It seems that you're using an outdated browser. Some things may not work as they should (or don't work at all).
We suggest you upgrade newer and better browser like: Chrome, Firefox, Internet Explorer or Opera

×
low rated
avatar
rjbuffchix: What do you gain out of saying this?
It allows me to say what I want to and be heard, same as everyone else here.

On that tack/if I may ask: What do the ones who "yell at the mountain to move" get out of it? I imagine people like me do so for the same reasons and others.

avatar
rjbuffchix: For that matter, wouldn't it be more productive for you to just "move on" from the discussion?
Tbh, I could ask the same of everyone still not willing to let go and move on(the ones posting a ton about it, I mean) as well.

avatar
rjbuffchix: Obviously this is an aggravating enough decision by GOG that users are taking time to get over it, if they even will get over it. Please stop trying to invalidate that position.
Look, I GET that the issue is important to you and others.....those with valid concerns(who state them civilly/correctly) I respect....I more take issue(and not even much of that) with the ones spreading F.U.D. about GOG over this, those saying multiple times they'll stop buying in a "certain" manner, etc.

(As such, I ask that you please respect my right to state my own stance as much as everyone else is stating theirs)

avatar
rjbuffchix: You can't just "DL them as they come". Games are frequently missing update flags, and the ones that do get update flags seem to signify that GALAXY has the updated version, while the "offline backup installer" is likely still out of date. The way to know that it is actually updated? We have to check a user-generated list here, or use a third-party tool. I know I know..."be grateful you at least have that option"...please spare me lol.
I agree they NEED to keep people informed of updates....I am 100% behind you on this.

avatar
rjbuffchix: Ultimately we can only speculate at GOG's motives but surely GOG doesn't want people buying less games...even us second-class non-Galaxy customers.
Let's be honest....they could likely replace the few of us that stop buying with the ones who blindly buy anything and everything.....that sounds uncaring but it's likely the sad truth of the matter.

avatar
rjbuffchix: You can't guarantee that. I don't believe you, and at this point I'm afraid to say I certainly don't believe staff. Did you happen to catch Ashleee's posts in either this topic or the "We do not want to say goodbye" GOG Downloader topic? Staff stated that offline installers will remain available, but did NOT specifically state themselves that browser and third party tools would remain available to download them. This gives GOG the potential "out" to put everything through Galaxy by saying well, you have to use Galaxy to download the installers, but then you can log out and play without Galaxy (not that they would encourage this, mind you). I asked for clarification to those staff responses and of course none was forthcoming, which reduces my confidence in what they're doing even more.
I can't, but at least i'm not spreading FUD/pseudo FUD(even if unintentionally) like some are by stating it as if it's a fact(That GOG WILL make everyone use Galaxy as if they know it as a 100% certainty).

avatar
rjbuffchix: Explain how getting rid of Downloader is "essential".
Dunno 100% as i'm not into/knowledgeable much about that sort of thing, but I would guess it is a slight drain on time/money/manpower(not a lot, but still not 0).

avatar
rjbuffchix: Customers used this tool, it benefited them, now it's gone with nothing replacing it.
From GOG you are right...there is ONLY Galaxy...BUT there ARE other alternatives out there(I collected some in post 130 and others posted more here and there), just not official ones.

avatar
rjbuffchix: Oh but GOG did take time to quickly stop the user workaround I allude to above, so that now Downloader links are not accessible at all, beyond just being hidden.
People should've been smarter/kept their mouths shut & maybe PMd people about it(not posted it in the main forums) then.....staff likely saw it there when that user made an entire thread about it.

avatar
rjbuffchix: P.S.S. If we're so concerned about their financials, then let's advocate dumping the DRMed suspected money-loser Gwent.
Eh, works for me(not into it).....or maybe put ADs into it(if there aren't any there yet) to fund it so others can still play it.
====================================

avatar
halldojo: I would argue that developing galaxy costs a pretty penny, so personally I would rather they focus on something else than wasting time on galaxy.
Many use galaxy, though.....so their money is well invested there(more so than other places, I mean).

