That's utterly bullshit !
Gersen kept denying what was written by GOG so of course I kept writing - and also I were rather upset
And as MarkoH01 have tried to point out to you then people like I feel lied to and disappointed in GOG...
But I have thought a lot about this and to today I realized something...
All of what is happening here is so beneath GOG /to act this way).....
None of this is really about the GOG.com Downloader , NO ! , it's all about GOG Galaxy and about pushing (well more like trying to force) GOG Galaxy down peoples throats....
If it were not then GOG would have given us much better alternatives for download when retiring the GOG.com Downloader. As I have suggested earlier here then GOG could have given us easy access to downloading our game files by making Zip files that contained it all that we then could download with any old download manager.
But they would much rather 'push' the idea of Galaxy - which they didn't ask for our advice for when making !
GOG Galaxy has become too much about emulating Steams social networking success by GOG launching their bid for the best 'client' program...
And in this matter here then GOG act like if they think that we really do not need to download our DRM-Free game files when they have offered us GOG Galaxy (I have zero interest in having that discussion)
As written earlier then I do understand why GOG do what they do but I just don't thnk that they should act with so little dis-regard and so little respect towards their old 'core-customers' not even if they are getting new more 'modern' customers that will be completely satisfied with settling for what GOG Galaxy gives them....

Also l have little interest in discussing GOG vs Steam when it comes to 'client' programs as well as I have very little interest in discussing GOG's present Galaxy plans and what not. I will leave all that to GOG and to those who want to use (waste) their time on that discussion...
I use Steam also myself and I have even more games there than I have on GOG , but despite what ever Steam have to offer then I would rather have my games DRM-Free - and able to run newer OS' though they may not have been designed for such. And that's why I use GOG also , for my DRM-Free downloads - and GOG ought to keep that in mind...

Anyway , all this forth and back about all of this appear to be mostly a waste of time since in the end GOG do what GOG it self / them selves wants to do - if they didn't we wouldn't have this whole discussion...
Thank you very much for being so kind as trying to 'defend me' , that was very kind of you , thank you ! :-)

Thanks for the civil and well written reply(with some thoughts for me to think about when replying)...that said, a reply back in kind:
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I get some of that(you being upset/etc), and somewhat respect anyone who stands for something as you are(even if I disagree with the stance in some way or for some reason).

As for being disappointed in GOG:

Personally, I think(if I may be open here) that you(and a few others) were too optimistic and loving of GOG, which caused some of you to be blindsided when the truth hit(That GOG is a business like any other, not our friends, and likely going to do things we dislike on occasion to serve it's best interest and/or bottom line). I get it, wanting to believe something is above the normality of the mundane world and a guiding beacon in some way(an example for others to emulate and look up to)....but as we can see such "blind" optimism does little but cause some of us to get burned more readily and deeply in the end.

It's why I try to remain realistic with slight hints of optimism for most things, rather than being overly optimistic or pessimistic.

That's just it....it's sadly not beneath them(when compared to businesses in general)....GOG is a business, and likely to be beholden to things that happen as businesses grow and evolve.

I disagree...they have had ample chances to move everyone to galaxy(even slowly) over the years and didn't do so.....imo it is much more likely they are just "cutting the fat"(client wise) to move anyone they can to galaxy 2.0, but not everyone to galaxy 2.0.

What if someone wants to DL only some extras and not all of them? Doing as you suggest and removing individual extras DLs would mean people would need to DL everything in a game extras package to get what they want...which wouldn't be ideal for some.

Businesses(some) have to do that, though....they literally(by law) have to maximize shareholder profits in some countries....and most businesses want to make money.

(I agree they should be nicer to their customer base, if they can, though)

Agreed

Agreed as well....though I wish it wasn't this way(and that GOG cared a bit more about the customer base).
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All the above said, I support efforts to improve GOG on the whole(I just see GOG DLer as nor worth bringing back for a few users, and would rather a new alterative be made, if GOG chose to do so), so kudos to you and everyone else trying to keep them more honest and trying to get them to improve.

