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tinyE: I thought The Fly remake was a better movie (I heard they are redoing it again), as was the 1968 Ben Hur, which isn't saying much because the original was a three hour silent film. :P
Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?
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tinyE: Wait wait wait, he thought the original black and white Thing was better than the 1982 remake? :P

I thought The Fly remake was a better movie (I heard they are redoing it again), as was the 1968 Ben Hur, which isn't saying much because the original was a three hour silent film. :P
Thing, Fly and Ben-Hur are great examples. There's also some movies I love but would still like to see a remake of, because the limitations of the time really hurt them. Stuff like Conan for example.

Also sometimes even if a remake is inferior it can still bring something to the table. I quite liked the Robocop remake's drone message and more emotional core, bouncing off a new era of political issues, despite it not being overall as well made as the 80's masterpiece.
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tinyE: I thought The Fly remake was a better movie (I heard they are redoing it again), as was the 1968 Ben Hur, which isn't saying much because the original was a three hour silent film. :P
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TARFU: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?
Here, this will blow your mind. And I encourage any fan of Airplane to watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-v2BHNBVCs
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TARFU: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators?
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tinyE: Here, this will blow your mind. And I encourage any fan of Airplane to watch this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-v2BHNBVCs
That was awesome. Thanks for posting.
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StingingVelvet: There's also some movies I love but would still like to see a remake of, because the limitations of the time really hurt them. Stuff like Conan for example.
We already tried that, remember? Didn't work so good. Even the visuals were worse this time.
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Strijkbout: Superhero movies, I'll die of boredom.

Oh, and Star Wars.
I could have written that. I was kinda anxious to see the Avengers movies and such that they are now airing here on TV )probably so that people would go to cinemas to watch Avengers Infinity War or whatever), but I am totally bored to death when watching them.

Robocop (1987)... now THAT is what a superhero movie should be like! Genuine drama, thought-provoking, dark humor, good action etc. Having slo-mo action scenes where the whole Avengers group jumps towards an alien army from outer space is not my idea of good action.

For Star Wars, I kinda like the first three (oldest) movies (nice space operas with some good space shooting action), but anything beyond that just feels boring. The newest one I've seen so far is The Force Awakens, and I guess I will see Rogue One and Last Jedi at some point, but really not looking forward to it.

The main problem with SW Episodes 1-3 was that their only reason for existence was to fill gaps, kinda like the "happened so far" in the beginning of some TV-series' episodes. They were just explaining what happened before the original SW movies (episodes 4-6), with no real sense of discovery or being amazed what happens next because you pretty much know already beforehand who will survive anyway (because they will be in "later" movies), who will become a baddie, who is a baddie just pretending to be something else, etc.

Especially the episode 2, most of that movie was awkward teen romance between Anakin and Padme. Yeah yeah we get it, that's how Luke got inseminated so that in Ep2 Darth can finally utter "Luke, I am your Vader!", "Nooooooooo....".

And how could they make Yoda appear so STUPID in those movies, saying stupid things like "Careful, we always must be" or "Eat, we remember must". Yoda must have had Alzheimer's already in those movies.
Post edited May 03, 2018 by timppu
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Breja: We already tried that, remember? Didn't work so good. Even the visuals were worse this time.
Sure, I actually own that piece of crap because I collect fantasy (got it for like $5, no worries). I think a great Conan movie COULD be made today though, which is my point. Well maybe not today because we're very much in a family fun fad right now, but at some point.
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toxicTom: /me goes gathering wood for a pyre...
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Breja: Fire it up! It's two and a half hours of boring, meandering vignettes about nothing. Also, the titles is a big fat lie. This is pulp fiction. This is pulp fiction. THIS is pulp fiction. And this is two idiots talking about a cheesburger. Adventure! Excitement!
I can kind of see where you're coming from. I had seen Reservoir Dogs and really liked it. When Pulp Fiction came out I was a little disappointed. For all the people raving about it I found the movie to be just okay-ish. In fact it seems like the more movies Tarantino makes the less I like his work. I quit watching his movies after Inglorious Bastards, which ironically is the one Tarantino film that my wife genuinely liked.
I love Pulp Fiction but I do agree it's far from his best work and overrated. Jackie Brown is my favorite Tarantino movie, easily.
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Matewis: True, but what I'd find especially interesting is the author's take on a film adaption of his/her book, specifically in terms of what he/she had in mind visually. Which is one thing that makes Blade Runner very special : Philip K Dick unfortunately didn't live to see the film itself, but I read that he saw pre-production designs/reels of some sort and commented something along the lines of it being very close to how he imagined the world.

I really liked Thorin's casting in The Hobbit, but seriously, Brian Blessed? He would've absolutely slayed in that role!
As for the second and third film, I also think highly of the casting : Smaug, Beorn and Bard were all done very well (though the bear's design felt wrong in places - hindquarters specifically). I'd say my biggest disappointment though was the incredibly protracted final battle, which isn't surprising given how little of the book remained by the end of the second film. The battle started off very well though, and I actually got chills when the elves decided to fight with the dwarves, but most everything after that is just too drawn out and painfully boring. Especially that Legolas fight :\
I was hoping for a relatively short and incredibly intense fight to perhaps even rival the battle at Helm's deep. And it should've prominently featured Beorn. Basically I wanted something like this:
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Breja: Smaug was well cast, but I hate that they made him with two legs and leg-wings instead of four legs + wings. Beorn also looks a bit weird, they gave his face a weird uncanny valley look.