I AGREE they should probably cut back on it a bit, though.
Post edited March 19, 2020 by GameRager
avatar
MarkoH01: In opposite to some in my opinion it is always a good thing to "try" and "hope" at least. Without posting it here and kindly asking GOG to listen I can be 100% sure that they won't change a thing. Just by asking my chances get higher ... not much but still. Also there's this thing called hope of which I - being an optimist in general - have quite a lot of. Hope and trust in the good of people. Often in my life I was surprised in a pleasant way because I give people the opportunity to surprise me in that way. This shows me that there is still some good in this world ... and yes, even in this community (which some love to describe as being toxic).
I hear you Marko and you are right, but I'll just say that in regards to trying in hoping they'll listen, you are a better man than I am.

avatar
MarkoH01: Also, adding a simple "delete !Temp" line to something that's presumable kind of a batch file doing the move process of the files is really not a lot to ask. Every half skilled programmer should be able to do this in mere seconds IF he knows about it, so I see a chance here. Maybe implementing checksums and a way to show them might take a bit more time ... don't know tbh, but if I would want to have those I would also not stop asking about them.
Why indeed hasn't that' !Temp file told to scram when all has been downloaded and job done, who knows but I'd like to think that they have more than just half-skilled people on deck at GOG. Heck, I've seen some Goggers here that are a sure way above the half bit, don't think I need to elaborate on that one and foregone conclusions ;-)
avatar
GameRager: Note that I am replying to you with the below posts, but this post also applies to others as well so some of it may be directed at more than just yourself....that said:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Note that I am replying to you with the below posts, but this post also applies to others as well so some of it may be directed at more than just yourself....that said:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

avatar
zaMNal: This is a BAD decision.
avatar
GameRager: Well it's made already, so sadly everyone(including you) needs to move on and either find another method or buy elsewhere....not a good position to be in for some, but that's how it is.
Well it's a dedicated forum topic so I am open to make my remarks. So you need move on from this thread instead pal, and find another topic.

avatar
zaMNal: I (and most people here I presume) have several hundreds of games in the library. And I keep latest offline copies of my games (which WAS one of the major advantages of GOG platform compared to others). Which means very frequent new downloads for my game installers whenever a new update is released.
avatar
GameRager: One can/could(and should.....if they have a good connection/time/etc) always just DL them as they come(as they don't usually all come at once)

Also no one forced anyone here to buy so many games(sounds uncaring but i'm just trying to state the truth of the matter).
That is exactly what I did, WITH the Downloader. Also it is up to me to decide how many games to buy or not to buy. None of your business(sounds uncaring but i'm just trying to state the truth of the matter).

avatar
zaMNal: This is not possible with web-browser, where you have to manually download EACH single file of the installer - NO single click download for a complete game, NO creating of ques. Impossible to conveniently download huge games such as Kingdom Come or Witcher 3.
avatar
GameRager: There are a few other methods available atm listed in this very thread, and likely others here and there....and enterprising users will likely(hopefully) make new ones as time goes on.

That said, the browser DLs help some who dislike galaxy have another method to DL without using it.
There is no need for other methods like scripts, manual dls or batches with Downloader and that's the point that people are raising here.

avatar
zaMNal: And then there is the "optional" Galaxy client, which huge compared to the small Downloader, bad for having at "non-home" computers. Galaxy client is then not as optional as the devs said it was if I want to do what was able to do without using it. Making it one step closer to Steam client (i.e. mandatory). Which means in future users can/will be manipulated by it because there is no way of not using it if you want convenience
avatar
GameRager: Galaxy is still optional(and will remain as such) as long as browser DLs and other alternative methods are a thing.
Optional in your eyes maybe. Browser DL downsides have been listed already. Everything else is more convenience. So there are your options.