Later, all.

You make some good points here.

Still, for the people willing to use it or okay with it(I know that's not everyone) it still works in that capacity(a downloader) somewhat.....so it could be an alternative to some of those who used DLer and don't mind galaxy.....although, of course, a better alternative(less bloated for some who need it be be lighter, etc) would be good for others.

I'll just say again that, regardless of what your intent is, that is what you are in effect doing. You're a very good (for them) lightning rod for GOG, and for the powers that be / status quo in general, relentlessly defending them from anyone trying to push back and redirecting a fair amount of the negative "energy" towards yourself.

And since GameRager won't stop, I'll again kindly ask the others to... disengage. As pointless as complaining to GOG on here (or through support) may be, wasting your energy on arguing on the forums with someone so relentlessly determined to make you exhaust yourselves is downright detrimental.

Just wanted to reply to this one bit, to clarify and correct a few things(no need to reply):
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If you're trying somewhat(with this) to say I defend GOG from all critics you'd be wrong....I have often criticized GOG and their actions.

(Aside: Some need to realize that just because I criticize some of their actions on this it doesn't mean I don't support their stances/cause somewhat or that I support GOG on this in the ways they think I do....I actually support the idea of GOG giving an alternate to such people free of galaxy and other things tied to this issue.)

This is good advice, though one correction: I am not trying to make people exhaust themselves(intentionally).....some seem to be letting their emotions on this influence how they read my posts here, and due to that some aren't reading them with a more clear mind.

I should likely dial my discourse back a bit, and not get so invested, but it is on those reading as well(imo) to read what I write as intended & (if not sure on my intent or meaning) ask what I mean(t) before assuming and getting worked up over what is likely a misunderstanding of intent/etc.
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All that said, I wish them well(albeit I wish some would articulate it more civilly).....and that said, I will be off....good luck, to all of you(fwiw).

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Addition(this is just me musing a bit on the subject of how people handle some things in general):

Imho two things need to be addressed in how some people handle communication on this forum and others(and irl) & campaigning for change:
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1. Some people(in general) need to be able to not take all criticism as a personal "attack"....I have noticed this on this forum and elsewhere(so many people who don't take the "safe space" episode of south park's message to heart should try to, imo).

2. Some people also need to be able to know how to get results on things they want to see changed in actual productive ways, or at least be able to admit to themselves(if they can't or won't try such methods) when what they're doing is likely to be ineffective(to effect the change they desire).

(In this case, a forum thread & a wishlist isn't cutting it.....now if it became a bigger outcry in the right places than maybe we could see some change re: the site and company)

Yes, you are too optimistic.

(Feel free to quote this post in a couple of months in case they have actually implemented a proper, useful update notification system by that time. I'm highly doubtful, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong - the upside to being a pessimist! ;P )

I'd also gladly like to be proven wrong on this and other things....it's just that pesky thing called reality(and also odds of bad vs good things happening in various cases) has a tendency to rear it's ugly head one too many times in life.

Excuse me ! , when did I say that it were wrong that there are links for people to download everything separately ?
I just asked for another link with one zip file with it all! - and that I only did because they removed the possibility of using the GOG.com Downloader.... GOG needs their own version of the 'bulk downloader' and that is what the GOG.com Downloader. was so IMO then GOG needs to replace the functionality of the GOG.com Downloader. if they want to retire the program !!!!
You start to really annoy me and I can understand why some people say that you are blindly defending GOG. I shouldn't have to have this discussion with you, if you are a customer here and not GOG's errand boy then you would understand such things and understand that it's good for business when comes to serve the customers that wants their DRM-Free downloads. But as I already pointed out then it appears as if GOG wants to limit peoples ability to download their DRM FREE purchases other than if they are willing to use the GOG Galaxy client....
Otherwise, in the past GOG often has been a rather customer-centric company but this here is a really bad move for them...