Really, the problems with the latter two movies are numerous - everything with Gandalf in Dol Guldur, and with Legolas, Tauriel and the whole love triangle stuff is totally out of place, the tonal shift to a grand epic instead of a smaller adventure is just wrong, Bilbo basically bacomes a supporting character, and the evolution of his role in the team is glossed over. Thranduil is needlessly made into a almost villaionous asshole. The "humor" with Laketown Master's sidekick is just cringeworthy. And the final battle is a just a mess of over the top CGI.

That said, it's not irredeemable. I actually re-edited the second and third movie just for myself, with all of the not-in-the-book stuff removed, and some of the extended edition stuff put in (like the dwarves coming out in pairs to introduce themselves to Beorn). I ended up with two 2 hour movies I actually quite enjoyed.
I enjoyed the Dol Guldur bit personally, but I agree with all the rest. Perhaps except for it becoming an epic at some point. After all, the story culminates in the clashing of 5 armies just after the total destruction of laketown and the slaying of Smaug. Still, I don't think the idea should've been to try and rival Lord of the Rings at any point, which may have been what they were going for.

To add to the problems you listed : I think the Mirkwood could've been done better as well. Only because in the book I believe they were stuck in there for weeks, and slowly lost their sanity. But in the film it comes across as just a short romp through the forest.
I couldn't care less how well it matches the book. The goal of the Hobbit films was obviously just to be Lord of the Rings prequels, and I judge them on that basis. However I still find them lacking due to too much CGI and tone issues. I still enjoy them though.
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Matewis: I enjoyed the Dol Guldur bit personally, but I agree with all the rest. Perhaps except for it becoming an epic at some point. After all, the story culminates in the clashing of 5 armies just after the total destruction of laketown and the slaying of Smaug. Still, I don't think the idea should've been to try and rival Lord of the Rings at any point, which may have been what they were going for.

To add to the problems you listed : I think the Mirkwood could've been done better as well. Only because in the book I believe they were stuck in there for weeks, and slowly lost their sanity. But in the film it comes across as just a short romp through the forest.
Keep in mind, I'm a huge fan of Tolkien. I've read all the Middle-Earth books multiple times, and I've read all his other stuff - Fall of Arthur, Story of Kullervo, Legend of Sigurd and Gudrun, his translation of Beowulf etc. And I've read many of the things that served as inspiration or basis for his work, both the various mythologies that were the basis for his larger legendarium and LotR and Silmarillion and the kids books that served as inspiration for The Hobbit. I really dug into the "why" and "what" of it all, so for me major changes like the radical departure in style in the final film is a major issue. Even more so as it's coupled with a lot of over the top CG that fits neither style. I mean, there's freaking sandworms of Dune there! Dain is CG for some reason and rides a battle pig! Legolas is... you know, I don't even wanna talk about Legolas and his boots of anti-gravity.

The Mirkwood issue though is actually somewhat improved in the extended edition. It's still not exactly like the book, but they do spend more time there, get properly lost, even make the crossing through the enchanted stream.
Post edited May 03, 2018 by Breja
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Breja: ... I mean, there's freaking sandworms of Dune there! ...
Yeah that was a major wtf moment :P And I'm glad to hear that the extended edition improves the Mirkwood part of the journey. I kind of want to see the extended edition now just on account of that.

By the way, I take it that you are a fan of the original Peter Jackson trilogy? Not sure if you're a rts fan, but have you ever tried LotR : The Battle for Middle Earth? I've always thought it did a tremendous job of capturing the spirit of the film.
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Breja: ... I mean, there's freaking sandworms of Dune there! ...
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Matewis: Yeah that was a major wtf moment :P And I'm glad to hear that the extended edition improves the Mirkwood part of the journey. I kind of want to see the extended edition now just on account of that.

By the way, I take it that you are a fan of the original Peter Jackson trilogy? Not sure if you're a rts fan, but have you ever tried LotR : The Battle for Middle Earth? I've always thought it did a tremendous job of capturing the spirit of the film.
Oh yes, despite some issues, mostly with The Two Towers, I'm a big fan of the LotR movies. And I liked The Battle for Middle Earth a lot. It was a bit on the easy side (though not being very good at RTS games that's not a bad thing for me), but it was a great breath of fresh air for the genre which seemed pretty much frozen with the usual Blizzard template. And compared to most movie-licensed games it was almost a materpiece.
Post edited May 03, 2018 by Breja
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Matewis: Yeah that was a major wtf moment :P And I'm glad to hear that the extended edition improves the Mirkwood part of the journey. I kind of want to see the extended edition now just on account of that.

By the way, I take it that you are a fan of the original Peter Jackson trilogy? Not sure if you're a rts fan, but have you ever tried LotR : The Battle for Middle Earth? I've always thought it did a tremendous job of capturing the spirit of the film.
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Breja: Oh yes, despite some issues, mostly with The Two Towers, I'm a big fan of the LotR movies. And I liked The Battle for Middle Earth a lot. It was a bit on the easy side (though not being very good at RTS games that's not a bad thing for me), but it was a great breath of fresh air for the genre which seemed pretty much frozen with the usual Blizzard template. And compared to most movie-licensed games it was almost a materpiece.
I'd be inclined to say it is a masterpiece, especially compared to the other movie-licensed games, even if like you say it's a bit on the easy side. Charging into orcs with Rohirrim cavalry never got old :D Man, it's one game I'd kill to have remastered. At least I still have the 2nd game to look forward to, which I somehow managed to miss. Though I think that is more of a traditional rts.