i'm happy that people like Gremlion are posting the truth to hold up againts posts like your reply. also i dont want to discuss with you about the civil war in ukraine, but can you maybe tell me how many languages do you speak (without google translator) and which websites you use for infos about the war?

All the German speaking guys here should visit
blog.fefe.de
from time to time.

Just some comments.

- When you spoke about USA started third Maidan the conspiration theory bells were tingling very loud. Sure it cannot be the voice of the people in Ukraine - that cannot be true. Revolutions are only made by the bad guys.

- Refugess from Ukraine must mean something? Sure, but what? I would guess it means that Russia was just the closest destination. Donetzk alone has a million inhabitants. 100k people fleeing east instead of west, what does it mean? Not much maybe. Yanukovich is probably the only one who is not welcome back.

- Shoot down of airplane benefits Ukraine? Not really. Again conspiration bells are ringing. Just for a moment assume that it was the separatists (nobody in Russia offficially did this in the last days but we are revolutionary here) then you would of course say it was the other side. It always benefits every side to blame the other side. But that doesn't mean that every side shoots down an airplane, just because it would benefit them. If this is the only argument... I find it much more useful to think about that separatists are not very professional and they had the rockets and they had a habit of shooting rockets lately while Ukraine just didn't have many notable hostile air targets. This makes it probable that is was the separatists. Again in russian media you won't hear about this. But of course if the hate for Ukraine is so big that they must be the bad guys then...

- Russia indeed invaded Crimea and took it. You formulated it better. Securing assets doesn't sound like you break international treaties, bully non Russians, have a vote where two times the same option is given and then indulge in fraud. Russia started it not USA.

- What will happen now? Who will profit? I guess Putin will profit. He still lives like a small tsar and can move his troops around on a board. The nationalist in Russia will profit because they increased their territory. The rest, which probably includes all of us will loose.

- What to do in the future to make sure more people profit? Russia is aggresive, let's face it. The best is to show equal strength (Putin will honor this more than anything else).

- And for Ukraine? There is no fundamental reason why it cannot live on its own. It's a country like everyone else, except that is has a long and painful history now. I'm prepared to help them personally even if it costs money. I foresee a better future (similar development like Poland) if we get them through the next years. I believe they can prosper but it will take long. Ukraine itself is probably lost for Russia. Past actions weren't suitable for making Ukraine an ally.

If some people call clearly russian nationalistic BS from Gremlion "the truth", then I'm sure noone actually learnt from WW2 a damn thing. Naming blatant propaganda a truth is a blasphemy.
1. There is no Novorossya. It's a term used by propaganda machine to separate the hot regions from the rest of Ukraine by giving them a name from imperialistic era.
2. Those 2 currently hot regions are nonprofitable for a long time, meaning they get more from the centre each year than they give. The popular myth that "Donbass is feeding the whole country". Russians post their sites as proof, so why the hell not to post from UA site. Translate if interested - http://censor.net.ua/resonance/268512/zona_proedaniya_kto_kogo_kormit_v_ukraine
3. Part about MH117 and link to lenta.ru needs no detailed comment. Russia as part of the conflict trying to push its version of "who's responsible". Understandable, but with zero facts and mere assumptions.
4. Three revolutions - that's a new. Must be Russia counting the 1917.
5. "Crimea as a gift" myth. No freaking secret that Crimea is geographically closer and more convenient to Ukraine, so in Soviet times it was logical to move it under administrative rule of Ukrainian Soviet Republic, where from it got water and electricity. As it was one big empire named USSR, this move didn't mean much in a meaning of "gift to another country". Saying that Kruschev just gave it away is foolish at best. Noone was thinking that empire would crumble eventually. Plus, Russian Soviet Republic got some easternt lands from Ukrainian SR too during the Soviet era.

Fun fact for the ignorant. For as long as I remember during 2000s, there is nothing better for news on russian TV than to show how bad and terrible things in Ukraine are. And clearly, let's face it, it works. Things in your own country seem a bit better that way. Not counting numerous wars, conflicts and terrorist acts Russia experienced during the post-USSR era. Which we in Ukraine didn't have. But now we do. So thank you, not-anymore-brothers, from the bottom of my heart. Now, please, would you lay the f_ck off and leave us alone?!

I get you, but I'm pretty sure Trillarion and apehater are just trolling hard:) Also, i kinda doubt Gremlions IQ of 150, judging from the rest of his post.

Just making a point about it for a random foreigner.

