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Zurvan7: I don't get it so what DOES the special edition actually do? Cause the director's cut of Deus Ex had more going on...
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Ghorpm: AFAIK bug fixes plus "Exclusive audio comment featuring 'Poki' and Marco Hüllen, the game's writers" and some new achievements... and that's for 5 bucks for limited time only (three months)

Oh boy, oh boy, aren't you excited to get? It's just splendid, isn't it?

sarcasm mode off...
honestly i can't find nowhere the new version will have bug fixed ;

here what the officiat announcement on daedelic site :

"On May 6th, Daedalic Entertainmen will release a Special Edition of their highly acclaimed point & click adventure The Whispered World. Additionally to the original game, this new edition will include exclusive contents, such as audio comments, featuring the games’ authors Jan ‘Poki’ Mueller-Michaelis and Marco Huellen, a completely overhauled tutorial as well as new achievements.

The The Whispered World - Special Edition will be released digitally worldwide for PC and Mac for US$19.99/ €19.99. It will feature English, German and Russian voice overs as well as subtitles in French, Italian, Spanish and Polish.

Players who already own the digital version of The Whispered World on Steam, will have the opportunity to purchase all new digital contents of the Special Edition at US$ 5.00/ €5.00 within the first three months after release.

Currently Daedalic Entertainment is working on the sequel Silence – The Whispered World II, which is scheduled to be released in the beginning of 2015."

1 - Only Steam is mentionned for the "opportunity", but well ....gog removed the original one....

2 - The "overhaul" , will probably introcuding new bugs (i hope no gamebreaking)

SO, i reserve my comment when the new version will be on GOG , and how the owners of the original version, will be "eaten" :P. But i have a bad feeling judging the history with Edna & Harvey....
Post edited May 04, 2014 by DyNaer
I guess this shows us, deep inside some indie developers, there is a little EA living inside of them just waiting to come out..
Post edited May 04, 2014 by monkeydelarge
So aside from DEPONIA, being the title that earned them the cult following they have, what have they done, and what's the other controversies?
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Darvond: So aside from DEPONIA, being the title that earned them the cult following they have, what have they done, and what's the other controversies?
Two of the other controversies:
a) No original language (German) for the DRM-free version of Goodbye Deponia on GOG. Bad thing here is that they lied in the past and said they would love to give their customers on GOG the German versions of their games (e.g. Chains of Satinav, Night of the Rabbit) as well, but they are not allowed by their publisher. For Deponia 3 they were their own publisher and acted opposite to the things that they said in the past.

http://www.gog.com/forum/deponia_series/deponia_3_in_german

b) The splitting of the Edna & Harvey bundle on GOG. Instead of $19.99 you now have to pay $34.98 if you want both games here. Of course it's their good right to raise the price for their games, but I doubt that it is a clever move if the games are already a few years old and were sold as a bundle for a long time already.

http://www.gog.com/forum/edna_harvey/edna_harvey_the_breakout_harveys_new_eyes_are_now_two_separate_products
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Darvond: So aside from DEPONIA, being the title that earned them the cult following they have, what have they done, and what's the other controversies?
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PaterAlf: Two of the other controversies:
a) No original language (German) for the DRM-free version of Goodbye Deponia on GOG. Bad thing here is that they lied in the past and said they would love to give their customers on GOG the German versions of their games (e.g. Chains of Satinav, Night of the Rabbit) as well, but they are not allowed by their publisher. For Deponia 3 they were their own publisher and acted opposite to the things that they said in the past.

http://www.gog.com/forum/deponia_series/deponia_3_in_german

b) The splitting of the Edna & Harvey bundle on GOG. Instead of $19.99 you now have to pay $34.98 if you want both games here. Of course it's their good right to raise the price for their games, but I doubt that it is a clever move if the games are already a few years old and were sold as a bundle for a long time already.

http://www.gog.com/forum/edna_harvey/edna_harvey_the_breakout_harveys_new_eyes_are_now_two_separate_products
To the first one:
Please go on Deadalic forums and start complaining. I won´t say SPAM THEM, but it might be an idea.
They have to be AWARE that this problem is still not fixed and up to now Deponia III is still not availible in german or any other synchronisation than english! (although availible on many other digital stores)
Remind them. I´ve done this before, but forum is nearly dead so RISE THAT CORPSE and send it after them!

