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yogsloth: ...................

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flubbucket: He said dooty.
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yogsloth: So flub, what do you think of RW’s role claim?

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It's a bold strategy....
The primary role of a town jailer is to protect. It obviously has a side effect.

To choose to NOT protect another player is akin to a Doctor choosing to NOT protect a player.

Not so townie.

Vote: HijacK
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yogsloth: Krypsyn: Not being forthcoming on real reason for his vote
Heh.
Okay this is getting a bit crazy in here. My thoughts on what is happening:

Scum kill a voting townie, who stands little chance of being lynched - good move. We already had one no lynch and taking out one of the people willing to vote makes sure we stay in constant danger of that happening again.

Scum (I think) starts making outrageous role claims. My guess is that this is to further divide town. We've had two people with a role (agent and Hijack) ... not use that role, and openly say it (agent claims to have used his role, but - uh, yeah - whoops - who could have seen that coming right?).

I think they're making another play for a long drawn out day of attrition, hoping for disengagement and another no lynch.

We're either in a role madness game, in which case there are probably a lot of scum and we stand a good chance of lynching one if we can just get it together or a lot of people are lying about their roles in which case we have to get on the same page! Presumably the longer we wait, the more we subject ourselves to another Crisis Event, which will stall us even further (aside from the dangers of failing).
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Ixamyakxim: Okay this is getting a bit crazy in here. My thoughts on what is happening:

Scum kill a voting townie, who stands little chance of being lynched - good move. We already had one no lynch and taking out one of the people willing to vote makes sure we stay in constant danger of that happening again.

Scum (I think) starts making outrageous role claims. My guess is that this is to further divide town. We've had two people with a role (agent and Hijack) ... not use that role, and openly say it (agent claims to have used his role, but - uh, yeah - whoops - who could have seen that coming right?).

I think they're making another play for a long drawn out day of attrition, hoping for disengagement and another no lynch.

We're either in a role madness game, in which case there are probably a lot of scum and we stand a good chance of lynching one if we can just get it together or a lot of people are lying about their roles in which case we have to get on the same page! Presumably the longer we wait, the more we subject ourselves to another Crisis Event, which will stall us even further (aside from the dangers of failing).
Good, good.

In line what you just said, who do you think is scummy, and why? If you could link to relevant posts, please do so (or at least indicate post numbers).
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Ixamyakxim: I think they're making another play for a long drawn out day of attrition, hoping for disengagement and another no lynch.
If that happens... I think I will have exceeded my shits given for this game entirely. It would be just nonsensical, horrible play all around, and just not worth my time. Day 1 is a toss up, I can somewhat accept No Lynch derpiness then, but not on later Days.
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drealmer7: NOTHING else about any of it? 20 pages of log entries? Really? Either your heart isn't in it or you are trying to play it safe by not causing too much ruckus because you are an intruder, feeling trapped.
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Bookwyrm627: *snort* You were there the whole time, what do YOU make of HSL's play (besides having "medium issues")? I can't speak for adalia, but I was basically only reading on the surface since I didn't expect to actually be playing. You, on the other hand, should have been paying close attention.
That is just redirect+excuses. I did pay close attention, I shared all I had to share while it was happening. If I had more to share, I'd share more. You might want to go back and read the log entries closely yourself. The only reason I can think of as to why you haven't already would be that you are an intruder and that it doesn't matter to you to do so. I was asking for your perspective on the happenings, any of it, something, and, you've still got nothing and haven't even read the logs close enough to give an opinion on ANYTHING? That's very suspicious, IMO.

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RWarehall: Vitek: 1 (Crewdroog/Bookwyrm)
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Bookwyrm627: I'd like to point out that this stuck vote is probably because the voter wasn't here to change it. Crewdroog's last post was 1064 on Oct 15, while the day closed at Quad's 1322 on Oct 20. Quad asked me during Night 1 if I was ready to step in as a replacement (without specifying who I'd be replacing), and he provided the PM after I agreed.
I pointed that out already. Go back and read the logs and follow along and get all caught up, please, until then I'm not even going to listen to anything you have to say because you're just talking out of your ass if you really didn't pay much attention to yesterday or catch up on the happenings yet (and apparently not even today.)

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drealmer7: Can we hold him responsible for fact that we didn't eliminate any one on the first day? I think that is reasonable.
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yogsloth: Completely. Man lectures everybody on how bad it is to no-lynch, and then votes no-lynch. Cognitive dissonance to the extreme. He’ll reply to this and say he didn’t vote no-lynch, and every man, woman, and child knows exactly what he did.
Yeah I find it highly suspicious myself. Curious what others think too.