As you see, everything can be relative to ones viewing point. Please continue your "monologue" if you're under 13. Good luck.
avatar
zaMNal: I can't imagine GOG going bankrupt or taking huge losses just for appointing 1-2 people to keep the tool running and updated.
avatar
GameRager: Gog makes very slim profits(most extra money comes from CDP/CDPR)......so i'd rather they focus on needed/essential things(and I don't see this as one of them, sorry to all who read this) than extras that a few people want/ask for.
Exactly, focus on needed/essential things instead of removing a perfectly normal running little tool. Removing Galaxy instead would be good for reducing their tasks for sure. See what I did there? Exactly.
Post edited March 19, 2020 by zaMNal
avatar
rjbuffchix: What do you gain out of saying this?
avatar
GameRager: It allows me to say what I want to and be heard, same as everyone else here.

On that tack/if I may ask: What do the ones who "yell at the mountain to move" get out of it? I imagine people like me do so for the same reasons and others.
I don't mind your arguments (and of course you have the right to participate in this as well as any other) but our goals are hardly the same or even comparable. While those that complain about the removal of the Downloader actually have the goal to tell GOG that their decision has more repurcussions than they thought in the hope that GOG might still reconsider their decision those who don't mind the removal already have "won" and so the only reason for arguing for them would be to convince those who complain ... but why? To prevent that GOG would activate the Downloader again? A thing they don't think would happen anyway and something that would not hurt anybody at all (we all "survived" tha past 6 years with Downloader being active ;)).

avatar
GameRager: Let's be honest....they could likely replace the few of us that stop buying with the ones who blindly buy anything and everything.....that sounds uncaring but it's likely the sad truth of the matter.
I am not so sure about that. Of course I also can just assume but those old and loyal customers are usually those that buy a lot more than casual GOGers or those new to GOG because they don't just spend their money to get some games, they spend their money to support GOG. I could stop buying any game right now and I still would have enough to play until I will go six feet under ... I think I even have enough UNPLAYED games to not get bored at all ... but still I buy and buy and buy ... because I still want GOG to stay and be successful. I doubt it will be this way for casual buyers and most new to GOG.

avatar
rjbuffchix: Oh but GOG did take time to quickly stop the user workaround I allude to above, so that now Downloader links are not accessible at all, beyond just being hidden.
avatar
GameRager: People should've been smarter/kept their mouths shut & maybe PMd people about it(not posted it in the main forums) then.....staff likely saw it there when that user made an entire thread about it.
Okay, I am pretty sure that this is not what happened here at all. The "workaround" was nothing new, it was always working, it was the way the adalia fundamentals script was working as well (manufacturing the downloader links the same way). When others and myself reported that Downloader is still working it simply did at the time ... until it did not anymore, I am pretty sure though that this was not because GOG saw the "secret of GOG Downloader still working" posted in a thread, It probably was just the way of the shut down procedure. First remove all those links from the gamepage and when you are done pull the main switch - everything else feels a bit like a conspiracy theory to me.
high rated
avatar
chandra: After announcing that we’re ceasing the active development for GOG Downloader 6 years ago, the time has come to disable it. We put a lot of work into making GOG.COM an up-to-date place for gamers. Supporting GOG Downloader, which became an obsolete tool some time ago, simply does not go hand in hand with the goal we mentioned above.

In a week from now, we will deactivate GOG Downloader entirely, and it won’t be possible to download any files with it. As of the 17th of March, there will be two methods of downloading games from GOG.COM – via the browser or with the GOG GALAXY app. For more information on how to download your games and digital goodies go here.
If I wanted to use an application that checks and update and monitor my games, I would use Steam, which has a much bigger game library than GOG.
In other words, I don't want to use Galaxy and the GOG Downloader was a much better alternative - and it also didn't require to do multiple clicks to get all files from a game.

Why are you killing what is the reason you're alive ?
avatar
chandra: After announcing that we’re ceasing the active development for GOG Downloader 6 years ago, the time has come to disable it. We put a lot of work into making GOG.COM an up-to-date place for gamers. Supporting GOG Downloader, which became an obsolete tool some time ago, simply does not go hand in hand with the goal we mentioned above.

