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mechmouse: Really can't see them as Broke, or anything close to it.
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LootHunter: So, you can't see that each Star Wars Disney Trilogy movie had grossed less money than the previous?
You can't see why Doctor Who's viewership declined, can you?
Have you never heard how Disney lost some of its privileges in Florida for going into politics at full force?
House of Dragon never kicked Rings of Power's ass in popularity?

As I've said earlier - yes they are far from getting broke because of the sheer amount of money they have. But no matter how many resources those corporations have, those aren't infinite.
Rogue One, Female lead, Diverse cast, ranks 3rd best Grossing Star wars film

Black Panther is no 6 in the top Grossing Marvel Films
Captain Marvel is 10th

A quick look at Doctor Who Viewing Figures
Season 11 of the rebooted Franchise with Jodie as The Doctor Averaged 7.9 Million viewers, the highest is had ever been since Season 4 with Tennant (8million). Season 12 (5.4Mil) was just below Capoldi's last season (5.5 Mil)
But yeah, Lets blame the woman driver of the TARDIS

Disney is loosing Privileges in Florida is down to the Far right wing State government, with Disney still saying Gay.

HOD and TROP are both getting viewer in the 10s of millions.

Absolutely nothing you are saying has any grounding in reality

You are talking beyond Rubbish
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abdollah87: As for "go woke go broke", it's a simple cold hard fact that's been shown over and over again. Whether you agree with the ideology or not, whenever any show is woke, the quality takes a huge nosedive. Because the creators aren't concerned with making a good work of art anymore, their main priority is to make sure that it's ideologically acceptable. Netflix has cancelled numerous shows because nobody was watching it.

Resident Evil got cancelled just a month after it's debut because it simply was so bad. Not even woke people themselves watch woke shows. Chris Pratt's show on Amazon on the other hand, is a resounding success.
Show me graphs.

Just because some content creators that take inclusiveness into account are untalented doesn't mean all are. Just because you can show something exists doesn't make it a universal truism.

I could show data points pointing the opposite way. Plenty of well rated shows feature a diverse cast.
Post edited October 14, 2022 by Magnitus
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mechmouse: HOD and TROP are both getting viewer in the 10s of millions.
Yeah, about 20-30 million. Except HOD does it in the US alone, and ROP has to count all the international viewership to scrape that number. Also, Amazon revealed only numbers for the first episode, the later probably having lower count, while HBO doesn't afraid to show average viewership.

I'm not even going to explain why your analysis of Doctor Who and Star Wars is BS. You are clearly a person who can't prove anything and simply resort to fallacies and tricks to get the upper hand in the argument.
Post edited October 14, 2022 by LootHunter
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Magnitus: I could show data points pointing the opposite way. Plenty of well rated shows feature a diverse cast.
Having a diverse cast and being woke are very different in my view. I like plenty of shows with a diverse cast but hate plenty of shows that force diversity when in makes no sense to the story or change well established characters to a different race for woke points. They are generally terrible.

Stories that are creative and don't foce diversity for diversity sake but just happen to include a diverse cast generally do well. But Hollywood has no original ideas anymore so they shit all over the source material instead of coming up with something original.
Post edited October 14, 2022 by Lord Krex
I have reported this political spam!
Woke shit is:

degeneration of men
blaming white people for everything
hatred of traditional Christianity
promoting sexual perversion, especially to children
vilifying Western cultures and civilizations

attempting to destroy all of the above and replace it with socialistic nanny-state perversion, with added discrimination against white people in employment and promotion.
Post edited October 14, 2022 by Aplomado
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mechmouse: HOD and TROP are both getting viewer in the 10s of millions.
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LootHunter: Yeah, about 20-30 million. Except HOD does it in the US alone, and ROP has to count all the international viewership to scrape that number. Also, Amazon revealed only numbers for the first episode, the later probably having lower count, while HBO doesn't afraid to show average viewership.

I'm not even going to explain why your analysis of Doctor Who and Star Wars is BS. You are clearly a person who can't prove anything and simply resort to fallacies and tricks to get the upper hand in the argument.
How on earth is my Analysis of Doctor Who and Star Wars rubbish?

Jodie's first Season as The Doctor was the 2nd highest watch Season of all time. If a woke woman Doctor was the cause of viewers leaving, it would have happen in season 11.

resort to fallacies and tricks
You mean FACTS... sorry they don't support your feelings

https://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchise/fr3125251845/
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foad01: I have reported this political spam!
cheers
Post edited October 14, 2022 by mechmouse
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mechmouse: Disney is loosing Privileges in Florida is down to the Far right wing State government, with Disney still saying Gay.
If you think this about saying gay, you are well misinformed. It's about what is taught to very young children and the growing issues in our educational system, like schools transitioning young children without telling their parents. Disney got its self involved in political matters and a top executive admitted they have an agenda to include lgbtq stuff targeted at young kids. Only things kids should be learning in school is math, science, history, etc. Leave social issues to parents

