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Posted February 08, 2014
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Skysect: How do you know ? I never write harsh things about any developer except Stoic . GOG release is here but I still heard too much negative things .
I don't. I just heard it from others.
See what I did there? Probably not, but it was worth a try....

Seriously - you're not a backer, you haven't bought the game, but you're slashing it and it's devs in every possible way because of what?
- They delivered a finished product for all their backers (including the DRM-free crowd).
- How and if they put the money from their backers to use, is absolutely and without a shadow of a doubt, not your concern as you aren't a backer.
- They can't communicate with their backers. 47 updates on their kickstarter page within almost 2 years, tells a different story. Even though I admit they dropped the ball on the DRM-free release - which again, isn't your problem as you're not a backer and therefor not entitled to it in any shape or form.
- You question if it's really good then turn around and claim it to be a half assed product, based on what? Your experience? Reviews? Other users? Or data you made up on the go or don't have at all? Fact is: most reviews, be it from "professional" critics or users are favorable.

To top that all off, you finish with an accusation (maybe using crack to remove DRM) you really have no idea about.

I'm sorry to say but it is kinda hard taking you seriously that way.
Actually, scrap the sorry part.....
Posted February 08, 2014
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Fenixp: Yup, I feel that's why they did the release how they did it. But if they have to pick between the two, guess which crowd are they going to support...
As an indie dev they had other choises they could've chosen from:

1. Do DRM-free release, release on all platforms, add steam features they could not do by release date later. (this is how it's usually done)
2. Doing what they did but delay release by two-three weeks, release on all platforms at the same time.
3. Develop both versions at the same time, release when ready

they chose the fourth option:
Desing game for Steamworks, release on steam, strip out steamworks to make DRM-free version and release it later.

Still, I'm probably more miffed at steam users because when we asked about the DRM-free versions in their Stoic forums they came to point out that there's a link to DRM-free download (that Stoic haven't made update about) and we should shut up and be happy about that. "Hey, here's scrap, now shut up and go away" kind of way. :-p

Hopefully the promissed update clears everything up and we can hug and be friends again ;-p
Post edited February 08, 2014 by Petrell
Posted February 08, 2014
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Petrell: Let's have them do it the otherway around with next episode and see what kind of shit storm it'll cause all over the place. ;-p Steam users are hardly any more lenient or patient compared to DRM-free growd, I can actually quite safely say they're far worse Just see all the where are mah steam keys/steam key gimme gimme all over the net. You can also read the early access forums if you're not convinces. It's worse than RPGCodex forums. :-p
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Fenixp: Yup, I feel that's why they did the release how they did it. But if they have to pick between the two, guess which crowd are they going to support...
This is probably the last time i will mention this, but they had no reason not to release BOTH at the same time. We backed them in good faith and any tom dick and harry would assume both would have come out the same time. Most other kickstarter projects ive backed drm free has come out the same time as the Steam version. There is NO valid reason to hold back one version over the other except greed.
The next two chapters? If they go kickstarter again i will probably not back them unless there is a solid guarantee all backers get treated equally.
Posted February 08, 2014
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Niggles: Wonder what they are doing?. Game already released, Hasn't the patch been released already?
Depend's what patch are you talking about? They did release Patch 1(version/build 2.1.65) on 22nd of january. Don't know any other patch.
The Banner Saga Patch 1 - Release Notes - 2.1.65

Added SUBTITLES. Click the button with the Close Captioning 'CC' logo on the Options page.
Added missing Kickstarter backer names to credits
Backer Crests that missed the initial deadline have been incorporated into the game.
Challenge Achievement can now be gained, despite Iver losing a battle to Bellower
Fix issue where ranked up units are unable to use their rank 2 & 3 abilites after loading from a save game
Improved video playback issues for some users
Numpad keys are now supported for Conversation option (1,2,3,...) and continue (SPACE, ENTER) hotkeys.
Numpad keys are now supported for combat hotkeys (1,2,3,4)
Fixed achievement names of Eagle Eye and Siege Archer
Dredge Slag Slinger Backoff can now trigger at most once per turn. This addresses problems when Rook's Mark Prey ability is used on a Dredge Slag Slinger when multiple allies can hit it.
Slingers that get hit while running away will now resume running away after their damage reaction animation completes
Silver Arrow in Bellower fight now longer requires Willpower to use
Travel HUD no longer permanently disappears after Einartoft due to certain choices
More supplies and renown increased throughout Chapter 6
Nid no longer gains the incorrect number of points to spend on rank up
Ekkill no longer appears incorrectly in certain events if he is left behind
Iver is no longer required in the party after Einartoft when making certain choices.
Fixed an error where Fasolt would stay with the party after Einartoft in certain branches.
Fix issue with using left/right arrow buttons in Heroes unit details page when no units are in the party
Posted February 08, 2014
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Niggles: This is probably the last time i will mention this, but they had no reason not to release BOTH at the same time.
How do you know? Besides, I kind understand the anger that the DRM-free version came a month later. I don't understand the anger when DRM-free version was released
Posted February 08, 2014
The game ist here, but without any chance to get the pre order DLC.
This is my problem with this game and the reason why I wait for a sale or a bundle with it.
Posted February 08, 2014
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turbosnake: The game ist here, but without any chance to get the pre order DLC.
This is my problem with this game and the reason why I wait for a sale or a bundle with it.
My problem with it is the fact that it has preorder DLC in the first place.
Post edited February 08, 2014 by HK_47
Posted February 08, 2014
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Petrell: As an indie dev they had other choises they could've chosen from:

