There you go again... I've been trying to figure out how this could possibly be the case, but the only thing I could think of (droids not counting towards town numbers) is actually worse for town...
Why are droids less valuable than humans?

Clearly we do ;)

I haven't really got much to say vis a vis the HijacK / RWarehall thing... you all know my opinions on HijacK, but in this case I have to agree that he hasn't actually been particularly unpleasant so I'm not sure what the issue is...
Either way we need to do something, lynching RWarehall is certainly one solution but as I'm inclined to believe his claim I can't vote for him in good conscience as I'm fairly sure he's town.
And depending on what's been said and discussed in the observer thread it may give any replacement an unfair advantage (even the fact that they've been able to bounce opinions off other players can help them spot slips or other discrepancies)

And it looks like I'm the prettiest princess again!

Now... voting, definitely a good idea. Let me fetch my dice.


Just kidding.


I think for now I have to
Vote agentcarr16

It's very convenient that his roleblock flavour matches that of the already claimed and confirmed interaction (well, confirmed as anything can be) between JMich and drealmer. I don't buy it. He also repeatedly stated his claim was planned to save him from lynch, which is somewhat admirable from town but an absolute necessity for scum.
I think he's false claimed a role and went for something that is both too useful to lynch out of hand and also not too likely to already exist in the game (like a Cop or the more common Watcher).
But he has done nothing to make me believe either claim.

PM reasons mr human.

That does seem to be one likely scenario. The other one is that HijacK lies about not using his power, while he actually used it on agent, but why not say it then? Having three roles able to block seem unlikely.

Fair enough.

Well if HijacK is telling the truth about his role then he could just have claimed to be protecting agent as a likely NK target, which would make sense. The fact he has not makes me think he either tells the truth, lies completely about his role or just lied about not using it and didn't target agent but someone else.

You've been insulting to your fellow players all game...
Not these posts prior to your timeline...

Post 563
You called Drealmer's posts nonsense and gibberish and accused him of damaging the game.

Post 572
You vowed to call Ixam an idiot.
Then accused Drealmer of having his head stuck between two rocks then more claims of gibberish.

Post 581
More abuse calling Drealmer's posts gibberish.

Post 664
You call Drealmer's play bollocks.

Post 1147
You call Ixam's posts “filled with too many terrible arguments”.

Then starting attacking me...
Post 1244
Calling my thoughts “nonsense”, claiming I “bring less than nothing to the table” and stating if I'm town, it's “terrible town play”

Post 1262
Claiming you use insight while I use “empty hollow words”.
Claiming I'm doing “nothing at all”
Saying what I say “reeks of shallowness”, claiming my arguments are “obtuse”.
Saying I haven't “brought shit to the table” and that it is “ironically hilarious”.

Post 1266
Calling me “beyond ridiculous”.

Post 1279
Say if I flip town, it's “just terrible play on your part”.

And that is where I stopped reading your abusive posts...

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Fine, I'll finish out this game just so everything doesn't get screwed up...

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Basically, here's my case against HijacK.

If you believe he is town, you then have to believe he is a Jailkeeper who for no real reason didn't use his power night one. This makes no sense, if he suspected me, then why didn't he block me? His excuse doesn't make any sense. If he is town, then he played very poorly night 1.

Compare that to the possibility he is scum. Jailkeeper could easily be a fall back for just an ordinary roleblocker. He didn't want to take credit for blocking AgentCarr since he's about as confirmed as a player can possibly be.

All in all, it makes far more sense he is scum...unless he is very confused on the value of the Jailkeeper role. Add to this, why did he even claim in the first place? It just stinks of providing cover for his actual role.

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I'm also amenable to lynching Adaliabooks. He is trying too hard to go after AgentCarr. It just reeks of scum, after blocking him, trying to convince town to do their dirty work.

-STOP ROLEPLAY-

RWarehall, I'm sorry that you feel that way, and I appreciate your contribution to Forum Mafia.

HijacK, I don't care who started what or how bad you were insulted. If a player feels the need to quit playing and drop out of the forum because of you, you're doing something wrong.

-RESUME ROLEPLAY-

I feel the need to disagree with you, JMich. A job description needs to be an explicit description of abilities and responsibilities. 'Cop' is a job description. 'Head of Computing' is not. In my opinion.

HijacK, Mr. Jailer. Was there no one that you felt was acting intruder-like yesterday? Seems to me that you held a vote when Night came. So then why didn't you use your abilities on the person that you felt was most likely to be an intruder?

Mr. Bookwyrm. Where did I say that I slipped on well-washed section of floor? Please point me to the point in the security record where I said that. I do not remember why or how I was knocked unconscious, but I was.

Adaliabooks, Sir. Front and center please. Let's have this out like two gentlemen. I won't stand for these insinuations that my tongue is as crooked as a broken hockey stick. I told the assembled company what my abilities were, and there is nothing else I can do until I get a quiet moment to run my programs.


