Quoting http://www.gog.com/forum/general/video_games_are_evil_sexist_misogynist_and_racist/post150

@TStael Hi, actually I am a 34 years old man. Yes, let us leave aside any discussion about TW2, as I haven't played it yet.

To get it out of the way, substance over form no, I was not "unkind" to @DarkZephyr in the real purpose of my message.. But it was well beneath my hard, dry tone of words and I did jump on the "chance" to speak out all I had against the worst of the LGBT lobbies claims and acts to date, taking him / her as a representative.. Which he / she were forwarding and defending at the time, though!

The game that I've played handling the homosexual behavior with the most poignant authenticity in its causes and consequences is Analogue - A Hate Story, with a side NPC's story.. It fails by the end with an awkward "flirt" and push in that direction from the main NPC, though. I don't know of any other even trying that is worth mentioning actually, beside niche VN's and BioWare's poor "romance" options.

It is unfortunate homosexual persons don't get much recognition in video games, but as a sound reason these have a general reputation to be "(big) kids games" still to this day and age.. Also, one can't have all but there is a niche market still to their audience, and so, so many other medias in their favor already I don't believe they are left out anymore, on the contrary..

I don't mind dealing with homosexual characters or "heroes" in "mainstream" video games, though I would like it handled decently, read their personal and singular, sexual preferences remaining a somewhat private matter not deceivingly pushed on as the next best thing by lobbies commands (please be honest, aren't most of our current popular medias, Tv shows & sitcoms spoiled with this enough already..?) .. Or as the worst thing and "villains" for that matter, as you and some people have felt it by TW2's Dethmold, so it seems..

I care and empathize for one another just like the next person, however for a personal reason and as a Bible believing Christian, please understand it is my part and duty to oppose our unprecedented secular moral relativism and the sin of homosexuality being given yet another attractive light through yet another media, probably one of the few left unconquered by gay activists propagandas.. I support freedom of speech over "political correctness" in such cases, especially against vocal minority groups binding the creativity and views of others through threats of lawsuits, that should have a right to be different from theirs just as much.. The "gender neutrality" ideology applied outside from certain professional domains and household chores is grievous, as we are gendered beings for a purpose.

Read the OP article's title, "homophobia" is on par with misogyny and racism.. I stand on my ground that a sexual behavior, more so a controversial and deviant one is not comparable to gender, race which are genetic traits, the famous "inborn" element that homosexual "orientation", let alone conduct fails to meet, to justify an equal treatment of the causes, as it is a fallacy and semantic manipulation. What better illustration of this oppressive, insidious "work" of word associating, creating only ONE term to purposely, blatantly, maliciously blur any NECESSARY distinction of different realities, deserving of different treatments.. Orientation =/= practice. "Homosexuality" refers to BOTH the (often unwanted and suffered) orientation AND / OR the willful practice.. Whereas "homophilia" for orientation and "homosexuality" for practice would and does make perfect sense, not to the deceitful "gay agenda", obviously.. Same pattern for the term "homophobia" which includes BOTH the LEGITIMATE refusal of homosexuality AGAIN as BOTH an orientation AND / OR a behavior for oneself, AND / OR the discriminatory reject of the persons for BOTH their homosexual orientation AND / OR people practicing it, with presumptions of "irrational fears" and religious beliefs for causes to eliminate.. This is SERIOUS wording manipulation causing unnecessary confusion, and a sneaky attack against organized religions for their TRADITIONAL for MILLENARIES moral disapproval of the homosexual behavior!

“Gender, race and impairment all relate to what a person is, whereas homosexuality relates to what a person does.”

We are who we let ourselves become.. To debunk more claims (lies) from lobbies, no one is "born this way, gay" and even with existing genetic predispositions should there be, as humans we have FREE WILL! As responsible adults, one might become a homosexual as he / she choses to engage in same gender "romances" and / or sexual activities at some point in their lives, then eventually get addicted to it.. The orientation being there is one thing, but what a person does with their desires and fantasies is entirely on us, on them..

Edit : I am really sorry for my occasional "lecture" and "preach" when such topic appears, as I know it may offend some people.. While not my purpose to hurt, it is directly to them and for them I write. Revolutionizing their, our world views and sometimes offending them is part of defending the truth of God's Word. Please, I have to withdraw from this thread and abort our discussion now, as it is getting on my health.. I may PM you with the reason, should you ask me why.. Thank you, @TStael for your actual patience and I trust, your kind understanding.

At least I understand now a bit better from whence you come from... and I do not mind - though to be frank, while I would not claim to be Christian, I am positively perplexed by Jesus' morality and sense of sacrifice - yet it also seems rather natural for people to assume themselves amongst the Sheep as opposed to amongst the Goats:

‘For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ (Matt 25: 35-36) The least, or even the best, of our brethren...

I know I am taking a Sheep-ey attitude in stating that I find petty condemnation of others not particularly good glorification of Jesus' substance.

As per above, it would have quite some positive action outlets for sure. Mind you: in larger world people are in prison, or worse, for homosexuality - shall you visit them, and if you would, should this be an act of proper humanity, or would you be like the pharisees? A chance of reflection, more than a question, really...

