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Klumpen0815:
Rorschach is my favorite character as well. I love that he never compromised. Jackie Earle Haley played him wonderfully. So many masked heroes in movies can't go five minutes without taking their mask off. I am glad that Rorshach only had his off as many times as he did in the comic book. Carl Urban did that wonderfully in Dredd (another fantastic film, by the way) and Hugo Weaving crushed it in V for Vendetta. It's a shame that actors can't do this more often.

As for the X-Men movies, they can be a tough watch. The second one is the only one I enjoy, but that could simply be because I love Nightcrawler. The third film killed the whole franchise for me. I haven't seen any of the films since. I heard Days of Future Past "fixes" a lot of the problems that the third film created, but I still can't be bothered to care.
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Tekkaman-James: sniiiiiiiiiip
Watchmen is fantastic, both the comic book and the film. I liked the "catalyst" in the graphic novel much more, though.
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sunshinecorp: Bad adaptation, maybe.
Great film. Amazing film. One of my favorite films. :P
This. It's not just one of my favorite scifi films, it's one of my favorite films and one of the reasons that scifi is one of my favorite genres.
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Tekkaman-James: As for the X-Men movies, they can be a tough watch. The second one is the only one I enjoy, but that could simply be because I love Nightcrawler. The third film killed the whole franchise for me. I haven't seen any of the films since. I heard Days of Future Past "fixes" a lot of the problems that the third film created, but I still can't be bothered to care.
The movies lacked everything I like in the comics, most of the time Nightcrawler and his cute sense of humour of course, the friendship between Kurt and Logan, Storms constant struggle with her claustrophobia, Jean Grey's (Marvel Girl / Phoenix) struggle with her power corrupted side (Dark Phoenix) resulting in a complete extinction of a peaceful race of 5 billion aliens and ultimately her suicide, Charles negative character traits as an extremely dictatorial person leading to funny collisions with Logans problem with authorities, Cyclops sociophobia, etc...

Not to mention, that the movies somewhat screw with the generations.
Post edited October 21, 2014 by Klumpen0815
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sunshinecorp: Watchmen is fantastic, both the comic book and the film. I liked the "catalyst" in the graphic novel much more, though.
I think the biggest problem is that Snyder played up so many aspects of superhero tropes that the book went out of its way to avoid. To give an example, Nite Owl in the comics wears a spandex suit so that we can see his pot belly; it's a visual symbol for how he is a has-been playing dress up for kicks and to suite his fetish (which hey, don't get me wrong, let the freak flag fly); in the movie, Snyder changed the costume because he thought the pot belly looked silly, ignoring that the whole point of the pot belly was to make the reader confront the ludicrousness of the character. Add in the addition of multiple graphically violent scenes that the comic did not have (and was generally low on in the first place) in an attempt to make the film more 'mature' but just wound up making it feel like childish pandering and the excising of several important character arcs that fleshed out the philosophical concepts that the characters represented ("... and God was not there... Does that answer your question, Doctor?"), and it's clear that Zack Snyder had no idea what made the book great. The now defunct Spill.com hosted a review at one point that described Snyder as the ultimate example of a fanboy: he was rabidly in love with the object of his desire, but he had absolutely no idea of what made it work, and his ideas of improvements were actually detrimental to what the thing he claimed to love was actually about.

Don't get me wrong, it's miles better than the garbage versions of the script that had been floating around prior to it (including a post 9/11 script wherein Nite Owl shoots Veidt in the face and the plot revolved around terrorism; no, really, that existed). It's just a shame that the film didn't have someone better working on it.
Post edited October 21, 2014 by Jonesy89
Dropping by to leave you a +1.

Cheers.
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Tekkaman-James: I heard Days of Future Past "fixes" a lot of the problems that the third film created, but I still can't be bothered to care.
Not exactly fixes... it paves the way for a reboot of the entire series, and imho it does so in a somewhat satisfying manner. I enjoyed it, but I wouldn't rave about it. I recommend watching it, however.
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Klumpen0815: Not to mention, that the movies somewhat screw with the generations.
Ugh...don't even get me started on "First Class" and "Origins: Wolverine". *shudder*

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Jonesy89: It's just a shame that the film didn't have someone better working on it.
Your points are valid. I won't argue that. I even said that a lot of the meta-textual stuff is not present, but there's only so much story you can tell in two hours without confusing or intimidating people. Regardless, the main beats are all there and the characters are portrayed physically and emotionally accurately.

