more obvious about it (like Tarantino), some aren't. But the heritage-luggage is always there. You simply can't ignore it.
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Stevedog13: "Did you ever see this movie"

Yes, I didn't really like it
There's the problem. We feel bad if we don't like stuff others cherish. We try to mission when others don't like our stuff.
"You didn't like that movie?! You watched it wrong!"... Yeah, that's me too :-/
Post edited May 05, 2018 by toxicTom
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toxicTom: ...And it made no sense to me. It felt like zapping between several disjoint soap operas and a movie trailer show....
Sounds like you really did understand what it was about! :-P
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teceem: Sounds like you really did understand what it was about! :-P
No offence meant if you like these movies. It just seems they and I are incompatible. I have to admit though I've rarely felt that disconnected from what I watch.
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tinyE: I wouldn't worry about any of those.
Shit, if I understood it, do you really think it's going to be too intelligent for you? XD
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Stevedog13: Hahaha! Thanks!

No, it's more about avoiding the whole

"Did you ever see this movie"

Yes, I didn't really like it

"Oh you really need to go back and watch it again but pay close attention this time. There are lots of little clues that if you don't notice then nothing makes sense. Once you realize the subtle nuances you will love it."

This isn't a recent thing either, I've had people trying to explain "clever" movies to me for nearly 3 decades.
It's easier to just say I never saw the movie and move on.
Isn't it weird how people do this with movies? Why do they do it? It doesn't happen with foods, you know? "Have you tried the boiled goat lung?" "Yes, I didn't really like it." "Oh, you just don't understand the nuances of how the goat interacts with the nutmeg, etc., etc."


If you don't like something after trying it, people don't usually make a concerted effort to make you THINK you really DO like it. Except when it comes to movies.