To the second one:
I think that´s O.K. It´s only pricing, so they are ruining their own sales. Not that big problem, the games will soon be off 75% at sales anyway!
And, really, they just wanted to have the same price as on other digital distributioners so it´s somehow even fair...


Oh, forget to post the link to Deponia-Subforum:
http://forum.daedalic.de/viewforum.php?f=168&sid=c643ca959a1e4403eaa3127ae013df60
Post edited May 05, 2014 by RadonGOG
Every 5.99 and 9.99 bundle here, the devs will now split the games apart to double and triple the price? No thanks.
Might and Magic 6-pack could be 6x $9.99 :( Scary, scary indeed.

I can understand them spliting it then adding content or sound tracks to increase the price.
That is actually the only way I'll take a price increase, more content. If its only a patch to fix existing known game breaking bugs... that is wrong on so many levels.

Why is there never a recall on digital goods? There should be, and people should be allowed to get money back for broken or unworking digital products.
Sadly our laws are not up-to-date for digital goods yet. For now developers and publishers have zero consequences for their actions.

Steam is worse on so many levels which I won't get into, lets just say if you somehow get a refund for anything, they will bann your account.
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Titanium: I take it that the bugs were so huge that they actually had to invest some serious man-hours to patch them out, now obviously they want to cover this loss. Can't say I blame them, although this is a bit dickish on their part.
Yes, now they have a product that actually works. Anyone that buys it now won't be screaming for their money back. For those that did not demand money back, giving them a working copy is the right thing to do, wouldn't you say? And what about the revenue they received from selling a broken product? Hey, they knew it was broken AND continued to sell it on Steam anyway...
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Titanium: I take it that the bugs were so huge that they actually had to invest some serious man-hours to patch them out, now obviously they want to cover this loss. Can't say I blame them, although this is a bit dickish on their part.
Sorry, but i support Momo , on this point, IF a product is not working properly the devs have to fix it free of charge to the customers

That's the miminum to do , and that's how customers should be respected.
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DyNaer: That's the miminum to do , and that's how customers should be respected.
Why should customers be respected like that if they don't demand to be??

When customers willingly relinquish their rights, IMO they don't deserve the respect. If businesses could get away with charging you for the right to breathe every breath of air, they would. And if enough people willingly go along with that, then IMO they deserve to owe for every breath of air they take.
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DyNaer: That's the miminum to do , and that's how customers should be respected.
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OldFatGuy: Why should customers be respected like that if they don't demand to be??

When customers willingly relinquish their rights, IMO they don't deserve the respect. If businesses could get away with charging you for the right to breathe every breath of air, they would. And if enough people willingly go along with that, then IMO they deserve to owe for every breath of air they take.
What are you speaking of ? i speak about the GOG version , which according to Momo & some others have bugs aswell.

The devs were aware of the problem => their solution was to use a savegame to bypass a bug instead of fixing it..Basically they didn't move a finger to solve the problem definitly in the past . And what proof the new version won't have new bugs ? nothing.

About the Steam version, i 'm aware about Valve wash their hands if the products they distribute on their platform have such issue, better to contact the devs than the Steam support for a problem like this one.
Post edited May 04, 2014 by DyNaer
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zavlin: The point is NOT whether its possible to happen. Its the implication that one is the eventual consequence of the other. Sigh.
There is no connection between gay marriage and animal marriage - there is a reason it is called a fallacy. There is a clear connection, that anyone with any experience of businesses or the slightest hint of knowledge about economics will know about, in what businesses do in the future compared to what they get away with/makes them a profit in the past.

Trying to link these things has made you look like one of those "idiots" you mentioned, or at least sound like one, and they are not worth listening to.
Post edited May 04, 2014 by mabrookes
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DyNaer: That's the miminum to do , and that's how customers should be respected.
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OldFatGuy: Why should customers be respected like that if they don't demand to be??

