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Well, I entered Licurg's giveaway here and complied with his request. It's his giveaway after all. Now I get what he was trying to do (I think) with the sacrifice for Sacrifice thing.

There were A LOT of disturbing pictures that one could have posted, and I tried to choose something that was not too gory, cruel, or offensive. I apologize if it did offend anyone.

I figured if people didn't like what was going on, they would just ignore the thread and not click on the links. I didn't click to check every pic, as I wasn't interested in seeing a bunch of dead animals.

My main motivation was, and still is, to have a chance at winning a cool game! So it is with this mindset that I would like to enter this giveaway. :)
Not in, but +1 for the initiative :)
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Andanzas: I don't know anything about Licurg or his moral views (I am new to the forums), but animals are tortured and killed all over the planet every single day. Showing some images that remind us of that sad reality might be disturbing, but it's not immoral. I posted a picture of the King of Spain after having killed some animals in Africa. That caused a huge outcry in Spain. It's a disgusting image. If you assume the participants in that thread "like seeing dead animals" or that is almost "promoting animal abuse," of course you are going to reach that conclusion, but at least bear in mind that it's only your own interpretation, you can't read peoples mind.

And I can't read the OP's mind, but I can easily think that he is just showing off his moral superiority and trying to cause division in the forums. Licurg's giveaway might be in poor taste, I agree with that; but this one is also in very poor taste.

I hope both threads get closed.
This.

We're all acting like idiots. Grow up. Everyone.
I agree, pictures of dead animals is tasteless.

The secondary reason I didn't join is because Sacrifice doesn't attract me. I have been tempted with Giants, though.
I did not enter the aforementioned Sacrifice giveaway.


Pictures of real-life dead ANYTHING is wrong.

Except pictures of steak.

..Or possibly sushi.

......I need games and food now.
I'm in. I love animals, I have a couple at home :) plus, why would you want to hurt this little guy?

Love the stand!

I'm in for Fallout 2!
Post edited November 21, 2012 by Celton88
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Celton88: I'm in. I love animals, I have a couple at home :) plus, why would you want to hurt this little guy?

http://s3.favim.com/orig/47/animal-buuny-cute-fluffy-i-want-Favim.com-437025.jpg

Love the stand!
God that's cute! My heart just melted. :)

Then back to my original post:

I'm in for Fallout 2, and +1 000 000 for OP for making this thread.

I was genuinely horrified with the idea of "post a picture of a dead animal" –thread. I don't want to see dead animals in any from, not in pictures and not on a plate.

Hopefully that thread will get some attention, just because it's really really disturbing. What next? "Post a picture of a real dead people to participate in a give away" -thread? The one with the most corpses shown gets extra points?

I truly truly hope that we don't have to see any kind of cruelty in these forums any more. The topic is just too sad to be taken lightly.

These are Good Old Games, so why don't make threads that promote happiness and fun? Ian has said it best: "Hope to make someone smile".

In that sense, here's another picture of a really cute little bunny. Hopefully it will make you smile. :)

http://thedesigninspiration.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/cute-animals/02.jpg
Post edited November 16, 2012 by Wartath
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Celton88: I'm in. I love animals, I have a couple at home :) plus, why would you want to hurt this little guy?

http://s3.favim.com/orig/47/animal-buuny-cute-fluffy-i-want-Favim.com-437025.jpg

Love the stand!
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Wartath: God that's cute! My heart just melted. :)
http://cl.jroo.me/z3/c/d/H/d/a.aaa-Little-piggy.jpg

That looks super cute too, but I ate its mother without any remorse whatsoever.

<provoking mode off>

You are a vegetarian, so your stance makes sense to me, unlike some other posters here.
Post edited November 16, 2012 by keeveek
I'm withdraw my partecipations to the Sacrifice contest.I love animals,most of them are better then people,I have two dogs I really love and I don't want to show picture of dead animals,for me it's disturbing.
This thread made me chuckle. I guess I could enter for Giants (the rest I already have).

Hmm...I'm not much of a speaker really, but I think we can all agree that the official general opinion of the matter is that those requests were "totally not cool", "lamer than a watered down vodka" and that they "suck hairy old man balls". Instead of posting pictures of dead animals, we should put more effort into eating them and not waste time taking stupid photos, because this will help us in two ways:
1. Less cows = less cow farts polluting the air, causing the greenhouse effect, and when there's no sudden changes in climate, there's less catastrophic environmental hazards such as hurricanes. If you think about it, it was Clarabelle Cow who's responsible for Sandy. Clarabelle murdered your loved ones! And by the most insulting way too; rancid anal gases!!
2. The more meat we eat, the more pissed off the PETA will get. And the more pissed off they are, the more beautiful, naked ladies they will put on display on magazines and billboards. Therefor, meat won't have to be something only your mouth can enjoy any longer - indirectly your eyes will get a treat as well.

Also, cows are such assholes. Eat hay, fart, lactate, sleep, eat, shit, die = cow's life. They don't have to do any of the boring, unavoidable stuff us humans have to do, like work or pay taxes. Therefor, barbeque that son-of-a-bitch and show it who's who. And by giving the cow final middle finger, don't pay any respect to it afterwards. What I mean is, don't make any kind of memorial to the animal. Which includes taking a picture of it. Just eat it and get on with your life. The cow is unworthy pictures. It's meant to fill your stomach, not your heart.
Well I didn't enter Licurg's giveaway so I'll enter here for Wing Commander, many thanks

I must admit that it was rather clever of him to ask for pictures of dead animals, look at what kind of ruckus that caused with some people

some people can say that it's wrong but as long as he doesn't step over the "against forum rules" line, let him do what he wants, it's his giveaway afterall
Post edited November 16, 2012 by Roman5
I think people exaggerate with their reaction to this topic! Shouldn't take this so seriously. Now, since I did not like the other topic I only read the first page when it was created but I did not see the backlash I'm seeing to this topic. And that's weird to say the least.