In a week from now, we will deactivate GOG Downloader entirely, and it won’t be possible to download any files with it. As of the 17th of March, there will be two methods of downloading games from GOG.COM – via the browser or with the GOG GALAXY app. For more information on how to download your games and digital goodies go here.
avatar
Akka: If I wanted to use an application that checks and update and monitor my games, I would use Steam, which has a much bigger game library than GOG.
In other words, I don't want to use Galaxy and the GOG Downloader was a much better alternative - and it also didn't require to do multiple clicks to get all files from a game.

Why are you killing what is the reason you're alive ?
Good question. Many of us asked that in one way or the other. We have yet to get an official answer that doesn’t start with: Not true, obsolete, long abandoned, Galaxy has all of that and better etc. Cheers
avatar
deja65: We have yet to get an official answer that doesn’t start with: Not true, obsolete, long abandoned, Galaxy has all of that and better etc. Cheers
Forget it. We all know the reason is Galaxy. They won't say anything than that.
While i have nothing against Galaxy (as long there's a way to get the offline installers), it sux that one option to download the games here is gone.
Post edited March 19, 2020 by M3troid
avatar
TrueMrReset: No GoG-Downloader, no purchases!
I don´t want use Galaxy, and i don´t load 40+GB via Browser.
So no more purchases here until Downloader is aviable again ...
No if ands or buts, I'm with you.
low rated
Threads like this are great for mourning. Anyone know if there will be a wake and/or where to send flowers?
low rated
avatar
zaMNal: Well it's a dedicated forum topic so I am open to make my remarks. So you need move on from this thread instead pal, and find another topic.
My mistakes for not being clear: I meant it more as advice/suggestion than an order......of course everyone is free to talk here.....I just see no point in some of it(i.e. if one's goal is to get GOG to reverse their decision through such posts alone, etc).

avatar
zaMNal: That is exactly what I did, WITH the Downloader. Also it is up to me to decide how many games to buy or not to buy. None of your business(sounds uncaring but i'm just trying to state the truth of the matter).
Well then if you/others do so then complain when you have too many to DL/cannot DL them easily who is at least partially to blame?

(Also fair enough[tossing my line back at me]....though I DID mean what I said with that one bit & wasn't trying to be overly mean to anyone)

avatar
zaMNal: There is no need for other methods like scripts, manual dls or batches with Downloader and that's the point that people are raising here.
Well now there is, so some people need to build that bridge and move over it.....posting post after post on the forums here(while ok to do and within their rights) isn't likely to change things.

avatar
zaMNal: Optional in your eyes maybe.
What I said is technically correct for most(if not nearly all) people, so for now Galaxy is still optional(for SP games).

avatar
zaMNal: Browser DL downsides have been listed already. Everything else is more convenience. So there are your options.
It works for me and many others(although YES, not all)....maybe people could try other browsers?

avatar
zaMNal: As you see, everything can be relative to ones viewing point. Please continue your "monologue" if you're under 13. Good luck.
Was this part really needed?

avatar
zaMNal: Exactly, focus on needed/essential things instead of removing a perfectly normal running little tool. Removing Galaxy instead would be good for reducing their tasks for sure. See what I did there? Exactly.
Thing is you are making a false equivalency.....more people use Galaxy so the manpower/money spent is more justified.
low rated
First off, I wanted to say thanks for being civil here and posting a well written/thought out reply...that said:
----------------------------------------------------------

avatar
MarkoH01: I don't mind your arguments (and of course you have the right to participate in this as well as any other) but our goals are hardly the same or even comparable. While those that complain about the removal of the Downloader actually have the goal to tell GOG that their decision has more repurcussions than they thought in the hope that GOG might still reconsider their decision those who don't mind the removal already have "won" and so the only reason for arguing for them would be to convince those who complain ... but why? To prevent that GOG would activate the Downloader again? A thing they don't think would happen anyway and something that would not hurt anybody at all (we all "survived" tha past 6 years with Downloader being active ;)).
It's less me/some others trying to "win" anything, but more some of us(in my case anyways....dunno about the others) trying to show some that their efforts are likely(though not 100% certain) not worth the time/effort spent posting about such HERE in the forums(and also that there are better ways to try and affect such change....support tickets, emails, social media "campaigns", etc would[imo] likely all work a lot better).