The law gave disney extraordinary powers that no other company in Florida got. They should have never had that much power with or without this issue to begin with and it's good that it's being reversed.
Post edited October 14, 2022 by Lord Krex
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mechmouse: How on earth is my Analysis of Doctor Who and Star Wars rubbish?
For starters, you equate female lead and multiracial cast to wokeness. Which is BS. And (as you already demonstrated when talking about HOD and ROP) you are fine with fixing viewership numbers or discarding important context (like Rogue One not being woke garbage like Disney Trilogy).
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mechmouse: How on earth is my Analysis of Doctor Who and Star Wars rubbish?
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LootHunter: For starters, you equate female lead and multiracial cast to wokeness. Which is BS. And (as you already demonstrated when talking about HOD and ROP) you are fine with fixing viewership numbers or discarding important context (like Rogue One not being woke garbage like Disney Trilogy).
You mean the Disney trilogy that ranks 1st,2nd and 4th in highest grossing Star Wars films.

Facts, really not your strong point here are they
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LootHunter: For starters, you equate female lead and multiracial cast to wokeness. Which is BS. And (as you already demonstrated when talking about HOD and ROP) you are fine with fixing viewership numbers or discarding important context (like Rogue One not being woke garbage like Disney Trilogy).
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mechmouse: You mean the Disney trilogy that ranks 1st,2nd and 4th in highest grossing Star Wars films.

Facts, really not your strong point here are they
Tricks and fallacies are clearly your strong point.
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Lord Krex: Having a diverse cast and being woke are very different in my view. I like plenty of shows with a diverse cast but hate plenty of shows that force diversity when in makes no sense to the story or change well established characters to a different race for woke points. They are generally terrible.

Stories that are creative and don't foce diversity for diversity sake but just happen to include a diverse cast generally do well. But Hollywood has no original ideas anymore so they shit all over the source material instead of coming up with something original.
It's one thing to bastardize history to make it say what you want to say (which I think is just wrong, the pursuit of truth matters) and pretend it is historically accurate (I don't think any film-makers are doing that though, I think they all put some disclaimers advertising that they take certain liberties), but I think anything in the realm of fiction is fair game.

They take liberties all the time with the source material anyways. Having the exact same story being retold in the exact same way over and over is a snooze-fest.

Marvel has been doing what ifs to try put some life into their aging superheroes franchises for quite a while anyways. Most of it is still a snooze-fest (because it is the same old stories, not because of the changes), but I thought their spider-verse movie was well done.

Also, I don't think "The Harder They Fall" (almost all black cast in a western) was greatness, but it had some nice moments. I don't think anyone is at risk of thinking it is historically accurate. It's just another "what if" experiment of art.
Post edited October 14, 2022 by Magnitus
Doctor Who has lost me as a viewer. Actually, with that last old white dude, not with the woman. The old white dude was absolutely okay, as was the previous. But the plots just became megalomaniac nothings that meant shit to me. To tie the loss of viewership to the advent of a female protagonist is pathetic. Fuck, Season 4 practically had a great female protagonist already, a true equal to the Doctor, didn't ever take his shit, and to me that was and will always be the best duo in the neo-variant of the series.

The BBC is toeing the conservative line and as such is looking out for the interest of politicians and companies. I have no idea whatsoever where they stand financially, whether they go broke, but tying its downfall to them being too inclusive is a desperate move. Quite the contrary. The BBC is not working for the general public any longer, and the general public is not having it.

Disney is doing absolutely great. They're doing inclusive stuff definitely, but they're also pulling off several unholy One China shenannigans with their latest movies. They're also killing the movie theatre with their barrage of Star Wars and Marvel movies. It's difficult to find a movie that's not all Marvel these days. And that has nothing to do with being too inclusive or diverse, that has something to do with using a recipe that's been a vast success and made Disney a monopoly. My niece is all high on some of their shit already (and I can tell you that black playmobil dude of hers is not playing with the white playmobil dudes right now). Disney's not going broke. They're doing better than ever and they will be able to buy out even more creative enterprises. And those they can't buy out they'll lawyer out.

Amazon is doing so immensely great that their boss can finance a literal space program with the company. He's treating his workers like slaves, he's screwing with the imdb reviews and he could of course be absolutely sure that every anti-woke hate fapper would still watch The Rings of Power, thereby making it one of the greatest successes in TV history. I have no idea how good The Rings of Power is or whether "It's Tolkien", but that's because I'll get Amazon Prime again only next year when the uber mega feminist Marvellous Mrs. Maisel finally returns.

Netflix is cancelling a whole lot of series in favor of defo even more inclusive stuff that mainly addresses a teen target group. They can't risk anything, naturally, because they're being ground to dust by your uber inclusive Apple, Amazon and Disney, all of which have entirely unlimited budgets at their proposal because they're doing so damn great.
Post edited October 16, 2022 by Vainamoinen
fanboys damage controlling this is funny lol.
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.Ra: fanboys damage controlling this is funny lol.
Fanboys? I thought we all jumped off the bandwagon so the company goes broke.