Zack Snyder made a movie that Hollywood couldn't get off the ground for 25 years. Do you know how he did it? By cutting the comic book panels out and using them as his storyboard. He trusted the source material in a way that no attempted version of the film had ever bothered. You might think the spirit of the movie suffered, but this is the best abridged version of a literary work I have ever seen. No one could have done better without turning it into a miniseries and, by that point, you might as well just watch the motion comic or read the books.

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sunshinecorp: I enjoyed it, but I wouldn't rave about it. I recommend watching it, however.
Thanks for the opinion. Perhaps if it makes its way to Netflix streaming, I'll give it a chance.
Post edited October 21, 2014 by Tekkaman-James
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Tekkaman-James: I heard Days of Future Past "fixes" a lot of the problems that the third film created, but I still can't be bothered to care.
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sunshinecorp: Not exactly fixes... it paves the way for a reboot of the entire series, and imho it does so in a somewhat satisfying manner. I enjoyed it, but I wouldn't rave about it. I recommend watching it, however.
I just recently read the X-Men episode "days of future past".

It plays in a future where mutants are mostly dead or in concentration camps and enslaved by the sentinels.
Kitty's (Sprite's) consciousness gets send back through time so her old self can stop Mystique and her band from assassinating senator Kelly and therefore trying to prevent the rapid growth of the anti-mutant movement which led to this scenario.

I just make a wild guess and say, that in the movie not Kitty gets sent back but... Logan?

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Klumpen0815: Not to mention, that the movies somewhat screw with the generations.
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Tekkaman-James: Ugh...don't even get me started on "First Class" and "Origins: Wolverine". *shudder*
What they did to Banshee, Moira, Mystique, Azazel and Havoc was strange and the Hellfire-club doesn't make much sense there.
What they did to Deadpool.... I'm out of words... (how fitting).
Post edited October 21, 2014 by Klumpen0815
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sunshinecorp: But it's so good for discussion! This is becoming my favorite banter thread.
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Potzato: I must have missed 200 posts. The funny thing is the 'male giveaway' will got thrice the number of entries and a tenth of the total number of posts :-)
*Grunt*
*Grunt*
*Grunt*
*Shakes club*
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sunshinecorp: Not exactly fixes... it paves the way for a reboot of the entire series, and imho it does so in a somewhat satisfying manner. I enjoyed it, but I wouldn't rave about it. I recommend watching it, however.
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Klumpen0815: I just recently read the X-Men episode "days of future past".

It plays in a future where mutants are mostly dead or in concentration camps and enslaved by the sentinels.
Kitty's (Sprite's) consciousness gets send back through time so her old self can stop Mystique and her band from assassinating senator Kelly and therefore trying to prevent the rapid growth of the anti-mutant movement which led to this scenario.

I just make wild guess and say, that in the movie not Kitty gets sent back but... Logan?
Correct.
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sunshinecorp: snip
Well, I hope it has an upside:
No more Ellen Page? (I hate this person with a passion.)
Post edited October 21, 2014 by Klumpen0815
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sunshinecorp: snip
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Klumpen0815: Well, I hope it has an upside:
No more Ellen Page? (I hate this person with a passion.)
lol, why? I like her. Well, I only hated her (her character) in Hard Candy. But it was a totally lousy film in general.
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Klumpen0815: Well, I hope it has an upside:
No more Ellen Page? (I hate this person with a passion.)
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sunshinecorp: lol, why? I like her. Well, I only hated her (her character) in Hard Candy. But it was a totally lousy film in general.
She is one of the mascots of hardcore misandric feminism.
Official statements to this topic go in directions like
(I quote her here):
"Lesbianism is the goal of feminism." - Ellen Page (lesbian)
Post edited October 21, 2014 by Klumpen0815
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sunshinecorp: lol, why? I like her. Well, I only hated her (her character) in Hard Candy. But it was a totally lousy film in general.
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Klumpen0815: She is one of the mascots of hardcore misandric feminism.
Official statements to this topic go in directions like
(I quote her here):

"Lesbianism is the goal of feminism."
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Klumpen0815:
I don't mind. Just give me pop corn.