I would ALSO have not minded them keeping it for those that use/want it, but what's done is done(for now or for good...who knows)....and I see little point in stating such over and over here in the forums**, so I mused/posted a bit about that.

(**Just as some others[not you], no doubt, dislike seeing my posts and those of some others over and over in the forums)

avatar
MarkoH01: I am not so sure about that. Of course I also can just assume but those old and loyal customers are usually those that buy a lot more than casual GOGers or those new to GOG because they don't just spend their money to get some games, they spend their money to support GOG. I could stop buying any game right now and I still would have enough to play until I will go six feet under ... I think I even have enough UNPLAYED games to not get bored at all ... but still I buy and buy and buy ... because I still want GOG to stay and be successful. I doubt it will be this way for casual buyers and most new to GOG.
That's just it: as you said some buy games no matter if they have more than enough to pay or not....and there are some who will buy almost anything in a sale from their favorite company/series.

Because of such people making up a good chunk of many digital media store's customer bases, those of us who are more principled are sadly often outnumbered and our voices drowned out.

avatar
MarkoH01: Okay, I am pretty sure that this is not what happened here at all. The "workaround" was nothing new, it was always working, it was the way the adalia fundamentals script was working as well (manufacturing the downloader links the same way). When others and myself reported that Downloader is still working it simply did at the time ... until it did not anymore, I am pretty sure though that this was not because GOG saw the "secret of GOG Downloader still working" posted in a thread, It probably was just the way of the shut down procedure. First remove all those links from the gamepage and when you are done pull the main switch - everything else feels a bit like a conspiracy theory to me.
You're likely right, I was just theorizing with that....still, i'd have kept it to others via PM if need be to make sure it lasted as long as possible to be extra careful.
-----------------------------------------------------------

All the above said, I again say to you/all that I hope some new(and somewhat easy)alternative is found or is made for those that need such.
Post edited March 19, 2020 by GameRager
avatar
GameRager: It's less me/some others trying to "win" anything, but more some of us(in my case anyways....dunno about the others) trying to show some that their efforts are likely(though not 100% certain) not worth the time/effort spent posting about such HERE in the forums(and also that there are better ways to try and affect such change....support tickets, emails, social media "campaigns", etc would[imo] likely all work a lot better).
Here you (and those others) are completely wrong. In fact I already tried creating support tickets in another case of complaining about something on GOG and I was brushed off and told to not waxste the valuable time of GOG support with unrelated questions/demands - and I was actually really friendly (which is not always the case when I have complaints). If you want prove I could post the according mail which I still have stored.

Regarding social media ... not ONCE did I receive any reply on twitter or facebook - I DID get some reply here in the forums though.

Simply call it experience but posting in the forums that were made to discuss things with the community and with GOG itself (yes, this once worked which is the best proof) is the right way to go. There is no proof that would support anything else but a lot of experiences from back in the days when GOG actually WAS more than just another growing business with DRM-free games

avatar
GameRager: That's just it: as you said some buy games no matter if they have more than enough to pay or not....and there are some who will buy almost anything in a sale from their favorite company/series.
And the latter are in most cases those that are on GOG for quite some time - those GOG gradually scares away with each wrong decision they made, make and will make. It's sad to see this but even as a big fan of GOG it's hard to not see how GOG is losing the connection to their customer base more and more.
low rated
avatar
MarkoH01: Here you (and those others) are completely wrong. In fact I already tried creating support tickets in another case of complaining about something on GOG and I was brushed off and told to not waxste the valuable time of GOG support with unrelated questions/demands - and I was actually really friendly (which is not always the case when I have complaints). If you want prove I could post the according mail which I still have stored.
This method I offered more as a more useful use of ones time.....social media(if done right and it gets big enough) is much better(if done right).

avatar
MarkoH01: Regarding social media ... not ONCE did I receive any reply on twitter or facebook - I DID get some reply here in the forums though.
I meant more for some to start a social media campaign going and get traction with others & maybe news outlets/people(even amateur) as well.

