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zavlin: And saying that this would somehow lead to them doing things like charging to see an ending, is a complete logical fallacy.
Yeah, because saying how consumers react to changes in the way things are marketed has an affect on possible future changes in the way things are marketed is totally a logical fallacy. Everyone knows businesses don't base future decisions on how consumers reacted in the past.
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OldFatGuy: Yeah, because saying how consumers react to changes in the way things are marketed has an affect on possible future changes in the way things are marketed is totally a logical fallacy. Everyone knows businesses don't base future decisions on how consumers reacted in the past.
no, seriously. It is. Its like when idiots say if gay marriage is legalized, then animal marriage legalization is next.
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zavlin: the whispered world is broken? Is this specific to the gog version? I've only played the disc version of the game and i didnt experience any bugs at all. Not one.
*snip*
AFAIK this is specific to the Steam version, at least i remember a few people complaining that the Steam version is broken. I don't know if this is also true for the GOG version...
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OldFatGuy: Is this why the game was pulled from here?

If so, another GOOD FOR YOU gog.

*clapping*
I don't think it was GOG that pulled it, more likely Daedalic requested it ahead of releasing the new edition.

In all fairness, I can't really fault them for trying to make some extra money out of some bonus content. Not patching the bugs, though, that's a surefire way to alienate your fanbase. DLC and expansions only work if customers are satisfied with the original product. Now, with the bad publicity and somewhat distorted facts, it's likely to be even worse for them.
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OldFatGuy: Yeah, because saying how consumers react to changes in the way things are marketed has an affect on possible future changes in the way things are marketed is totally a logical fallacy. Everyone knows businesses don't base future decisions on how consumers reacted in the past.
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zavlin: no, seriously. It is. Its like when idiots say if gay marriage is legalized, then animal marriage legalization is next.
Yes it is like that. Good point. When a significant/majority number of citizens/voters demanded gay marriage be legalized, it began to become legalized. If a significant/majority number of citizens/voters ever demanded animal marriage be legalized, no possible way it would ever happen, right?
Post edited May 04, 2014 by OldFatGuy
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OldFatGuy: Is this why the game was pulled from here?

If so, another GOOD FOR YOU gog.

*clapping*
It was Daedalic that requested it to be removed. GOG will likely be accepting the new edition back on due to them wanting to maintain a relationship with this publisher. And they're likely not going to give it for free to existing owners on GOG unless GOG says they have to.
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zavlin: no, seriously. It is. Its like when idiots say if gay marriage is legalized, then animal marriage legalization is next.
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OldFatGuy: Yes it is like that. Good point. When a significant/majority number of citizens/voters demanded gay marriage be legalized, it began to become legalized. If a significant/majority number of citizens/voters ever demanded animal marriage be legalized, no possible way it would ever happen, right?
The point is NOT whether its possible to happen. Its the implication that one is the eventual consequence of the other. Sigh.
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zavlin: the whispered world is broken? Is this specific to the gog version? I've only played the disc version of the game and i didnt experience any bugs at all. Not one.
I had many problems with gog version, momo had problems with drm-free version and Steam:
http://www.gog.com/forum/general/owners_of_the_whispered_world_will_have_to_pay_to_get_a_patch_steam/post27
Even though there are some people that don't have any problems we can be sure that it's not uncommon problem.

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zavlin: Price opinions are completely subjective. To me, it is a full game, its worth $20 if youve never bought it before, period. I will of course continue to buy their games, because what matters most to me is: the games. I couldnt care less about whether theyr selling commentary for $5. And saying that this would somehow lead to them doing things like charging to see an ending, is a complete logical fallacy.
Please read once again my previous post (yeah, I know it was too long - sorry for that ;) I've said there that it's NOT the matter of money. I just think that they treat their customers badly. And it happened several times already. There are a lot of people who feel the same. You don't and that's fine, everybody is entitled to his/her own opinion. I'm not even trying to convince you, I respect your point of view. But in your previous post you wrote that we are looking for a reason to be angry. I just wanted to explain my point of view, nothing else.

About logical fallacy - once again I have to ask you to read again my previous post. I didn't say that it WILL happen (that would obviously be a fallacy), I only said that I (personally!) think that such an absurdity MAY happen in future. That's a huge difference. I even wrote there that most probably it won't happen at all, instead I'm expecting something not extreme but still rather annoying. I used this exaggerated example to show that I don't trust them anymore but you're right - I should have formulated it differently. It does sound too hysterical ;)
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MaximumBunny: It was Daedalic that requested it to be removed. GOG will likely be accepting the new edition back on due to them wanting to maintain a relationship with this publisher. And they're likely not going to give it for free to existing owners on GOG...
And then it will be the last penny Daedalic ever gets from me.