I personally find best immersion with a straight female dexterity based character that is purposefully and charmingly written - and should like the same for any other fellow gamer regardless of any given preference.

I have noted the sexism, the racism, the mysogynism in gaming, it is all there in writing - and cannot say I like any of these phenomena - but thankfully there are also a lot of well written inclusive games, including pre-set male hero campaigns such as Gothic / Risen, where I certainly like my character!

Since this got bumped:

Please understand that as a Bible believing Christian, it is also your duty to oppose
- eating bacon
- not wearing hats
- modern agriculture
- anything but hippie fashion
- shaving
- drinking wine in church (wut)
- immodest dress (where is your crusade against videogame boobs, hypocrite?)
- savings accounts
- acknowledgment of fatherhood (wut)
- magic
- working on Saturday

And there is a word for your personal reason. That word is '"homophobia". You're a disgusting homophobic asshole. Shame on you.

Hello, @TStael. Thank you, I have sent you a PM, to share with you the personal reason behind my "dead-set" opposition to homosexuality.. As I trust you are mature and nuanced enough to understand it, and me..

Though, if you search for my occasional messages on that subject, you will find that not once have I assumed myself and / or "paraded" as a "Sheep" opposing and mocking the "Goats". I struggle to be and to present myself a humbled, repentant sinner among other sinners, hopefully forgiven by Grace dealing with sin and trying to remove it from my life just like anyone else is, I want to believe.. I don't write to blame others but to offer help, and try to "save" by leading to Christ's blood in accordance to (my) Christian Faith.

This phrase is from me : You can't keep hold on Jesus's open hand, shaking your fist at your brother(s) / sister(s)..

The problem I am fighting and denouncing in such threads is simply that, "the homosexual lifestyle" constitutes habitual, unrepented sin leading to DEATH.. Though being of same-sex is actually aggravating, to be fair the same is said and true about libertine sex of any kind, and for any sin, creating addictions apart from God's Will and Love, the slavery of sin!

@Starmaker

First, you show respect and civility, who are you treating that way?

Second, you are not allowed to talk about my personal reason, not knowing about it.

Third, is it my trial, or something..? Who is my Righteous Judge and Lawgiver, YOU..?!

Shame on.. Me? Actually you are the one pointing insulting accusations at me, falling in the trap of semantic manipulation from gay lobbies I have denounced in my previous message.. It is my absolute right to disapprove and oppose a behavior and practice. Also, I find NORMAL AND PROPER to "fear" what could lose and master you, one would really be careless to assume being safe from sin and temptation, and not prone to sinning equally with other people, don't you think..?

Frankly, there is few worst sin than self-righteousness, and no worst mistake than taking life and "salvation" for granted.

Just how does it make me a homophobe though, for RATIONALLY keeping away from that sin?? More so, why a "disgusting homophobic asshole"..? If I cause unfair harm and / or refuse a general service to homosexual persons for no other reason than what they do, then I will be a true homophobe and that "disgusting asshole". Yet, I don't and hopefully never will do that. Actually, it is highly unlikely anyone could even do that on any regular basis, sexuality being a private matter, unlike gender and race directly visible to the eyes, duh!

What relevance your list has at all, equating transgressive sexual behaviors to shaving and eating. Who are you fooling...

My duty as a Bible believing Christian is also to love my "enemies", and that means being and speaking true to them, not conveniently ignore what they live and do when I trust I have to take a stand and be of help. Not turning my back on them to move on with my own only a common selfish coward would do.. Actually, the opposite of love is really indifference. Not "hate", with it eventually justified as a temporarily and necessary, legitimate wrath against abuses, yet admittedly more often than not still a wrong, sick form of care.. Period.

You can't ignore Biblical terms are defining the homosexual practice as a "detestable abomination", "dogs" is an ancient word for those who practice homosexuality and by the Old Testament, Death penalty was set for both homosexual partners.. By the New Testament, female homosexuality is condemned along with the male one this time in full words and implicitely worst for women having weaker sex drives, the Death penalty as God's Righteous Verdict on culprits is evoked but removed by Grace, to warn of losing Eternal Life instead for unrepented sins of immoral sexuality as such, among others ones. Basically, you accuse God of being a "disgusting homophobic asshole" more than me here, as I certainly don't dare claiming the right to can pass such a definitive Judgment, only God has that Authority as the Author of LIFE!

Still, if I were to voice the same terms, I would be judged guilty of "homophobic speech" by our human tribunals, but still be true to God, just sharing His Word in its severity, mind you. I am not making anything up, check for yourself but I trust you already know that, unless you are too young to understand the Bible Scriptures, yet can use a keyboard to write insults.

Most impartially comprehensive link I could find to share : http://www.christianbiblereference.org/faq_homosexuality.htm

I am also trusting that you, and several other forum members I have encountered in here picking on Christianity would not open their bad mouth as much if at all against Islam, or myself if I were forwarding my Muslim Faith.. As one must know, their Allah is not the same YHWH God, legitimating physical violence to punish blasphemies like yours, and few would hesitate.. The case of homosexuality is quickly solved with the Sharia Law, from being whipped 100 times to death penalty, thrown from a high building or public lapidation for practicers like the (bad) old Hebrew times, on a global scale.. So drop it, value your actual freedom and Christianity better, I say.