I disagree. Anything beyond Hungary, Hungary included, is pretty much non important to the big players of EU. Only if some major death of some Western European citizens would take place, only then you'd see EU start acting.

I'm not sure you realize, but during WW2, the Red Army plundered, humiliated and murdered foreign civilians, pilaged and raped everywhere they went. It's a cultural thing for anything west of Russia to have no love for it. I know very old people from other countries who remember the horrors. Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not someone who lives in the past. But you obviously have no whatsoever idea where this "anti-russian" propaganda comes from. A quick look at the recent 120 years history will tell you.

About my IQ – I don’t like to brag, but sometimes – why not…
In Russia we have “Olympic games” for different school subjects.
К Й are letters in my name
In 2000 I won three city level (городской) Olympics – chemistry, biology and ecology (can’t find papers for 2 last ones) https://www.dropbox.com/s/9hwl4v9og6wixfl/5.jpg https://www.dropbox.com/s/snd1x5nn2tb5lx5/3.jpg Second place on zonal (окружной) Olympic. I got a common cold during the road to the city where it was, and wrote it while being 39.7C sick.
I was asked to choose only one subject for next years (city can send only the winner, when you get places in couple of them, you hinder someone else)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/qsjikla2f231m0h/2.jpg Tenth year, first place chemistry
https://www.dropbox.com/s/udti33ycslsnr9d/7.jpg Eleventh year, first place chemistry
As you can guess, I choose Environmental engineering because subject is exactly Chemistry+ Biology + Ecology.
I was the leader of the team which won State level Olympic between students https://www.dropbox.com/s/oopxi6y01fkt3gz/8.jpg - colorless photocopy, original is in the University.
I got two “specialist” degrees, one being red diploma (all A). https://www.dropbox.com/s/4m2vsy9n14cfs8e/11.jpg After graduation I got a job (Трудовой договор= Employment contract) in Research Institute(научно-исследовательский институт) https://www.dropbox.com/s/ab0irlk18eacv9t/9.jpg I started to get Ph.D., but work wasn’t tense enough for me, so I got a job in Gazprom(Газпром). https://www.dropbox.com/s/s6riusslbtamjpr/10.jpg
Next year I’m getting promotion to Deputy Head of Department of Environmental protection. Being smart isn’t enough for this – person should be talkative too. I think this proves me as one - I’m GOGlodyte of the 2013 year. http://www.gog.com/forum/general/goglodyte_of_the_year_award/post172
Personally, I think German press is the most independent one.
Somewhat tinfoil-worthy opinion – media isn’t very profitable and costly business (NYT have around $150 million profit), but have strong influence, so country, which prints money from air, can spend handful of billions to purchase every major unit. Cost/gain is amazing.
Situation with Georgia showed that western media isn’t really independent, and situation with censorship goes to the point of having agencies, which can ban press at will http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ofcom
Russia doesn’t have any significant regulation, so we have ugly situation of journalists going apeshit crazy both pro-government and anti-government. Government owns most TV channels, somewhat related to the fact that 1/3 of Russia never was in the Internet – it is their major source of news.
Last time I checked social polls – ¼ watch tv for news, and ¼ of them believes in these news.
Bulgakov, amazing Russian writer:
“– Don’t read Soviet press before breakfast
– But there is nothing else to read.
– Exactly.”
Don’t take my words as truth either – most politics are disgusting dicks, I don’t doubt that someone from my country does similar things.
– About third maydan. Initial take over square, people opinion, could’ve ended peacefully by staying till impeachment and legitimate elections. Shooting, which resulted in coup, is a provocation. It wasn’t started by old government – video footage shows that both civilians and police were the targets for snipers. Trees, which took bullets, later were cut down and burned by winners. If they would’ve been used to show that they were shot by Police, I would’ve had more trust in protesters. In one of the interviews Nuland confirmed that they spent billions on Ukraine… Maybe it does have something common with sudden big amount of people with military training at right time in right place.
-Refugees. Probably, fault of my personality – I don’t run from problems, seeing this big amount of people seems fishy for me.
-It benefits officials – struggle goes for couple of months, there weren’t any atrocities done by militants like “someone” did in Odessa, 2 May. Paint me surprised that investigation of this accident is very lenient. Official Kiev needed horrific accident to justify using of heavier weaponry or call for official help from their supervisor. Rerouting civil planes to the area until militants eventually would try to shoot it – plausible version, but isn’t failproof. Shooting on their own and blaming militants – more efficient way. Ukrainian military already have experience of shooting civil planes anyway. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_Airlines_Flight_1812
Thing with Buk – it is a complex of 7 vehicles. Militants have only SOV. I have read message from AA-soldier that Buk’s SOV can’t shoot to altitude higher than 6k without guiding from command vehicle. Couldn’t confirm it, but seems plausible – strong radars aren’t very resilient and cheap, so they wouldn’t be placed on the same vehicle which experiences recoil and carries explosive. SOV’s radar also has problems with acquiring target at long range – its angle is very limited, to 10-12 degrees. So, for militants shooting fast plane at high altitude main condition is “where to look”. Jet wasn’t at its common route. If we suppose that militants shot it, then it means that “someone” told to dispatchers to change route then this “someone” as “double agent” said to militants “hey, there would be Ukrainian war plane on the course from XXX to YYY”.
-it was started with dispatching of USSR. There was referendum, to save it or not, and 80% people voted to save. Agency, which sliced USSR to pieces, didn’t have any rights to do so. And then chaos began.
-Personally, I think that you overestimate weight of Putin in Russia. From my circle nobody would fight if Putin would say “let’s invade Poland”. He sits in Kremlin to sign papers of oligarchs. People would fight for motherland in self-defense, though. And, yeah, base of Russian navy is a part of motherland, give or take.
1. I was too lazy to check how exactly these areas called in the English language.
2. For #2 http://lenta.ru/articles/2014/05/20/ukrain/ for foreigners - infographic shows volumes of export/import per region. Your claims of region “living on donations” is the same fact like Moscow being city with the biggest budget in the section “mineral extraction” – big companies pay their taxes in the capital. Even your article says that “Kiev generates 40% of Ukrainian budget because of taxes on plants”. Otherwise it would’ve been wise to, say, sell these lands to Russia, because they hinder your country.
3. Satellite photos are worse evidence than youtube video by unknown person?
4. [url=http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Украина_без_Кучмы]http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Украина_без_Кучмы[/url]
[url=http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Оранжевая_революция]http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Оранжевая_революция[/url]
[url=http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Евромайдан]http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Евромайдан[/url]
Don’t watch our TV. It is sad thing for derelicts which can’t think at all.