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zavlin: The point is NOT whether its possible to happen. Its the implication that one is the eventual consequence of the other. Sigh.
No, the point is that the two are NOT completely unconnected, despite your wishing they were. If you agree to pay $5 extra for bug fixes/commentary, then it DOES have an affect on whether buying an ending becomes a reality. It doesn't mean it becomes de facto done (THAT'S the logical fallacy) but it DOES have the effect of making it more likely just as having single game huge sales success for always on DRM doesn't mean it's a done deal that all games will eventually have always on DRM, but it DOES mean it's more likely that one day all games will.
Post edited May 04, 2014 by OldFatGuy
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OldFatGuy: Yes it is like that. Good point. When a significant/majority number of citizens/voters demanded gay marriage be legalized, it began to become legalized. If a significant/majority number of citizens/voters ever demanded animal marriage be legalized, no possible way it would ever happen, right?
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zavlin: The point is NOT whether its possible to happen. Its the implication that one is the eventual consequence of the other. Sigh.
Exactly! And in my post I never implied that "paying for an ending" will be a consequence of the current situation. I merely talked about the possibility and a very small one. But as I've said above - it's my fault because this comparison was indeed too confusing. Sorry for that once again ;)
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Ghorpm: About logical fallacy - once again I have to ask you to read again my previous post. I didn't say that it WILL happen (that would obviously be a fallacy), I only said that I (personally!) think that such an absurdity MAY happen in future. That's a huge difference. I even wrote there that most probably it won't happen at all, instead I'm expecting something not extreme but still rather annoying. I used this exaggerated example to show that I don't trust them anymore but you're right - I should have formulated it differently. It does sound too hysterical ;)
Well, if it is the case that the game is very bugged and the only way theyr supplying fixes is through this upgrade, then i agree, that sucks of them. But i would wait until the dust settles and the edition is released before judging them too harshly, they may offer solutions. I did feel this way about the deus ex HR "special edition", which largely made fixes to the bosses that should have been there to begin with.
And sure it may happen in the future that they sell an "ending patch" to a game, but as you know, if it does it will be completely unrelated to whether or not this special edition happened. And using speculation of such for your argument is what i found a problem with... even if it was only suggested (and out of understandable frustration :) ).
If daedalic ever does do somthing that dumb i'd judge them for it at that time. ;)
Until then, i very much look forward to titles like whispered world 2, and randal's monday.
Post edited May 04, 2014 by zavlin
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piwer: (...)
Personally after this cheap crap they won't see any money from me again.
I appreciate the things you´ve said at the other parts of your post.

But total disrespect for this part! The reason why I think so is easy:
Such an opinion leads to crazy behaviour. Know what? Ubisoft introduced DRM in nearly all of their products around 2008/2009 and folks stated the same like you are doing now.
And what did they do when Ubisoft games out of that time arrived at GOG? They we´re still boycotting Ubi---so they didn´t buy it, they we´re telling you Ubi only wants to draw you into their series!
This simply DOES NOT MAKE ANY FUCKING SENSE! If you are against something and it´s changed into something that you don´t dislike you have to support this change!
I´d instabuy MassEffect Series if EA would rerelease them here. The past doesn´t matter as long as the goals you we´re aming for are reached!

So:
Do NEVER SAY EVER! And this part is not better "they won't see any money from me again"!
If we want GOG to become really influent and successfull we just have to do one thing:
Critice everything thats bad and support everything what´s good BUT WITHOUT ANY PREJUDICE!


I hope you´ve got my point and if I was able to convince you (what is actually what I´m aming for), so please edit your post in "if they continue on their way, they won´t see any money from me again. But they have a chance to stop at any time."
RadonGOG, I do the exact same thing I consistently buy any and every title released by Activision, Ubisoft, Atari(and now Tommo and co) and EA on GOG. But I never buy any Ubisoft title on Uplay or EA title on Origin for example.
Paying for what really amounts to a patch.... when those bugs should have been originally fixed. How can people really be happy doing that?.
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Ghorpm: About logical fallacy - once again I have to ask you to read again my previous post. I didn't say that it WILL happen (that would obviously be a fallacy), I only said that I (personally!) think that such an absurdity MAY happen in future. That's a huge difference. I even wrote there that most probably it won't happen at all, instead I'm expecting something not extreme but still rather annoying. I used this exaggerated example to show that I don't trust them anymore but you're right - I should have formulated it differently. It does sound too hysterical ;)
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zavlin: Well, if it is the case that the game is very bugged and the only way theyr supplying fixes is through this upgrade, then i agree, that sucks of them. But i would wait until the dust settles and the edition is released before judging them too harshly, they may offer solutions. I did feel this way about the deus ex HR "special edition", which largely made fixes to the bosses that should have been there to begin with.
And sure it may happen in the future that they sell an "ending patch" to a game, but as you know, if it does it will be completely unrelated to whether or not this special edition happened. And using speculation of such for your argument is what i found a problem with... even if it was only suggested (and out of understandable frustration :) ).
If daedalic ever does do somthing that dumb i'd judge them for it at that time. ;)
Until then, i very much look forward to titles like whispered world 2, and randal's monday.
Actually I'm not judging them because of the current incident. What bothers me is that there is already a long series of their questionable decisions.

You know what's really sad and kinda ironic? Not long time ago Daedelic Entertainment donated one of their games to Charity Promo organized by GOG (link). And yes, that game was nothing else then The Whispered World...