I am not different with gay men in that I could certainly become one of them. Don't you know there are natural properties in semen, saliva or simple body sweat very much comparable to chemical drugs, creating addictions and that is the "slavery of sin" way. You run the risk to disobey God and you are on your own, we are warned fairly enough. And if no one is informing and warning, because treated like you people are treating me when they do so, more unaware victims will fall captive of sin and this won't be on their, on my responsibility. I am sharing the Word of God as it is written for us to keep, you can't argue and deny that I do.

People enslaved and mastered by the sin of homosexuality, this is the Righteous Judgment of God upon certain willful unbelievers given over to their dishonoring passions, their heart hardened by sin to not recognize their errors, spreading their choices as morally right to lure and fool others.. God's Judgment on that matter unless they repent, as it is written in Apostle Paul's Acts. You can indeed frame some homosexuals collateral victims of life circumstances, for getting caught in that sin, unaware of God's Word. It is written in Holy Scriptures as the root and process of homosexual behaviors, the end is DEATH away from God as they chose to live, unless they repent. I do not know of ONE SINGLE healthy homosexual person practicing their lifestyle and also true believers in our Biblical God, aside from twisted interpretations of Scriptures from deceiving, illegitimate "gay churches" without a significant and unavoidable conflict between their faith and their homosexual lifestyle.. Because it is not possible to speak the name of the LORD and not turn away from evil. Truth be told.

"Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? Declares the Sovereign LORD. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?" (Ezekiel 18:23)

Really, Our LORD single wish for each and every of us to embrace Good (God) and turn away from Evil (Devil).

A person believing in God's existence and Righteousness, by Holy Writings revealing His Will and Ways will determine that person whole appreciation of everything in term of morals and ethics. Indulging in homosexuality is always engaging against God, by His Word declaring it a sin. And I say to you, as one don't believe there is a God, the next higher authority is obviously oneself, making of self a god to determine the right and the wrong. An unarguable constant of homosexuality is narcissism, taking self attributes for the object of one's love, ie penis / vagina, the general body shape of a man or a woman, masculinity / feminity..

God is by His very being different from us, Holy Spirit.. An image (manifestation) of this structural difference can be found in our male and female structural difference, the relationship between the man and the woman united in love being a more whole image of God, our current chance to experience the "Garden of Eden" before the original sin within the Biblical conjugal covenant. The root and process of sin is so, with temptation being our common share and the devil our common enemy fooling our own willful decision to lead action more often than not : (random or provoked) opportunity testing one's belief > (determined) unbelief > (arrogant) pride > (chosen) selfishness > (willful) sinning > addictions from pleasures > slavery of sin > death away from God.. Unless the person / sinner turn to God, begging Him in their distress to break that chain, only through sincere repentance, acknowledging they are sinners and were sinning, deserving death by God's Righteous Law, they are lost and damned. To heal a heart from sin, it takes the blood of Jesus Christ, given for us at the Cross as our expiatory victim and resurrected after three days as our LORD and redeemer, granting by Grace a person a new life away from their ancient lifestyle serving sin and the devil, being a new creation in Christ, as forgiven sinners now glorifying God.. Amen.

But this is a permanent struggle to keep that good, true faith, all the more by our contemporary times views and temptations, by people like you stamping others with insulting, oppressive labels for chosing Biblical correctness over political one..

"Christophobe", to return the favor, you tool of fear and deceit!

This is what I mean, by "my hard, dry tone of words" .. I could apologize, but I won't because you also provoked me to it, with insults.

I don't expect any reply, or to participate to any constructive debate on this topic anymore, so I'm leaving this thread. Thanks.

(you forgot jews. "what, antisemitism is on par with racism now, biut but but, they klled the god")

You do. The same way you would by simply badmouthing black people, finding them disgusting, and simply refusing them the same rights as white people. There would be no "but at least i don't burn them on crosses so i am a great person".

Blaming those dirty liberal social justice types for taking away your video games again, eh?

You forgot to mention the console-tards. It's all their fault too.

Quoting http://www.gog.com/forum/general/video_games_are_evil_sexist_misogynist_and_racist/post155

It is my LEGITIMATE RIGHT to refuse and oppose the homosexual behavior and practice for myself and people under my responsibility to educate and take care of, just as it is the right of any other person to live and support them, is it not..? The only time you will find me opposing "gay rights" is about CREATING discrimination, as "homosexuals" seem to be more equals than others in the issue of instituting a civil "gay marriage", which is going against my Christian faith and family values, as an offense to the REAL, Godly Marriage by the way. A different name than "Marriage" for homosexual "unions" would have avoided such a massive conflict, not for the deceitful "gay agenda", obviously again. Ask yourself who is digging "homophobia" with these unreasonable pushes over, certainly not ME, or present evidence.