Captain RWarehall, Sir. I stand by my opinion that you're True Blue Station Crew. So to do my duty as a member of this crew, I feel that I must confront he who has neglected to use his claimed abilities, has repeatedly maligned the character of his fellow crewmembers, and who has now categorically refused to try and do better. These are not the actions of a true member of the Station.

vote HijacK

By the way, Captain. What's your name?

Quick, tick off both sides because I don't look bad enough yet!

Assume for a moment that Hijack is indeed town jailer. I can actually understand his decision to hold his action. Remember in the Milk mafia game when Cristigale got in trouble (and eventually lynched) for jailing the wrong people? Yes, that's an oversimplification of the situation back then, but bear with me. If you aren't sure who is scum (which I believe Hijack had indicated), then jailing does take the risk of blocking someone important.

On the flip side, there are a few adjectives that I'd apply to Hijack, like "abrasive" and "over confident", but "stupid" isn't one of them (in spite of what I might say in a fit of temper). As such, I'd expect him to realize by now that jailer has two components: 1) Protecting the target, and 2) Blocking the target. While stopping a kill on a townie is probably worth stopping their night action, that's only if you actually stop the kill. The alternate way to use the role is to basically do what JMich claims to have done: pick someone scummy and block them. You might even block the kill that way. I'm really surprised Hijack seems not to have realized this, and that makes me suspicious.

As far as the Hijack vs RW fight: I don't think either side looks particularly clean. And that's as far as I want to go into that; I'm planning to try and move on.

@HijacK
Ok, please don't deny that you have a reputation for insulting people, its true. I'm not however saying that you are totally in the wrong and RW totally right. It takes two to freaking tango. If you were leaving the game I would give the same advice to you, ignore him.

@everybody Ya'll need to remember this is supposed to be a friendly game of lying and treachery. There's not any reason to call people idiots. If someone does insult you there are two possibilities:
1) they mean it in game: in which case there's no point in getting in a tizzy about it.
2) they mean it personally: in which case they are really actual idiots. Judging someone based in how they perform in a forum game is insane. You should ignore them.

Everybody needs to cool down and count to ten. I don't blame CarrionCrow for wanting to quit, what kind of game are you playing?

I'm not saying its any one person, there attitudes of all players affect the entire game.

And now I don't expect everyone to get along, I'm not an optimistic idiot. But I'm pretty sure we can avoid letting things get to a rage quit.
/rant

How'd I do yogs? Good rant, bad rant, mediocre rant…

Edit: maybe I should not stick my nose into here. I don't know, I just hate to see people get so angry over a game.

It actually makes a lot of sense to me. I may have done the same thing in his position. We had no lynch on Day 1, so there was little on which to base a jailing. Furthermore, since we didn't get a friggin' lynch (yes, I am still bitter), we need all the information that we can get on Day 1. Acting totally blind on Night 1 with a jailing ability can be quite detrimental to town in terms of information gathering. I believe this is essentially what HijacK gave as his rationale, and I see nothing horribly wrong with it given the circumstances.

Also, I am glad to see you back. However, what I said to CarrionCrow also applies to you. If the thought of playing the game fills you with loathing, for whatever reason, I would ask that you take a break from it. If you think you can still derive fun, or at least a sense of satisfaction or completion, from it, then I am all for it. :)

Well said.

Fair enough, but I don't believe you and we will have to agree to disagree. I think you have lied, probably not about your name, maybe not even your job title (as these are possibly discoverable depending on what kind of cops might exist) but about your role, alignment and night actions.

I'm also rather worried by this quote...
I'm glad you've "worked it out"...
This sure reads like a scum tell...

So what are your feelings on JMich's (claimed) actions?

Wet. I think I feel a little wet. It could merely be the shower I just took though.

EBWOP

Since people occasionally (often?) have trouble with my possibly strained metaphors and analogies, I'll restate more directly my response to adaliabooks:

I was making a tenuous reference to "when it rains, it pours". It is an interesting conjunction of claims, to be sure. I am not sure what to think as of yet (i.e. could just be the shower); I need more information. However, neither JMich nor HijacK are high on my list of suspects presently.

In the end, I'll likely still be all wet.

Given his vote has been on Drealmer all day 1, it seems consistent. Drealmer has apparently verified it and I really doubt they would both expose themselves if they are both scum.

I personally do not find Drealmer scummy, for the reason I've stated a couple times before. Drealmer was the first person to make a claim, did so rather innocently by trying to role play. I find it hard to believe the position mentioned was a lie. Because if scum, you'd only have the OP example and your own scum role to use as an example. Furthermore, Health and Safety Coordinator is pretty out there for a made up claim.

So I'm a bit torn...Role Blocker is mostly a scum role, there are reasons to believe it's a bad block especially given that Drealmer hinted at some sort of investigative role. Yet, JMich was very forthcoming with it and it's not as if Drealmer didn't say a number of controversial things...

Thanks for coming back in.

You and HijacK can take turns rage-quitting for a while - should be good for a hoot!

But seriously, thanks for coming back in. We can all get a long-term plan sorted out after this game.