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Dogmaus: Let's call this a Day :)
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dedoporno: Where's the rush? Let's see what the man has to say first.

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Lifthrasil: ~ basically everybody but Dedo ~
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dedoporno: Fuck me, right?
Nah, my girlfriend wouldn't like that. ;-)
I just have no read on you. I have the same problem that you have with me. What you write just reads sensibly, no matter what faction you are.


@flubb: why I am lurking? Really? Right back at you. You seem to not even read what little I write, unless it's directed directly at you. As I wrote in the sign-up thread and the admin thread and this thread, I have very little time. Even less now, that I'm travelling and hiking. Limited internet and limited time makes for an inattentive Lifthrasil. Now what's your excuse?
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Lifthrasil: @flubb: why I am lurking? Really? Right back at you. You seem to not even read what little I write, unless it's directed directly at you. As I wrote in the sign-up thread and the admin thread and this thread, I have very little time. Even less now, that I'm travelling and hiking. Limited internet and limited time makes for an inattentive Lifthrasil. Now what's your excuse?
I read it. There's just nothing worth commenting about.

So what's my excuse for what...being falsely accused??
"Hey Wyrm, where did you go?"
"Busy day yesterday. I had a youngin' with me pretty much from the time I got up until he went to bed, then I spent some time with my wife. I'll try to get to it today."
"But you replied yesterday! Several times!"
"Yeah, because I had two minutes occasionally and checked for pings at me. I barely had time to read and reply to those. I did see bits and pieces of other posts while scrolling, but I'm pages behind at this point. You'll need to wait."
Unvote

Let's wait
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dedoporno: Ha, I didn't think that was trying to fish it out but on second reading he might have in a subtle way.
To be honest I was mostly being facetious with the original accusation. It was a playful way of saying let's stop this line of enquiry. Lift's reaction to that is more interesting in some ways.

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dedoporno: At the same time, if Lift isn't a Survivor he could have just answer the question truthfully with a "No, 'I'm not." and that wouldn't have affect us in any way as far as scum knowledge extends.
Even if Lift is a survivor he could have answered with "No, I'm not." so I'm not sure that the fact he didn't is particularly AI. It's kind of a pointless question because the answer is going to be no either way. It's not like he has a post restriction that requires him to be truthful if he answers a direct question about his alignment. Or at least we have no reason to think that.
I agree it's mildly interesting that he brushed the question off. But in the context of Lift's response to Bookwyrm it's kind of interesting.

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dedoporno: Bitch, you asked and I answered.
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JoeSapphire: Yeah! And I asked thinking "anyone who claims to have not heard of it is going to be Well Sus"

;p
So is it the answering of the question (or "making a point of saying" as you tried to paint it) or the forgetting that's sus?

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JoeSapphire: I don't really understand Lifthrasil's refusal to deny that he's a survivor. But Lifthrasil is hiking with no internet access so maybe this isn't Lift?
What you're saying is that Lift dropped his phone on a mountain and now there's a goat licking it?

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JoeSapphire: I don't underdtand Bookwyrm's insisting that Lifthrasil answer the survivor question. What were you hoping he would say? What would that achieve?

I guess I can imagine scenarios where Bookwyrm would have a trap for a Neutral... Actually no they don't make sense.
Even if Bookwyrm has some info on Lift, and is trying to give him a chance to prove his allegiance or whatever, surely it would not be the immediate priority?
Well exactly. I suppose the best you can hope for is to try and read how he denies it. In this case Lift decided not to address it at all.

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dedoporno: Could be a ruse. I have one farfetched idea. It starts with a "D" and rhymes with fistancing.

Wyrm is at L-2, I think. Consider me on that wagon for L-1.
Dfistancing? fistDancing?
23 "Stay hydrated" Votecount

Bookwyrm (3) - Dogmaus, catte, JoeSapphire
JoeSapphire (1) - Bookwyrm

Not voting: flubbucket, Lifthrasil, Cadaver, Leoric, dedoporno, ZFR
It takes 6 votes to reach majority. Bookwyrm is closest to lynch (L-3).

4 days and 3 hours left.
Post edited August 16, 2021 by PookaMustard
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PookaMustard: Bookwyrm (3) - Dogmaus, catte, JoeSapphire

It takes 6 votes to reach majority. Bookwyrm is closest to lynch (L-2).
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my name is supyreor catte: fistDancing?
I like where this is going. Please proceed.
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my name is supyreor catte: fistDancing?
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flubbucket: I like where this is going. Please proceed.
Dancfisting.
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flubbucket: I like where this is going. Please proceed.
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my name is supyreor catte: Dancfisting.
Like this??
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flubbucket: So what's my excuse for what...being falsely accused??
No. For asking a question, that was already answered. Repeatedly.


I see my refusal to claim was discussed. Bookwyrm, who is scummy, wanted to know my role. Or at least a denial or confirmation of my neutrality. Joe, who is likely town, also expressed that I should have answered. I find that a bit strange, since it's quite customary not to claim unnecessarily.

@ZFR: as the only mostly confirmed town player, what do you think. Should I answer bookwyrm's question or not?
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flubbucket: So what's my excuse for what...being falsely accused??
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Lifthrasil: No. For asking a question, that was already answered. Repeatedly.

I see my refusal to claim was discussed. Bookwyrm, who is scummy, wanted to know my role. Or at least a denial or confirmation of my neutrality. Joe, who is likely town, also expressed that I should have answered. I find that a bit strange, since it's quite customary not to claim unnecessarily.

@ZFR: as the only mostly confirmed town player, what do you think. Should I answer bookwyrm's question or not?
Wait, you actually take issue with this?

Alignment fishing is just an unusually direct way of going about the actual goal of the game which is to find those who aren't town. Asking if someone is neutral is no worse than asking if someone is scum or town. How you choose to react to the question is your business, and it's of questionable value since no one is going to say anything other than town, but there's nothing bad about asking.

Rolefishing is bad in the context of town roles. Do you consider it equally bad to ask someone if they're a godfather or a serial killer?
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Lifthrasil: @ZFR: as the only mostly confirmed town player, what do you think. Should I answer bookwyrm's question or not?
Bah, I'll let my catte answer it.


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my name is supyreor catte: Alignment fishing is just an unusually direct way of going about the actual goal of the game which is to find those who aren't town. Asking if someone is neutral is no worse than asking if someone is scum or town. How you choose to react to the question is your business, and it's of questionable value since no one is going to say anything other than town, but there's nothing bad about asking.

Rolefishing is bad in the context of town roles. Do you consider it equally bad to ask someone if they're a godfather or a serial killer?
Thank you, catte.

Pretty much. This is note role-fishing; it's alignment-fishing. Nothing bad there. If you're Town, answer: I'm Town. If you're Neutral or Mafia, you'll answer whichever you think best suits your wincon: either lie "I'm Town" or lie/tell-truth "I'm Neutral".
Or don't answer.

PS, the only reason I thought a Neutral is in this game is because I thought it increased from 3-Mafia-11-player into 3-Mafia-12-player. If that were the case, one of the easier way of balancing is to add a Neutral. I no longer now think we have a Neutral. If this changed from 2-Mafia-11-player into 3-Mafia-12-player, then a Townie was added.

I do find your defensiveness weird, but not completely out of character with Town!Lift. I'm totally not a fan of you asking me whether you should answer because I'm confirmed Town. I remember you remarking in previous games that confirmed Townies are not oracles.

Gun to my head I see WW here.
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ZFR: Gun to my head I see WW here.
What's that? World War? Wonder Woman? Weight Watchers?!
Wonderwall...