To the normal, IMPARTIAL Law for aeons wordlwide AND for God, there is no this and that dividing in "sexual orientations", let alone any wealth, fame, title, religion, race or even gender specific laws, we are supposed to be ALL treated as EQUAL human beings regardless of any of these individual differences.. Creating by Law for so few concerned (an accurate estimation points at about 2% of self-identifying "homosexuals" worldwide) AND interested men and women (estimated at about 50% from the 2% of self-declared "homosexuals") a specific "right" to marry each other of same-sex, when they ALREADY have that EQUAL RIGHT to marry a person of the opposite sex, just.. like.. the.. other.. men.. and..women.. Is all but equal, it is granting SPECIAL rights, unconstitutional, ILLEGITIMATE privileges.. Fallacy exposed.

Not even 5% (actually, a bit less than 4%) of the human population estimated as LGBT being favored over 95% of the rest, having to "deal with it" as an attempt of "reforming" moral values within personal consciences to fit a tiny, tiny minority's political agenda is an UNDERMINING EVIL, a direct violation of any sound reason, do not ignore the abandonment of democracy with the blocking of referendums, public voting.. Them "marriages" also including "rights" on children is the final nail in the coffin, and the ILL WILLINGLY OVERLOOKED REAL REASON OF CHRISTIANS OPPOSITION and ACTUAL unacceptable KEY point at hand. Last but not least, obviously there is NO RIGHT for homosexuals to a Biblical, Godly and Holy Marriage blessing with a same-sex "spouse"..!

The TRUTH behind "gay marriage", it's just a lure, a smokescreen to heat and divide the public opinions over this specific issue, taking attention away from their government's ACTUAL shortcomings.. It's ALSO the Trojan horse as a part of a bigger plan of taking over any sense of rigtheous morality, paving the way to genetic manipulations, the unacceptable monetization of human beings, of children, foetus and women's uterus, etc.. Global conspiracy is REAL!!

Edit : Please take notice how I have insisted in almost each and every post I made here to not beat a dead horse, and my fair, polite request to withdraw from this mess for health reasons, so THANK YOU really for the "respect" of pushing me over and calling me out.. Happy?

Definitive Edit :

(Due to the lack of space in my next comments, this is written here.. Sorry for the layout.)

Okay.. Just two points, not "my 2 cents" biased, ignorant homophobic personal opinion that "does not count" but God's WORD and WILL :

1. God designed Marriage for man and woman, so they are no longer two but ONE FLESH.

2. God designed sex for Marriage. ALL sexual prohibitions in Scriptures are rooted in that TRUTH.

In this LIGHT, homosexual sex and "marriages" are illegitimate to the sight of God, and accursed by God. That is all, and AMEN.

One LAST article, dealing with our century of darkness LIES covering, supporting homosexuality as a "viable alternative" :

http://www.porn-free.org/homosexual_truth_lies.htm

Bottom line and "old news", the Biblical God does not "bless" and support homosexuality, on the contrary it is unarguably condemned in EACH AND EVERY of its Biblical references.. Even if it wasn't specifically addressed as clearly in Scripture, it is irrevocably a sin (rebellion against God) by the EVERLASTING Ten Commandments in the forbidding of adultery, ie sex outside Marriage which is DEFINITELY SET as heterosexual by God.. Fornication / libertine sex is denounced and condemned as sinful for "heterosexuals", so should "homosexuals" get a free pass..? NO as we ARE AND REMAIN MEN AND WOMEN, NOT divided in "heteros" and "homos" by damned modern psy's will!

So, one enter that lifestyle at your own peril, the word is not at all abusive, and you will only have YOURSELF to blame at the end of the (Judgement) day, given all the fair responses, testimonies, blessings and.. Warnings presenting once and again, mine included.

Now, NOBODY is obligated to obey God and live by Christian's values against their own FREE WILL to do so! We all share the same freedom and accountability for our own personal decision(s) to make on this. An individual prove they LOVE GOD if they chose to trust and obey His Word and Will, OR they chose to disobey and prove they love themselves better than God, chosing to live and to set things (right and wrong) as THEY see fit independently from God.. So they think, but they are self-deceived as WHO give us LIFE & breath, food, and drink..? These are the rules over believers and unbelievers alike, so God's Word is stating whether someone likes it or not.. Amen.

You are free to disagree but if you're going to argue, don't shoot the messenger. Your, and their argument and own pleading stand with your / their own moral consciousness, and with God speaking to it through His Word declaring the willful developing and living of homosexuality a sin, not with me. For myself, I try as best as I can to trust and obey His Word and Will about it, I am renouncing to this sin among other sins for my / others sake, and strictly relay the information here as it is written in Scripture, not "reforming" ITS TRADITIONAL WRITING AND UNDERSTANDING to my "liberal", personal liking, and certainly not watering it down to yours and to theirs.. Period.

I DON'T give "lessons", I don't JUDGE, I am not "better" and a "Saint", I've been giving a "friendly reminder" with LOVE AND COURAGE!!

For the LAST TIME, I denounce and condemn HOMOSEXUALITY IN AND OF ITSELF and NOT HOMOSEXUALS!