1. Do DRM-free release, release on all platforms, add steam features they could not do by release date later. (this is how it's usually done)
2. Doing what they did but delay release by two-three weeks, release on all platforms at the same time.
3. Develop both versions at the same time, release when ready

they chose the fourth option:
Desing game for Steamworks, release on steam, strip out steamworks to make DRM-free version and release it later.
Most likely because they built Banner Saga: Factions first (Multiplayer with Steamworks) and built the Banner Saga around that base, which makes sense for a small team. You can argue whether they should've made Banner Saga Factions at all, but seeing they did do that first it's not strange that the game had Steamworks already that had to be taken out first
Posted February 10, 2014
In response to questions about getting gog keys, one of the devs posted this in the forum:

"There's a kickstarter update going out soon(ish). Sorry for the delay!"
Posted February 12, 2014
So there is an update up, which is for backers only so I won't repeat it here, but no mention of gog, whatsoever. Stoic then make this comment in response to a backer question about gog keys which I will quote:

"we apologize about the delay on GOG keys. It has been equally frustrating for us that they've been unable to activate our sales page. Currently we are available for sale on nearly every digital distribution site except GOG. We'll be updating the moment that changes."

"Currently we are available for sale on nearly evert digital distribution site except GOG". Amazing...
Posted February 12, 2014
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htown1980: So there is an update up, which is for backers only so I won't repeat it here, but no mention of gog, whatsoever. Stoic then make this comment in response to a backer question about gog keys which I will quote:

"we apologize about the delay on GOG keys. It has been equally frustrating for us that they've been unable to activate our sales page. Currently we are available for sale on nearly every digital distribution site except GOG. We'll be updating the moment that changes."

"Currently we are available for sale on nearly evert digital distribution site except GOG". Amazing...
I'm confused - the game was released on GOG on Feb 5 and you can purchase it (I just tried and it got added to my cart). So, what exactly are they talking about? It suspiciously sounds like they're trying to shift the responsibility for their own actions (or lack of) on GOG. Or is something else going on?
Posted February 12, 2014
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htown1980: So there is an update up, which is for backers only so I won't repeat it here, but no mention of gog, whatsoever. Stoic then make this comment in response to a backer question about gog keys which I will quote:

"we apologize about the delay on GOG keys. It has been equally frustrating for us that they've been unable to activate our sales page. Currently we are available for sale on nearly every digital distribution site except GOG. We'll be updating the moment that changes."

"Currently we are available for sale on nearly evert digital distribution site except GOG". Amazing...
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HypersomniacLive: I'm confused - the game was released on GOG on Feb 5 and you can purchase it (I just tried and it got added to my cart). So, what exactly are they talking about? It suspiciously sounds like they're trying to shift the responsibility for their own actions (or lack of) on GOG. Or is something else going on?
I don't know. I suspect they are just a small team who don't really know what they are doing outside of making video games. I can't imagine they would be intentionally trying to mislead people about the game not being available on gog, I suspect that either they didn't know or someone didn't tell the person who posted on their kickstarter.

I think this comment from DarkAngel (save for the deliberate misinformation suggestion) sums up my thoughts:

"That Stoic comment below is weird unless it's referring to a different sale page to include the bónus for backers (item and Tryggvi), since the game has been available and announced on gog.com for some time.
Other possible explanations are miscommunication between stoic and gog, misinformation from whoever posted, and deliberate misinformation, none of which are good signs."
Posted February 12, 2014
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HypersomniacLive: I'm confused - the game was released on GOG on Feb 5 and you can purchase it (I just tried and it got added to my cart). So, what exactly are they talking about? It suspiciously sounds like they're trying to shift the responsibility for their own actions (or lack of) on GOG. Or is something else going on?
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htown1980: I don't know. I suspect they are just a small team who don't really know what they are doing outside of making video games. I can't imagine they would be intentionally trying to mislead people about the game not being available on gog, I suspect that either they didn't know or someone didn't tell the person who posted on their kickstarter.

I think this comment from DarkAngel (save for the deliberate misinformation suggestion) sums up my thoughts:

"That Stoic comment below is weird unless it's referring to a different sale page to include the bónus for backers (item and Tryggvi), since the game has been available and announced on gog.com for some time.
Other possible explanations are miscommunication between stoic and gog, misinformation from whoever posted, and deliberate misinformation, none of which are good signs."
I think they have problems with communication in general (lack of as well). Anyone think they really dont want to cough up gogkeys for backers? :/
Posted February 12, 2014
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htown1980: I don't know. I suspect they are just a small team who don't really know what they are doing outside of making video games. I can't imagine they would be intentionally trying to mislead people about the game not being available on gog, I suspect that either they didn't know or someone didn't tell the person who posted on their kickstarter.

I think this comment from DarkAngel (save for the deliberate misinformation suggestion) sums up my thoughts:

"That Stoic comment below is weird unless it's referring to a different sale page to include the bónus for backers (item and Tryggvi), since the game has been available and announced on gog.com for some time.
Other possible explanations are miscommunication between stoic and gog, misinformation from whoever posted, and deliberate misinformation, none of which are good signs."
They do seem to have lots of communication issues. GOG's selling the game for a week now, that's info they should be really interested in following up and knowing for a fact; if they don't, they shouldn't be speaking and hurting someone else's reputation.
Unless there's supposed to be a separate backers-only edition, though I doubt that GOG is going to do that - usually the backers-only content is made available on the devs site (such was the case of Expeditions: Conquistador); only Divinity: Dragon Commander has two editions, but both are available to the general public.
Posted February 12, 2014
Their communication is really bad. I know they are a small team and all but its still quite unbelievable. A number of comments have been made in response to their last update (which is 3 hours old) that they are mistaken about the game being released on gog, but no response at all.

You'd think it would be something that they would want to correct...
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