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JMich: So you weren't blocked last night?
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yogsloth: So you’re Town Roleblocker/Jailer, eh? And you picked drealmer, of all people? ‘Aight.
Why make the assumption I wasn't roleblocked based on what I said? Or are you just bad at being direct (oh wait, yes, you absolutely are, clearly.) More down below.
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JMich: I've given an ability, and I'm not willing to give my title atm.
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yogsloth: This is a big problem.
I agree, and don't understand the half-claim as it only makes sense to me if he is an intruder, or as someone else said, 3rd party. Maybe there is 3 parties? Crew. Intruders. Mutineers? Maybe a droid faction of somesort that is trying to take over? I'm finding that more likely now.

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yogsloth: You know, I had this really fun table-flipping hootenanny planned for the start of Day 2. I was 100% convinced we were going to see two nightkills. Daybreak let all the air out of my tires. I was all jazzed up and ready to get stupid with it. I might still do so, one nightkill and everything. There are just too many people behaving strangely all at once. I’ll get back to you.
So,

I was knocked unconscious last night. The details are still hazy, and my head hurts. I almost forgot it even happened for a minute there, the last thing I remember was getting ready to perform my nightly before-bed routine, and, then I woke up with a bruise on my head today.

Here's a theory for you all:

Maybe there were 2 ATTEMPTED kills last night. Dedoporno and myself (JMich took action on me, so it would have been him trying to kill me if this theory is correct.) Someone protected me because, actually, I breadcrumbed that I would like protecting/felt the need for it, and someone picked up on that, and protected me somehow. So, instead of getting killed, I was simply knocked unconscious, and so JMich is fishing for what abilities I may or may not have, wondering if I have some ability that protects me, or, if someone else did it. Here JMich: if you tried to kill me and were unsuccessful, it had nothing to do with me, and YOU were blocked from performing the full action.

I also think it is possible that he tried to kill me and his result came back "you role-blocked drealmer7." Because, yes, I remember now, I was also performing an investigation, on JMich! So, I have no idea if I'm hurting or helping myself with full disclosure. I was trying to play it safer, but, I feel at this point full disclosure is probably best, rather than half/partial and putting questions in people's minds (like others with their weird claims, hinted claims, etc.)

Here is my full claim, everyone:

I am Tawny Somerset, your Health and Safety Executive.

I can investigate any of the individuals who took part in the Crisis Event. So I had 4 options last night. JMich, RWarehall, mchack, and dedoporno. I went back and forth on choosing JMich and RWarehall, and ultimately decided to give a try at JMich and see what happened. I was knocked unconscious and role-blocked. (which I think still supports either of my 2 theories.) Of course it could be that he simply tried to role-block me with whatever ability he has and was successful in doing that.

Part of me wishes I would have done RWarehall to see if I had any ability to confirm his actions (maybe it would have even told me he organized the group, or not.)

I am really baffled as to why JMich thinks I'm the most likely to be an intruder, and really just think he's anti-town to some degree and trying to get me killed because I have had my suspicion meter higher on him than anyone else has had on him.

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RWarehall: To avoid confusion, should another crisis event befall us, I will be picking the team from among the following:

RWarehall
Krypsyn
AgentCarr
McHack
How can you even be sure that the next crisis event is going to need 4 people again? What makes you think there won't be a need for 2, or 5, or 6, or 8? My initial thought that the first one was going to be the most simple, getting complex and varying from there. I find it odd to assume it will be 4 again, unless you have knowledge otherwise. If you do, please share, of course!

Oh and JMich just seems wayyyy suspicious to me. Especially now knowing he KNOCKED ME UNCONSCIOUS, has been targetting me almost from the beginning because he feels threatened by me (since I let spill my role WAYYY too early.)

Until I hear some good reasoning or straightforwardness from JMich, he's been nothing but suspicious in my mind and so:

Vote JMich
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drealmer7: I was knocked unconscious last night. The details are still hazy, and my head hurts. I almost forgot it even happened for a minute there, the last thing I remember was getting ready to perform my nightly before-bed routine, and, then I woke up with a bruise on my head today.
You slipped on a well polished floor. But thank you for confirming the role block, and for verifying the flavor.
Now to wait for agentcarr16's flavor.
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drealmer7: I was knocked unconscious last night. The details are still hazy, and my head hurts. I almost forgot it even happened for a minute there, the last thing I remember was getting ready to perform my nightly before-bed routine, and, then I woke up with a bruise on my head today.
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JMich: You slipped on a well polished floor. But thank you for confirming the role block, and for verifying the flavor.
Now to wait for agentcarr16's flavor.
I'm not so sure I slipped, and if I did, it was you that pushed me and made me slip. But I feel like there were more dire actions in play. What flavor did you receive from your action result? What exactly was your action? Why did you feel the need to perform it on me when I already claimed Healthy and Safety Executive? Did you think that was an intruder role? That I was lying? You continue to lack any explanation or reasoning for any of your actions, thoughts, behaviors, anything. You've been wholly non-helpful this ENTIRE time. Non-contributory, antagonistic, hypocritical even.
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JMich: You slipped on a well polished floor.
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drealmer7: I'm not so sure I slipped, and if I did, it was you that pushed me and made me slip.
Nope. I didn't push you. I just polished the floor.