To be perfectly honest and I find no reason to hide it as improper by God's Word and Will, certainly I do "hate" homosexuality itself as a whole for it being FACTUALLY an asocial and immoral behavior (namely without children birth there is no citizens for any society, and a man is not a woman by any means to "replace" her as a suitable partner) and certain "pro-gay theology" positions, should they arrogantly "reform" and / or challenge the Biblical Truth of God judging its practice in thoughts, in words and in deeds, a SIN. Then again, Scripture COMMAND believers to "Love sincerely. Hate evil. Hold on to what is good." In the very same way I strive to "hate" adultery, incest, bestiality one HONEST reader will find mentioned in the EXACT SAME VERSES AND CONTEXT dealing with homosexuality, as other Godly defined unlawful sexual relations.. ENOUGH with cheating OBJECTIVE BIBLICAL TRUTHS! I try as I can to diligently oppose all sins regardless of which one too, and all lies as a whole, just as much.. In myself now, in others then, setting an example for them and to lovingly warn fellow sinners, if asked or as needed, fairly enough.

Objectively now, these are NOT real, living people I am unreasonably "hating" but behaviors, practices, values, ideologies, NOTHING ALIVE to warrant any blame on myself for my stance of REASONABLE if strong disapproval, as in the same way one could totally criticize and oppose Christianity, and NOT Christian believers..

To people who are angry with that FACT and can't make the difference, the problem is on THEIR end.

So there, you have it.. My bleedingly emotional yet logical and IMPARTIALLY objective response, piece of my little, humble "wrath" for taunting one too many times my very soul. I know what I am talking about, with homosexuality being a DAILY concern to me, a stressful, unfortunate state and statement I doubt many could claim theirs, let alone wish for.. Believe me or not, it's up to you and I could not care less, as I know my motives are noble and my goal the best interest of my fellow sinners at the end of the day, I don”t wrong others in any significant and discriminating way.. Now, I am out of patience and proved MUCH civility and tact here, hence no more "please" nor any justified apologies to expect from me, you just consider how I went to treat the subject in depth with extreme details, as I did before with trans-gendering in the FB 50 "genders" thread because of YOU already, courtesy of my good will and now here to tell more about the traditional Christian Faith, explaining my personal views to some random internet stranger as you are to me, more so to someone who offended me by calling me out on this mercilessly..

Of all the accusations thrown at me here, none came with any evidence. Want me guilty of wrongdoing here..? Then prove it, or leave it.

Closing now, God bless and save us all, I pray and please still, feel free to PM me if I can be of help to any of you, GOGers!

Yeah and it's my right to oppose women voting and the marriage of people from different origins and the rights of black people to take the bus or enter restaurants because I am awesome like that.

What do you know about me, to cast implied, false accusations blindly, and forced comparisons.

I could well be a Jew, a black person, a woman, or of homosexual orientation, myself..?

As you folks are associating me with hypocrites, anti-semites, racists, misogynists, and homophobes.. Just, what else..?

MIND arguing what I wrote, NOT who I am, unless you actually KNOW ME..? What an old, cheap trick, shifting focus on the messenger, to try and outweigh, dismiss the MESSAGE, in an attempt to run away from confronting what I said with sound reasons.. Busted.

Anyway.. Again, for the 3rd and last time :

“Gender, race and impairment all relate to what a person is, whereas homosexuality relates to what a person does.”

Simply no.

So, let's agree to disagree and leave it at that.

Edit : Please read my post below first, this one follows as I could not add any more text..

Addition, @Telika I appreciate you don't put words in my mouth to defame me. I never made all the statements you accuse (blame..) me for.. Why should I care about homosexuals "loving" each other or living together..? I don't care, only the homosexual activity is prohibited and condemned as sinful in Scriptures, and if asked or dealing with fellow Christians, I will say just that.. Period.

How about accusing / blaming you of Christophobia or heterophobia, since you label me a homophobe..?

A post to provide helpful links for the record, as I am not here to blame, but to try and "save"..

A thoughtful article speaking better than I ever could, being a non-native speaker on the overall "legitimacy" of homosexuality to the Biblical God, contemporary pressures pushing homosexuals as a kind of "long due, prejudiced new species" (!) or not :

"Homophobia or Holiness? The Bible and Homosexuality" :

http://www.biblicalstudies.com/bstudy/contempry/hompbia1.htm

The POINT : "To be opposed to homosexuality has become the sin rather than the homosexuality itself. It is no longer enough for homosexuality to be legal -- it must be given moral approval."

The TRUTH : "Shame and sin can only be defined by God. A degenerate society may seek to call good evil and evil good, but still it is they who bear the shame; we do not."

My favorite part : "Holiness before God is our goal -- not acceptance by sinners."

Yet.. I trust I am not judgemental toward others as a likely sinner, but sharing the Gospel of Christ to do my part, trying my best to smooth out my personal bias in the process. The most, I do not want to be mistaken for a self-righteous jerk looking down at others, this I am not!