Such a delicate and complicated subject to discuss. I'll try to be as short as I can:

- I have no problem with the anexation of Crimea by Rusia (it was a gift etc)
- I do have a problem with the so-called rebels that get powerful weapons from "somewhere" and accidentally kill innocent people (talking about the recent civilian plane crash). Everyone points the finger to someone else but how does that help the situation?
- there are 2 super-powers fighting here US and Rusia, and Ukraine is the punching bag. They should just man up and take it out mano-a-mano
- i'm on the side of US in this situation because from that side freedom of speech is a real thing and people can freely state their opinions and listen to conspiracy theories that aren't one-sided. On the other hand Rusia has a controlled media.

Disclaimer: I don't hate Rusia, I used to respect it as a powerful country but I have lost that respect due to the recent events. There is only one winner from all of this: China, a country that has understood that nowadays wars are economical and not military.

My thoughts go to the people that have suffered greatly from a useless war. May it end as soon as possible!

Thats what my brother said, whats the point of wars when its too costly. The Future of Warfare will be fought with economics, Out-Rich the opposing country by being the most economically powerful and influential. Infact that was partly the outcome of the Cold War what with the Arms and the Space race. The USA just became bigger than the Soviet Union in terms of Economics. Poland under Communist Warsaw Pact was borrowing resources from the USA to improve the standard of living in the 70s.

This. Still waiting for that evidence from the US or Ukraine that is not social media related. All I heard was accusations and assumptions. Where are the Ukranian air traffic control tapes? Where is the US satellite data? Think about the Russian data what you will, at least they put something solid on the table.

This is exact problem - simply because western media can freely blame Russia, it doesn't mean that western media can freely protect Russia when blame is undeserved.
Some examples:
Pro-russian articles
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/04/world/europe/behind-the-masks-in-ukraine-many-faces-of-rebellion.html
http://www.lemonde.fr/politique/article/2014/05/11/malgre-la-crise-en-ukraine-la-france-livrera-bien-ses-mistral-a-la-russie_4414943_823448.html

Then both chief redactors were fired.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/press/female-editors-of-le-monde-and-the-new-york-times-spiked-in-a-single-day-9372053.html

German journalists went on strike because they couldn't tell the truth about situation in Ukraine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJFgipWDXR8

I'll simply say that I'm on the west's side whether Russia is at fault or not. It's just how politics go. The west made us suffer less than Russia did in the last century. I do not forget the countries that made my life shittier.

Civil War?

No.