Now please stop bothering me , I am bored by having to keep defending myself here because I have written a message to GOG. Anyway , I do not want to have the conversation with the hired help even if that is what businesses do (send the hired help) (I am sure you will argue!)
(I do not want to have to keep this discussion up here with fanboys , the hired help of the hired help or whatever !)

It's not too optimistic that they might do a revamp of the site (again). It is too optimistic, though, that the revamp will be well-handled, totally free of all problems and won't result in people preferring the old look.

Really? As far as I can see it was the first post from FlatLux in this thread. So he should not express what he thinks because others already did?

Of course it is ALSO about venting. There's nothing wrong with venting as well. I am sure when GOG told you that they will take your Galaxy 1 away you were calm and asked really nicely ... no, I doubt that.

As I JUST tried to explain (and failed obviously) it does not matter what you intend to do. You are still doing it.

Or you could simply make things easier and just NOT reply to EVERY single post here ...

Empathy = Zero => Checked.

Okay. You did it. You obviously can't or won't understnd what I am trying to say and why the thing you are doing right now will always be considered to be a bad thing or trolling. I really tried to explain the best I could but now I am done. I will do now like you asked me to do and ignore your posts. I will reply to others but not to yours (thats a thing some like Cavalary already suggested to do and they are right).

First off, I am sorry if I bothered you with my words or came off the wrong way...that said(and just saw you didn't want a reply near the end, after I had written most of this, so I will post it & you can of course ignore it if you want):

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You didn't, and I wasn't saying you did....if it seemed like I was....sorry for that.

That is a good idea/request, and I agree with it 100%.

It is good business to be nice to customers, but also to "trim the fat" when needed to save time and money.....also a decent return on their investment(of work and effort) is also desirable to most businesses.....and it seems(to them) that it sadly wasn't worth the investment in this case.

Tbh I wish it were different, but here we are...and now GOG 1.2 is gone as well.

That's the problem with many companies....they get big and the money and such influences them....i've seen it happen many times over, more than I care to admit.

If I may be open here, you seem to be letting emotion cloud how you read what I write, and letting it also influence your reply in an adverse manner...that said a reply:

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I was talking in general, NOT about that user.

You are a smart user, so you should know this. So then why assume(or act like) I was trying to silence anyone(in this case that user)?

I agree there is nothing wrong in venting....I do it sometimes as well.....I was just trying to muse on why some likely post such here and elsewhere.

Also I don't use galaxy 1, but I get your point somewhat.

If people can post what they want, over and over(I mean in general, not specific users), then I should be able to as well....otherwise it is not fair to all who want or choose to speak(if only those with one set of stances or opinions can voice them and not many others can).

I don't...there were periods when I ignored many of the posts here.

Also how does it make it easier for the movement/etc for me to not reply to posts here? Will GOG magically change it's mind or will the people here band together and get what they want if I stop posting? Do you truly believe that?

I ask honestly: Are you trying to guilt trip me, silence me, or paint me the bad guy with this?

If so, that is imo an unfair tactic.

So are you saying intent doesn't matter anymore, if something upsets someone or is seen the wrong way than what was intended?

Also I am somewhat sure I did understand you....I just feel like replying to posts and I should be able to do so** IF I am civil in doing so.

(**=As I also believe it is right for others to be able to state how they feel about the removal of the GOG DLer)

Fair enough.
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All that said, I wish you'd give me the same consideration you give all those who have been asking in earnest to get the GOG DLer back(or get an alternate), and not ask me to not talk at all.

(Forgot this bit)As to not as many joining this movement, here are some of my theories as to why that is so:

Imo it's likely due IN PART to how some people are treated(somewhat badly in some cases, imo) if they don't fully agree with all points posited and held by those who want the DLer back or if they offer any criticism on the movement, and some others likely dislike how some in the movement are acting to others and GOG(which has sometimes been not as nice or civil as it could be).