I actually support homosexual people as much as I can against undue social / political discriminations, and especially protect them from Islam harsh ways regarding their choice of lifestyle.. Still, my position is firm and clear, I condemn homosexuality, I confess it is a sin along with God labelling it a sin of sexual immorality, because I trust that Scriptural, Divine Truth with all I have, I am ready to face lawsuits and persecution for it, I accuse that harmful abomination of a sin for ruining lives and the brotherhood of men and women between themselves, distorting our human nature, (their) manhood and womanhood..

As for you and others, myself as well since I could be deceived too, please watch your step carefully as supporting homosexual persons is good and expected of us, but the limit is at supporting (their) homosexuality, which means opposing God by His Word and Law declaring it a sin UNARGUABLY and that Judgment is ETERNAL, the conscious and willful homosexual acts and thoughts the person is actively "enjoying" are the sin condemned in Scriptures, not the unwanted same-sex attraction / orientation, ie undeveloped tendencies / temptations.. So you run the risk to support homosexuals as a whole even in their behaviors OF CHOICE, you are then an obstacle to (their) Redemption, an enemy to God..

Now, AFAIK from you, @Telika you do take that risk! Your freedom and choice to move along and carry, to widespread the theories of "scientists" / lies of deceitful lobbies claims of some so-called "inborn, unchangeable condition and sexual orientation" which is FATALISM, denying and defying our HUMAN FREE WILL, God's design, most of all the Power of the Gospel to SAVE and TRANSFORM THE SINNER TO A SAINT, therefore YOUR personal responsibility, we are warned fairly enough.

There is a time to kindly show the way to prosper, offering understanding and support, there is also a time to firmly speak out when these are rejected purposely over and over, ultimately leaving rebellious hearts fall and fail in their sinfulness to reap what they sow, hopefully getting the "lessons" they have refused to gently welcome and receive the easy way with and trough piety, trust and obedience being forced over by harsh reality crushing in..

A beautiful, edifying Christian poem right about that, "The Hidden Line" :

http://www.cavaliersonly.com/poetry_by_christian_poets_of_the_past/the_hidden_line_the_destiny_of_men_by_joseph_addison_alexander

There is no ambiguity, no doubt, or even room for interpretation that Marriage and sexuality as God designed and blessed is conjugal, monogamous, hetero-gendered, as testified by God's Law and Word from Genesis to Revelation, by our very structure as male and female / family / (healthy) society, and ultimately confirmed by Christ.

I am usually relatively cool I believe, getting along with about everyone, but hey, I am human with free will to chose, too. There are two subjects dead serious to me and occasionally upsetting me to no end, certain aspects of "Islam" and "homosexuality" as a whole, for personal reasons I do not want to share and certainly don't have to, even less so am I bound to "apologize" for them, or simply for holding and expressing my "politically incorrect" opinion(s). Thanks for your respect and understanding, as I prove mine to you all.

I strongly suggest for all of you to check your sources, to NOT get your morals from your government(s) and in this case, to consider actual homosexuals lives and opinions better than ill intended political lobbies formatting consciences wiith lies to push on their "agenda".

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_Ari%C3%B1o

His take and truth, that I totally agree with and approve of, for drawing near similar conclusions myself, yet I HAVE to especially give credit, applaud, empathize for himself being of homosexual orientation, speaks in a few words that heterosexuality as conjugal love is the celebration of the difference of our sexes, properly honoring it as the mandatory condition for our very existence to see the light of day and our very mean of survival to prosper as Humankind, while homosexuality is a denial of that reality, excluding the difference of sexes, while still taking opposite sex roles to copy the act, but failing at that as an "union" of pairing two different beings, therefore unfathomably self-concerned, harmful and painful to us, to them as social, gendered, MORAL beings.. Morally wrong because (God says so) of a factual and effective, simple and unarguable TRUTH : a man is not a woman, a woman is not a man!

So much for you, advocate(s) of the devil and politics sold out to ideologically wrong and dangerous lobbies, day in, day out "equating" homosexuality with heterosexuality, "homophobia" with racism, misogyny.. I assume for the very benefit of my (certainly few) reader(s) to have sucessfully left such fallacies out in the open by now, proven their illegitimacy. That is all.

My prayer and purpose here is that, I can't turn to God and confess their sins on the behalf of another person, if they don't find the need to be forgiven and saved from their destructive ways, no one else can convince them beside the Holy Spirit. That is all I wish for my fellow brothers and sisters struggling with sin, any sin and also the sin of homosexuality to do. That they see and go to the Light, to face reality as it is, without excluding God. I welcome anyone to join the fellowship with Our LORD.. To experience the Grace of God, to regain their Dignity by living in Christ Jesus. But that is only possible through joyful obedience to God's Law of LIFE.. Otherwise at the Last Judgment, after this life, as one did not turn to God and repent from their sins while living, one will perish as they chose to live, rebellious to God..

"If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:8 - 1:9)

As far as I know and am concerned, a person is lost the SECOND he / she forget they are, or do not aknowledge themselves to be sinners among other sinners by God's Law condemning EVERY ONE OF US to deserve DEATH sooner or later, being even accountable of our sinful thoughts before God. The truth is, we are all sinners, sharing our common condition of fallen humankind in dire need of forgiveness, of a Savior, Jesus Christ by God's Grace.. Amen.