I mean, I didn't start commenting on that topic about how I disliked it. To each his own I guess. But I am supporting this topic as it's more inline with my own views. So why can't people just show support, rather then be assholes and look for an argument?

Anyway, here are some older pictures of my cats! Edit: Well, one of my cats as the forums don't seem to want two attachments....
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Post edited November 16, 2012 by Aningan
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Bavarian: The winner will be chosen after my fancy, a while after the uncool Sacrifice giveaway ended.
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Bavarian: I was looking out for a suitable occasion to launch a somehow-themed giveway for some time now, and Licurg's thread was perfect to refer to. Maybe the light humorous undertone didn't shine through enough in my first post. My bad.
riding the currents of your "light humorous undertone" :
since you stated in the first post your contest ends after the 'uncool' contest ends. . .
i will officially withdraw my participation from the 'uncool' contest (after i lose), and i join the much 'cool'-er contest, and i show my most genuine regret.

in the immortal words of Dwight Schrute: "i state my regret."

i agree requesting photos of dead animals is not cool, and any one who reads this know that if you decide to request photos of dead animals in the future i do not think your request is cool.

in all seriousness,
- it would cross the line if anyone requests for animals to get tortured, or requests fresh killings for criteria to enter a contest.
- i would never wish ill on any animals. i eat animals, thats not going to change but that doesnt mean they could or should be treated poorly while they are living.
(like the previous US distributors of McDonald's chicken and egg products, where certain employees of theirs would not administer painkillers to the chickens before their beaks were altered so the chickens wouldnt harm one another/peak one another to death. odds are good the nefarious employees stole the painkillers to profit off it at the animal's pain, they had videos of them grossly mistreating the chickens for fun on top of the first part. the supplier got dropped, rightly after their disgusting treatment of animals.)
- it would be way beyond the line to request photos of dead people. obviously, and no one has requested this.
- anyone who lost pets/animal friends: sorry for your loss.
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interested in winning:
Wing Commander 3
Fallout 2
Sacrifice
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Requesting to post dead animals to enter a contest in a general-interest forum is stupid and evil. Gore, blood and corpses upset people. If you're going to upset people, you need to have a good reason to do it, otherwise fuck the fuck off.

That being said, there are a number of arguments made in both threads which are wrong, and I cannot let that slide.

1. "Animals are better than people." WRONG. Nothing is better than people.
This is why eating cute animals is okay, and testing and experimenting on animals is awesome.

2. "If you eat pigs, you must be willing to kill a pig." WRONG. People are, in general, disgusted by blood and gore. To steal a great counterexample, you don't demand that someone in need of an appendectomy watch an appendectomy without losing their lunch.

3. "These threads are divisive and evil and they should be shut down because they'll split the community." WRONG. Are you saying that GOG vs Steam, sane people vs. Austrian school, Halo vs CoD, Mac vs Linux are not divisive?

4. "It's within the rules, so I can't disapprove of it." SUPER WRONG. You totally can, that's half the point of having rules in the first place.

5. "You should know people's intentions before judging them." WRONG. Corpses are overwhelmingly disgusting to a majority of people. The only reason a person can be forgiven for not considering that well-known fact is having a mental condition. You can't know people's intentions - or anything at all, really - with 100% certainty. The completeness threshold for a public expression of disapproval is fairly low. Dammit people, you're gamers, how can you not know this basic stuff?

6. "Only psychopaths consider depictions of death and killing fun." HELLO. YOU'RE ON A GAMING FORUM.

7. "zOMG look at that cute fluffy ball of love! How could you kill it?" Appealing to known fallacies (personification, and lack of a sense of scale) is arguing in bad faith.

8. "Animals are being killed all the time, there's nothing to be shocked about, you need to face reality, blah blah awareness etc" People shit, too. I don't want to see pictures of shit. Tolerance for things generally considered disgusting is not a virtue, and "raising awareness" is just another word for a PR campaign and also not a virtue.

9. "There's a war going on, and you got your panties in a bunch about animals which are already dead." Inconclusive. Here's my spin on it: I am angry at the other thread's OP for creating an issue out of dead animals while there's a war going on.

10 (edit, 12:04pm GMT) Appealing to Kant is never okay, because Kant did not care about factual correctness, and parading that offensive hack as proof will always weaken your evidence-based arguments.

11. (preemptively) "zomg censorship!" WRONG. Disapproval is NOT censorship, it's exactly what people do when there is no censorship.

12. edit 9pm GMT: "Making a giveaway means you're automatically not a douchebag." Obviously WRONG.

13. edit 9pm GMT: "Torture rapes the soul" WRONG. Souls are fictional.

brb sleep.

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Aningan: Anyway, here are some older pictures of my cats! Edit: Well, one of my cats as the forums don't seem to want two attachments....
Post the other cat in a separate post. That's some hardcore cute right there. Moar.
Post edited November 16, 2012 by Starmaker
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Aningan: Edit: Well, one of my cats as the forums don't seem to want two attachments....
You just have to prod the post again to get it to show up. Remove the non-visible attachment, then re-add it.