avatar
MarkoH01: Simply call it experience but posting in the forums that were made to discuss things with the community and with GOG itself (yes, this once worked which is the best proof) is the right way to go.
Maybe posting it once or twice, but posting the same thing a dozen or more times doesn't seem to make it more effective in a good number of cases.

avatar
MarkoH01: And the latter are in most cases those that are on GOG for quite some time - those GOG gradually scares away with each wrong decision they made, make and will make. It's sad to see this but even as a big fan of GOG it's hard to not see how GOG is losing the connection to their customer base more and more.
It's the way of many companies, sadly...they get big, sell shares, and then have to follow the whims of a board/shareholders and they also tend to get pulled in by the money that flows in.
high rated
avatar
GameRager: This method I offered more as a more useful use of ones time.....social media(if done right and it gets big enough) is much better(if done right).
So you say it does and I experienced the opposite which I can prove regarding the support ticket. So maybe I just don't know how to "do it right". Please, if you don't have anything than just an opinion without any proof or experience don't reply at all - it makes the discussion running in circles which is quite annoying.

avatar
GameRager: I meant more for some to start a social media campaign going and get traction with others & maybe news outlets/people(even amateur) as well.
Great idea. Let's just go OUTSIDE GOG to ask people about how things are getting worse INSIDE GOG even though we have a forum that is MEANT fo such things which GOG actually watches already.

avatar
GameRager: It's the way of many companies, sadly...they get big, sell shares, and then have to follow the whims of a board/shareholders and they also tend to get pulled in by the money that flows in.
This is no counter argument to me telling you that you just cannot replace a loyal customer base with any kind of customer. It's simply a thing you already posted countless times whenever somebpody was complaining about the proven downfall of how GOG handles its community.

avatar
GameRager: Maybe posting it once or twice, but posting the same thing a dozen or more times doesn't seem to make it more effective in a good number of cases.
I only posted it once and than you came and others and it went back and forth and bacxk and forth ... the reason this is going on so long is that you cannot stop to just let things be posted here without telling others that they are wrong just ... because. You have one opinion and others see things different. Like I said, you GAIN nothing by constantly telling others that they are wrong. You are helping nobody with this you are only making this argumentation really annoying and going in circles.

With that being said, you get your wish - I am out!
Post edited March 19, 2020 by MarkoH01
low rated
I know you might not reply much after this...I just wanted to clear up a few things(that you seem to have misread my intentions/intent & meaning on) then I am out(for the most part) as well:

(Also i'm sorry if what I said overly bothered you or my posts annoy/annoyed you somehow...have a good one)
-----------------------------------------------

avatar
MarkoH01: So you say it does and I experienced the opposite which I can prove regarding the support ticket.
You seem to have misread(maybe in haste?)...I said social media is(imo) the better way to get such change...not the support tickets.

(I believe you were being honest with what you said about the tickets)

avatar
MarkoH01: Great idea. Let's just go OUTSIDE GOG to ask people about how things are getting worse INSIDE GOG even though we have a forum that is MEANT for such things which GOG actually watches already.
It's more to do with posting such to places where GOG cannot police it or sweep it under the rug, and get support for it from others....with enough pressure others got GOG to do other things(some of which we dislike), so why not this as well?

avatar
MarkoH01: This is no counter argument to me telling you that you just cannot replace a loyal customer base with any kind of customer.
They're called "blindly loyal fans".....or so-called mindless consumers.....to some companies money is money, no matter what customer gives it to them.

avatar
MarkoH01: You have one opinion and others see things different. Like I said, you GAIN nothing by constantly telling others that they are wrong. You are helping nobody with this you are only making this argumentation really annoying and going in circles.
As with those who dislike all this(the decisions by GOG), I do it in part because it makes me feel better to vent my true feelings to others like this(in a civil manner, I mean)....no one needs to read what I write, and if anyone doesn't want to reply I don't mind.
Post edited March 20, 2020 by GameRager