(i.e. some, like me, don't want[or likely don't want] to stand side by side with such people as much or at all given how some others act/post on the topic, or because of how they treat others)

If people want more people to join up and stand in solidarity maybe a little civility on the part of those who want GOG DLer back would likely go a long way.

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To the thread in general/an aside:

Honestly, imo that one episode on South Park was right....people(in general, not just here) seemingly cannot handle criticism as well anymore, and seem to only want "back pats" and "nods of agreement" and "words of solidarity".....and criticism, even if well meaning, is shied away from and/or shunned instead of just taken and used as needed & intended.

I said most of what I have said ITT with good intent, and was very civil for the most part, yet I am seemingly being vilified and derided and subtly told by some to shut up.....just because I go against the grain and don't nod my head in agreement of what others are saying.....which imo is(pardon my french, as the saying goes) "a load of barnacles".

Perhaps others feel the same as you - just standing on the other side of the fence - you know ;-)

Perhaps others feel the same as you with respect to how you feel .
But I agree that you are "being vilified" , but you are in no way without blame in that yourself...
You see , you *DO* understand that others mostly may not agree, you even know that you seriously annoy people and yet you choose to keep it up....
Hmmm , you know , I kind of *do* understand *you* , not that you persist here , but the general idea of standing up for one self and neither accepting to be put down nor to be kept down or whatever. But there is something like "asking for it", and you seem to want to keep up conflict just for the sake of 'standing up for yourself', which I honestly find a bit stupid - at least in this context....
I will advise you to examine/re-examine your motives for doing what you are doing here and why you are doing it...
I have have expressed it more times in this thread - at least in-directly - life is too short for this bull-shit - and you ought to see your own life as too precious as to waste it on matters that you claim to have no stake in and that should matter less to you than what you present here...
I write none of this to be unkind to you , on the contrary I try to be kind...
Anyway , all of this bores me and I find it such a waste of my time and my energy to have to sit and 'reason' with you - all because I wrote a response to a GOG employee in this thread.... Ref. : here
Be nice , play nice and have a really good day :-)

First off....thank you deeply for replying civilly and nicely to me...it is a breath of fresh air and it appreciated....that said a few answers to what you asked and some other replies if I may:

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There likely are, and I get what you mean....I just dislike being insulted(not by you), derided(ditto), etc for speaking my mind in here and others who are much less civil(again not you....others whom have stances that align with those of those who want the DLer back) get defended/praised/etc.....in part it is part of why I keep replying(but not all of why I do it).

And to add insult to injury, people like Calvary and others paint me as a bad guy for merely wanting to be heard & speak my mind(and to vent a bit, same as them) like everyone else here.

(Dunno if I said that right...sometimes I don't speak clearly and get my meaning across....if I made any mistakes in the above or something is unclear, don't hesitate to ask)

There likely are, though I have explained to many of them my intent is good and my words are civil....and I think they should reply with that in mind and do so as civilly as possible(as you are doing here).

As I said(iirc) I don't do it to annoy people.....if people still get annoyed, shouldn't it be in part on them to also try to not let it annoy them? Or do they expect me to walk on eggshells and only agree with them lest I bother them somehow?

(I am honestly asking your thoughts on those questions above)

I also like to talk online and do much of my interactions online(i'm a near hermit irl, even without the current pandemic).....and love to reply to posts(this is also due in part to mental issues that compel me to reply to more than others would reply to).

I also(if I may be open with you on this bit) see some of the actions being done by some as somewhat of a waste and since I care somewhat about people here I don't want some who are actually in denial to remain so and waste their time.....dunno if that makes any sense.

I constantly think about such things, as I have little else to do in life but talk and think....also this is good advice in general.

There are also not many threads that appeal to me atm...that is another reason I reply so much here(plus the above reasons)....also due to all reasons given I tend to reply a lot to threads I find interest in.

And I thank you for trying to be kind and civil.

BTW GOG employee? You mean one of the blues?

And yes, thank you for being nice and civil about all this...it is appreciated more than you will ever know.

(No need to reply....just thought a good, well written, kind reply deserved one in return)