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ZFR: As a wise man said

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Bookwyrm627: I see what I see. If I'm wrong, then oops.
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ZFR:
Fair enough.
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PookaMustard:
@Pooka
Please advise on a Countdown. It says 8 hours left but it seems OP was not updated since Phase 3, then the next Phase started 1 day earlier than planned. How much time left exactly?

@All
I'm Town Vanilla.

@ZFR
I think I get it why you suspected Lift and didn't believe his Neutral claim. You are the only Town proof player, I expected you to claim the last. But what's done is done.

@Dedo
Your claim raises a lot of questions, yet I don't see why Mafia would claim what you did. It doesn't make much sense to me. I'm going to discuss it further a bit later.

I can't post right now, should be available in a few hours.
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Cadaver747: @ZFR
I expected you to claim the last. But what's done is done.
I should have kept my mouth shut about flub and about the fact I have a PR and just let everyone claim in whatever order. I dropped the ball there. But as you said, what's done is done.

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Cadaver747: @Dedo
Your claim raises a lot of questions, yet I don't see why Mafia would claim what you did.
I'd like to hear people's opinion on dedo's claim. Won't hurt to get an outsider's point of view.
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my name is supyreor catte: Apparently so. A bit LAMISTy there though. Are you scum and were you already aware he was the Doc?
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dedoporno: I thought he was scum and didn't even consider the possibility of him being the Doctor so it is surprising to me that he was it and that he got killed.
Mmmhmmm. Still, it reads a little like you want everyone to know how surprised you are.

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my name is supyreor catte: Hang on a minute!

We only just found out Book was the Doc. How did you know ZFR wasn't the Doc before toDay?
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dedoporno: Seriously? Is anyone going to try and think for a moment here?

I blocked ZFR on N1 and a kill didn't happen. With the information I had during the first 2 days this meant either I blocked the scum killer or I didn't block the Town Doctor.
Yeah ok, it was pretty late when I posted that. It felt like I'd caught a slip but your explanation is reasonable. To be honest, if I was an honest to goodness town roleblocker I wouldn't even necessarily expect there to be a doc.

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dedoporno: When I saw the role I automatically assumed I'm removing the player from the game for the night. Later on I remembered a Jailer does that.
Does an experienced player like Dedo really forget what a roleblocker is? So not only did you believe the town had a doctor and a roleblocker, but you believed the roleblocker was protective (i.e. a jailer)?


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I'm going to have to do the rest of the catching up later, I've got to go in a minute.
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my name is supyreor catte: Does an experienced player like Dedo really forget what a roleblocker is?
I think people are misunderstanding what I meant for which I'm probably to blame for. I didn't think I was a Jailer during the whole game. Only on D1 when I chose my target. On the next Morning I realized what I was. As a matter of fact I've been talking to Pooka about what my thoughts are and why I'm doing what I'm planning to do. That also includes the bit about the Jailer. I can post them for you if you think that would be helpful although I'm likely going to be accused of forging them so probably not worth it.

Also, let me spin your question the other way. Does an experienced player like Dedo goes for this type of claim if he doesn't need to? Goes both ways, doesn't it? If you're going to present my alleged strengths against me don't make it a double standard and consider the opposite option as well.
What the hell!!!

Did the Day start early or did I misread something??

Just got in from work so I'll get started on these pages.

Is there a summary or should I just get started??
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ZFR: Screw it. I strongly insist on mass claim, starting with catte, followed by dedo.

By the way, with Doctor gone, we probably are at parity-won't-change stage, so we can NL since the number of players are even.

However this time I'll play against my usual EV-centric game and actually lynch someone.

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Why??

What's different??


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Cadaver747: 7. Flub - I have no idea
Neither do I.

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dedoporno: Actually, if we're doing this I'd prefer Flub to go first over Catte considering he kept away from Lift's wagon which wasn't a bad wagon.
So I'm asleep during End of Day I'm scum.
I hammer the lynch. I'm scum.
I don't vote on the specific lynch. I'm scum.




...awesome
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flubbucket: I don't vote on the specific lynch.
To be perfectly honest I mostly used that as reason mostly to get you to go before me without scaring you of your potential fake-claim of doing something.

That being said it's a fact you didn't hammer D1 when you had the chance, you hammered that same person on D2 while another person got permission to use one extra day and you didn't take part in good-looking wagon that ended up not scum. It doesn't automatically mean you're scum but someone is and the list of people which might be has grown thin.
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ZFR: I got some intel this Night that tells me flub is very likely Town.
Go on.

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ZFR: And if it turns out to be my crazy theory trio of dogmaus, Leoric and Mangadaver I'll by the lottery ticket factory.
That would be legendary!


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ZFR: if dedo flips Blocker he's practically Town confirmed.
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dedoporno: If dedo flips Town Blocker I'd like you to publicly say "I thought I was Columbo and I'm just a fucking dumbass."
Literally choking on some expensive bourbon...fucking dumbass! XD



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ZFR: Let others make up their own minds whether what you did is consistent with Town Blocker.
Town Roleblocker??

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ZFR: * Unwillingness to come out D1.
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dedoporno: Why would I do that exactly? I don't know if I'm responsible for blocking the kill. If I come out and point a finger at you there is a risk I flush Town!ZFR out and a Town!Doctor also comes out to say they might have been the one who did it and you might be clear. Your logic here makes no sense to me.
Perhaps it's a difference of opinion regarding how a player plays a specific role.

I understand how every single scrap of information in this game is valuable because it dies with me. Therefore in this specific instance I would be more likely to spew a fact if I knew one. I would then depend on the kindness of the doctor or whatever to protect if possible. If not, the information is out there to work with.

I also understand a player would want to get as much information as possible. Greedy, but I understand.
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Cadaver747: @ZFR
I expected you to claim the last. But what's done is done.
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ZFR: I should have kept my mouth shut about flub and about the fact I have a PR and just let everyone claim in whatever order. I dropped the ball there. But as you said, what's done is done.

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Cadaver747: @Dedo
Your claim raises a lot of questions, yet I don't see why Mafia would claim what you did.
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ZFR: I'd like to hear people's opinion on dedo's claim. Won't hurt to get an outsider's point of view.
Agreed. Mouth shut is better.

Regarding dedoporno....will Vote.
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dedoporno: That being said it's a fact you didn't hammer D1 when you had the chance,
You know the definition of the word Fact.

This statement is NOT a Fact. I've read enough for now.


Vote: dedoporno
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dedoporno: That being said it's a fact you didn't hammer D1 when you had the chance,
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flubbucket: You know the definition of the word Fact.

This statement is NOT a Fact. I've read enough for now.
You hammered at the end of D1 when you had the chance???
Define "had the chance" if you could please.

My position regarding End of Day is really old news. What I'm reading from you is you are accusing me of being scum because I didn't rush a Day One lynch.

Not town punkin'
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flubbucket: Define "had the chance" if you could please.
You were there when GH was put at L-1. You literally stated the fact yourself. And then you went away.

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flubbucket: What I'm reading from you is you are accusing me of being scum because I didn't rush a Day One lynch.
Come on, it's not just that. I've stated a bunch of times that's just one thing that fuels a PoE.
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flubbucket: Define "had the chance" if you could please.
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dedoporno: You were there when GH was put at L-1. You literally stated the fact yourself. And then you went away.
And how many hours were there until End of Day??