This is my definitive, last stand on that matter, at least in this forum and hopefully at all, mark my words. That said, bless you, GOGers!!

Ending with the best articles I could read and share about this :

The TRUTH shall SET YOU FREE :

http://www.thebiblepage.org/biblesays/homosexuality.shtml

REASONABLE FAITH :

http://www.reasonablefaith.org/a-christian-perspective-on-homosexuality

A torough and truthful Christian study of homosexuality :

http://www.porn-free.org/homosexual.htm

Sharing the Gospel about the sin of homosexuality and the available Redemption from it, authentic Biblical Christianity :

http://www.raystedman.org/new-testament/romans/the-deepening-darkness

Finally, due to the characters limitation per post, my DEFINITIVE word is found here :

http://www.gog.com/forum/general/video_games_are_evil_sexist_misogynist_and_racist/post157

Last Edit : PLEASE go on with the discussion, SORRY for derailing the thread, responding to provocations!!

It's not a disagreement, your opinion does not count.

You are harming people because of who they are. Because the fall in love, and feel physical attraction, to people of the same sex, you consider they shouldn't have-sex-with-their-beloved-ones or express-feelings-to-their-beloved-ones or live-as-a-couple-with-their-beloved-ones. Because of who they are, you frame "what they do" as something specific. And wash your hands, claiming that it makes a difference. Claiming that the action or situation itself is different enough that it warrants discrimination. It is not. Not any more than "using a woman mind to cast a vote" is a different action from "voting", or "pressing a black ass on a bus seat" is a different action from "sitting". Racists would frame it as "imposing a black presence", a terrible act that white people never do. But it's not about the act, it's about who peforms it.

Homosexuals perform love. In bed and in life. Only homophobia makes you see it as a specific action, warranting a stigma.

For some self-serving reason, you don't grasp how your social and (wishfully) legal judgement forbids them "to be" more than it forbids them "to do". Maybe you could do the effort of reversing the situation. If you're heterosexual (which I often doubt when it comes to ravenous homophobes), then imagine living in a world that forces you to live your "love" and your sexuality with people of the same sex as you. And come back to tell me how it merely prevented you to "do" ("what others do" or "what others don't do" ?), in your life.

@Telika

Because yours does, more than mine..? Acknowledge I speak facts with evidence, to carefully back my personal opinion as reasonable, grounded in Scripture while you only scatter around irrational, "emotional" tear jerks.

No.. You are born a male or a female, black or white or from another ethnicity, this is a genetic, inherited reality that is originally constitutive of a person, and keep existing without their consent, hopefully with as they live on.. In opposition to that, you become a homosexual by chosing to behave as one, acting on your desires to engage and maintain same-sex romantic / sexual activities. I don't say it justifies any discrimination against homosexual people, I say it dismiss equating "homophobia" to racism and misogyny, as it is a FALLACY from today's political activists. What we do change who we are, this is true by any means but it is factual, homosexuality is a conduct and a practice, unlike unintentional, unchangeable race and biological sex.

How can I harm people I do not encounter, or just by speaking truth..? This won't change, I chose integrity and won't speak lies to please others anytime soon. Especially, how could I be an obstacle to their sexuality with it being a private matter.. I don't have to imagine a homosexual world, it is already the reality by our liberal societies. Still, whatever happens by our governments lies and laws, the norm is heterosexual why, because our very nature is physically and mentally structured as heterosexual, as male and female. Our mean of reproduction is exclusively heterosexual, actual sexual union is exclusively heterosexual or you tell me how a penis / vagina can "perform" genuine sexual mating with another penis / vagina by their natural function, ie penetrating / being penetrated.

Quite frankly now, you can't blame a black person for being black, a woman for being a woman, without being silly and unfair. The same is true for accusing heterosexuals of being heterosexuals, matching the norm within conjugal sex as the very source of our existence as reproductive beings / families / societies yet "accusing" homosexuals of conducting immoral sex behaviors and practices is always speaking and stating the truth of our Biblical God's Verdict on that matter, declaring it a sin. I dare you or any living soul to revoke it. Period.

"Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion." (Romans 1:26-27)

To be fair and dismiss once and for all "homophobic discrimination" claims, the same can be said and is true about "accusing" any and all fornicators and adulterers of immoral sex lives, with homosexuality always being a form of either fornication or adultery..

I am also inviting you to imagine a situation, now.. Consider a person dealing with their homosexual attractions and feelings for long and still hesitating, reading our discussion.. By your position, the person will very likely follow their longing desire to engage in homosexuality, no question asked and with your blessing.. By my position, our person will carefully reflect on my writings and most probably turn back to God, deciding to seek His Will better than following their own, walking a safe and prosperous path rather than a dangerous one made of addictions, the slavery of sin making homosexuality their new master. I am safe to say, by the Judgment Day on that matter, God would approve of me for my doing, and you would be punished for yours. Because I have spoken the Holy Scriptures truth leading to LIFE, while you caused someone else to stumble, leading one of your brother or sister to engage in sinning with all possible repercutions..