When customers willingly relinquish their rights, IMO they don't deserve the respect. If businesses could get away with charging you for the right to breathe every breath of air, they would. And if enough people willingly go along with that, then IMO they deserve to owe for every breath of air they take.
I have posted on the Steam forum. I will be contacting Daedalic directly - in fact I suspect that my comments about their selling a broken product on Steam might have spurred them into acting to fix it - dunno. So yeah, I've been pretty clear that they were selling a broken product... have they contacted me with more than some "save files" to get through Chapter 2? Nope... to that, I call foul! But I will give them another chance to make good... especially since I read that I'll need save games for ALL of the rest of the chapters :-(

This is just a clear slap in the face by greedy devs. When and if they ever make good to those that own their broken piece of a game, I'll gladly eat Tet's hat and crow about how great Daedalic is...

But what part of treating your customer base like crap is good PR. What part of it is GOOD for business? I direct you to the original Starr ;-p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01-2pNCZiNk

Oh wait, that wasn't good enough for you? have another...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn91L9goKfQ
Post edited May 04, 2014 by Momo1991
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Titanium: I take it that the bugs were so huge that they actually had to invest some serious man-hours to patch them out, now obviously they want to cover this loss. Can't say I blame them, although this is a bit dickish on their part.
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DyNaer: Sorry, but i support Momo , on this point, IF a product is not working properly the devs have to fix it free of charge to the customers

That's the miminum to do , and that's how customers should be respected.
this really should apply to all games. I mean tiny leftover bugs are annoying but if what she says is true having to use saves , the original product is pretty much broken and really not fit for sale in the first place and should have been fixed as a priority. Making customers use workarounds and having to pay for something which should be fixed for free is a joke......
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Momo1991: I have posted on the Steam forum. I will be contacting Daedalic directly - in fact I suspect that my comments about their selling a broken product on Steam might have spurred them into acting to fix it - dunno. So yeah, I've been pretty clear that they were selling a broken product... have they contacted me with more than some "save files" to get through Chapter 2? Nope... to that, I call foul! But I will give them another chance to make good... especially since I read that I'll need save games for ALL of the rest of the chapters :-(

This is just a clear slap in the face by greedy devs. When and if they ever make good to those that own their broken piece of a game, I'll gladly eat Tet's hat and crow about how great Daedalic is...

But what part of treating your customer base like crap is good PR. What part of it is GOOD for business? I direct you to the original Starr ;-p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01-2pNCZiNk

Oh wait, that wasn't good enough for you? have another...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn91L9goKfQ
And good on you for all of that. But all one has to do is read this very thread to discover who I was talking about when it comes to consumers who willingly refuse to demand such respect. And, unfortunately, it is apparent to me that consumers like you and me are the exception, while consumers like my comment spoke of are the rule.

There's absolutely no justification whatsoever for selling a broken game, then "fixing it", and then charging those you sold the borked game to more money, EVEN IF IT ADDS CONTENT. That's an unacceptable way of doing business, yet just read this very thread at how many are defending exactly that.

So I ask again, when so many consumers aren't willing to demand to be treated with respect, why should businesses treat them with any?
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OldFatGuy: And good on you for all of that. But all one has to do is read this very thread to discover who I was talking about when it comes to consumers who willingly refuse to demand such respect. And, unfortunately, it is apparent to me that consumers like you and me are the exception, while consumers like my comment spoke of are the rule.

There's absolutely no justification whatsoever for selling a broken game, then "fixing it", and then charging those you sold the borked game to more money, EVEN IF IT ADDS CONTENT. That's an unacceptable way of doing business, yet just read this very thread at how many are defending exactly that.

So I ask again, when so many consumers aren't willing to demand to be treated with respect, why should businesses treat them with any?
No, there is no justification to sell a broken product ; and furthermore none to pay for an "enhanced version" like this one , which i repeat has no guarantee to fix anything.

I only own this game on GOG, but i don't want to pay for a patch.

With Steam you need to contact the devs to have a chance to get some support , with GOG as far i know you just have to contact the support. Contacting devs wouldn't hurt, but since GOG have their own packages....

To sum up if devs doesn't really care of a product they have made (aka not fixing what's broken) , and sell an upgraded version instead, I really don't want to continue to buy their product in the future.
Post edited May 04, 2014 by DyNaer