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drealmer7: What flavor did you receive from your action result?
Exceptional cleaning inside and outside your door, you slipped and knocked yourself out as you were entering your room.

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drealmer7: What exactly was your action?
Roleblocking you.

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drealmer7: Why did you feel the need to perform it on me when I already claimed Healthy and Safety Executive? Did you think that was an intruder role? That I was lying?
My action is a hindering one. I will be picking the person I find scummiest for it. And the person I find scummiest is usually the one I vote for. So see my vote reasoning for why I chose to roleblock you.

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drealmer7: You've been wholly non-helpful this ENTIRE time. Non-contributory, antagonistic, hypocritical even.
Sounds I'm doing a proper job then.

Pre-post edit: Thank you for the pic yog.
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Bookwyrm627: Good, good.

In line what you just said, who do you think is scummy, and why? If you could link to relevant posts, please do so (or at least indicate post numbers).
Your character and 'book's for reasons I've gone over again and again on Day One. I'm not going to hunt them down here because we already went over them ad nauseum to no result. I don't want a rehash of the first day, discussing the same old arguments.

I will refer you to a post I made at the end of the Day One:

http://www.gog.com/forum/general/forum_mafia_31_crisis_at_space_station_epsilon/post1316

While I don't feel all those people listed are (totally) scummy, we have a group of people who cast no or meaningless votes on a day when there was no lynch. I'd like to see them more active today.
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JMich: Sounds I'm doing a proper job then.
9.5/10. Still some room for improvement in the subtle insults department. :)
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trentonlf: Hyper's replacement is adalibooks and he comes out with a role that makes no sense in the game
May I suggest a slightly more open mind about what may and may not make sense, considering that information may not be in the public domain yet?

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adaliabooks: At worst it should be a 1 for 1 trade town for scum (which as we know is always worth it)
If the dispatcher dies, does someone else become the dispatcher? If there is no dispatcher, how do assignments work during the crisis events? Do we auto-fail all checks for each event, losing extra town members each day for massive failure?

I suspect the scum team would likely be willing to sacrifice one member if it meant extra kill(s) each Day for the rest of the game. Might be worth taking the chance even if they aren't sure that is what would happen. It's not like we have a reputation for lynching before a deadline is declared.

Also, Adalia: is your role active or passive?

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drealmer7: That is just redirect+excuses. I did pay close attention, I shared all I had to share while it was happening. If I had more to share, I'd share more. You might want to go back and read the log entries closely yourself. The only reason I can think of as to why you haven't already would be that you are an intruder and that it doesn't matter to you to do so. I was asking for your perspective on the happenings, any of it, something, and, you've still got nothing and haven't even read the logs close enough to give an opinion on ANYTHING? That's very suspicious, IMO.
Bold 1: I plan to, when I have some more time (and interest) to dedicate to it. There were a lot of posts, and a lot of long posts.

Bold 2: Let me offer another reason for your consideration -> My life schedule has not yet permitted it.

Bold 3: Liar, the post I quoted and replied to was addressed to adalia, not me. :P

Bold 4: Bold (ha!) statement with no proof. Also wrong. Notice how I've been asking some particular questions?

Bold 5: I've already started offering opinions for what I'm current on (Day 2, in case you were wondering), as I'm trying to look deeper.

You want another opinion? I think RW probably is the dispatcher, but after rereading all his posts I also have the feeling that "Something here isn't right." I don't know what it is yet, but I'm noting it as something to come back to.

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Bookwyrm627: I'd like to point out that this stuck vote <snip>
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drealmer7: I pointed that out already. Go back and read the logs and follow along and get all caught up, please, until then I'm not even going to listen to anything you have to say because you're just talking out of your ass if you really didn't pay much attention to yesterday or catch up on the happenings yet (and apparently not even today.)
I was typing up a post as I was re-reading from my last post. I noticed you commented in a similar vein, but I decided not to remove my remarks on the same topic.
You are allowed to ignore everything I say. I'd advise against it (naturally), but you are allowed to do so.

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yogsloth: This is a big problem.
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drealmer7: I agree, and don't understand the half-claim as it only makes sense to me if he is an intruder, or as someone else said, 3rd party.
He may well have a legit reason to keep his title/name to himself. I've noticed a certain trend about them.

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drealmer7: Here is my full claim, everyone:

I am Tawny Somerset, your Health and Safety Executive.

I can investigate any of the individuals who took part in the Crisis Event.
Your "full claim" is missing something: when you investigate, what sort of result are you supposed to get? Stats? Alignment? Role? Flavor? Race (Human/Alien/Droid/Other)?

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JMich: You slipped on a well polished floor.
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yogsloth:
ROFL!
@Bookwyrm my question is a moot point now. I was asking because JMich was hinting that he role blocked drealmer but drealmer was alluding that he was not so I was wondering if drealmer had no night action if he would have known about being role blocked. But drealmer has since said he was blocked so it does not matter.