For myself, I am very careful to hold on to my faith and really don't need / want to know more about homosexuality than seeing it for what it is, a grievous sin that could also master me, by lacking vigilance and confidence in God's Word and Will for me, and our Humankind.. As for all these claims "in the name of love" you are conveying and supporting, I trust that homosexual acts wouldn't be condemned by God, were them equally valid or even comparable with the blessed conjugal sex, heterosexual love!

WHY homosexuality is condemned as an "abomination" by God..? Because we are created as male and female by His design to become husband and wife, that all men are brothers, all women are sisters, between themselves in Humanity, between ourselves in Faith..

To conclude, the forbidding was strong and punished by death by the Old Testament for the Hebrews, the New Testament is grown up, the forbidding proved into WARNINGS of inevitable consequences, the separation from God.. People are free to decide, this is it.

As Christians, we are urged to not pass any judgment on people outside of our own communities, at any rate and the message I trust and share is not mine but from our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The "rules" are the same for all sins and all sinners impartially :

"You will perish, too, unless you repent of your sins and turn to God."

To love God first, then my neighbor as I love myself, equally. And the Golden Rule, do to others what you would want them to do to you..

When a person refuse to recognize a sin being a sin, they are digging their own grave, this is all I am saying and stating. Now, when moral reprobation can't be spoken, replaced by claims that sins are no longer sins because "we" all want an amoral, asexual "equal playground", this is ill societies ways and lies, a major wrong against God and Christ message of Redemption.

Should one search my history in GOG forums about my interventions, one will find many if not all of my "lectures" denouncing homosexuality balanced with "preaches" of hope and salvation, at the core of my messages.. I probably wrote half a dozen, as I found it an opportunate topic to share the Gospel, to be of use to God and a help to you all.. I will now stop doing that though in trivial internet forums, as I don't have the strenght to endure anymore the backfire, for health reasons.. So far, within a single day for publicly standing against homosexuality itself aside from homosexuals, my "claims" and opposition supported by the Bible Scriptures, I have been accused, blamed and judged of harming people, of being a "disgusting homophobic asshole", my personal reason(s) and opinion(s) do not count, I am an anti-semite, a racist, a hypocrite, a misogynist, and probably a homosexual in denial for being so vocal against it..

I guess I needed more of the same "lesson" from another, similar forum community.. Not one message to support me, even through PM. I'm not "playing the martyr" now either, simply stating facts and how I've felt this "discussion" turning today.. It is hurting me to admit, almost submit to the rampant, selfish "get lost, I don't care" attitude going on, but I can't afford risking my fragile ego anymore here. I have had enough and hopefully this is my last damn post in such a trap of a thread, a good slap to my face for thinking too high of this place.. I could grow in indifference and live on thinking "get lost, I don't care" by now.. Or worst, in hate by "go to hell, damned faggots, this is where you belong" but God knows this is not me and I never, ever harbored such attitudes.. Amen.

I suffer from this shitstorm of "free" personal offenses but I forgive, once more. My wrong is to have mistaken this forum and community for my own.. I assumed I was caring, sharing warnings for my brothers and sisters, but you people are not, you are my enemies, for being enemies of God, so I see. I am the winner in the end, I still love my enemies while mercilessly shaken and challenged, still I am keeping my faith in God's Word and Will, now saving me by the truth I am not the one wronging others in this situation, on the contrary.

I'm nowhere near judging, or blaming people for an orientation one has little control over, but I don't and I won't accept moral right and wrong redefined by human people in such oppressive manners, with social pressures. See my position in these threads, I am evil incarnate, the bad guy, just your regular homophobic asshole bigot despite all I've done to distinguish the act from the persons, countless times.. Especially, all I've done to prove my care and love for the individuals, and yes also my hate for greedy, ill intended political activists, building bridges for more to join, focused on expanding their foul "culture" enslaving people deeper in their addictions to that unfortunate sin rather than forwarding the heartbreaking personal testimony of repentant homosexuals, living through their trials and sufferings.. Who's unfair here, I'm leaving you all to judge. I've taken enough on myself to inform, argue and debate with unbelievers.

Some believe Holy Scriptures are irrelevant records of ancient civilizations socio-cultural times and human laws to control the crowd by fear and deceit, I think and trust they are Divine Word, that our God is a Righteous and moral, Holy God, the only Authority to can definite Right and Wrong as our Author.. "Let God be true, and every human being a liar". Today's mentality on the Biblical God and myself "nail" (...) us as "disgusting homophobic assholes" apparently, then so be it. I chose what, who to trust as right. I actually "wash my hands", my personal responsibility of and off you all as a community now, I've done my part. and "shake the dust off my feet". I am still offering my individual help though, so one feel free to PM me. I pray none of you, of us to get lost in their sins.. Bless you, GOGers!

Anyway..

@Telika, I've sent you a PM, as UNLIKE YOU, I do value your opinion and want to help out any misunderstanding between us.. Thank you.