now see here. gamergate is not the problem. I mean if one jogger doesn't believe in womens rights, that doesn't mean all joggers are crap. Thats like saying , " hey that one feminist is too aggressive and one sided, they must all be like that!'. Now thats not the case is it? And as for our founding fathers, you are right, they didn't respond like that to king george. They did however ravage the native americans, sure they didn't have the notion of land value, so we purge em. <not very nice is it> and then there was slavery. so in other words.... piss off

The problem is not that some people associated with GG are dicks and therefore all GG people are dicks. The problem is that enough people are loud enough hooting dickholes that are associated with GG that they have become inseparable in the public mind, and sticking with the tag is only going to ensure that the public lumps you in with them and dismisses you. Continuing to use a tainted brand name didn't work for [url=http://www.cracked.com/article_19863_the-5-worst-marketing-ideas-ever-put-into-action.html]Candy, and it won't work for GG at this point.

What public mind? The public only hears what the media tells them and since journalists decided to collude in a vain attempt at changing the story and keep backing each other up. All the public knows is the tagline "Gamergate is about misogyny". The public is generally pretty stupid.

There are enough "dicks" as you call it, bullying people by telling them what they "should" do, over and over and over again. Why do you care and what gives you the right to tell people who they should and should not associate with and what topics they should or should not be talking about? What they should or should not call themselves? Who the heck do you think you are?

There are a lot of uninformed people jumping on a moral bandwagon based on as many or more lies and distortions as pro-GG people.

The real problem are the "dicks" attempting to derail other's discussions. The "dicks" trying to claim the moral high-ground defending rather suspect individuals. Who gives you the right?

The problem is you have a lot of loud obnoxious assholes in everything. Go to a Giants (American Football) board and talk about the Jets, I guarantee you'll get called out HARD. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle got Death Threats for killing Sherlock Holmes. There are loud obnoxious assholes in the Steam Forums, and this place has a number of them too that go a bit too far as well. Hell I'm sure GRRM gets a ton of them with the number of characters he kills off and how long his books take to come out. The problem is that people single them out for confirmation bias, not for any other reason.

If someone wants to demonstrate that the hashtag and the consumer revolt is tainted, please show me who. I'm not even asking for court-acceptable evidence, I just want to see who, I'm not on twitter, I've got too much to do to spend my life on that shithole. Hell I think Twitter needs to fix their efforts for handling genuine harassment because I know the people from Gamergate who have been working towards reporting doxers and harassers have hit a wall because it takes forever for anything to get done.

I don't know what to say, there's a lot of people who are going to laugh me off no matter what I say or why I say it. They don't care about my point of view, the things I've seen or the experiences I have because I don't agree with their world view. And you know what? That's pretty fucked up when you think of it. We only move forward because our world view gets challenged, we only get better because we struggle, because we look the world, look life in the eyes and refuse to let ourselves stay down. And sometimes we change, we have to, the world doesn't accept sitting still as an option, it's not even on the list.

I'm not trying to argue whether the fact that GG is associated in the public's eye with awful shit is right or not, simply that it is so perceived. After that, the man covered in shit principle swings into effect, and the moment it comes up that someone mentions that they are a part of GG, they will be dismissed because of that perception. Right or wrong, the only way for you guys to make any headway on your talking points is to abandon the GG tag, because otherwise it will result in people taking a mental shortcut to dismissing your arguments.

https://archive.today/TsQoS

Can she play the victim card any harder?

I agree.

The GG label has been poisoned.
Sure, people can (and will) keep on using it as much s they want but if they do so they'll have to accept that they'll be seen as being in one group with all the assholes that make GG look bad.
The assholes are a minority but the GG movement cannot drown them out nor kick them out. So all the good the GGers can and want do will never get done if they stick to that label because many people don't want to have anything to do with GGers. It's sad but that is how it is.

Have assholes in your group? Drown them out or kick them out or leave the group. If you cannot or don't want to do that you should better try to accept that you'll be seen as having a common cause with them.
And that goes for feminists, religious people, political parties etc. as well.

I really wish the smart, active and positive members of GG could emerge from that poisoned label. But I believe they fear to be too few then, to leave too many people behind if they don't keep the label.
:-(
And so people will just keep screaming at each other and keep accusing the other side of being "bad" or at least "worse". Great stuff.
As understood it the people of GG want all the claims to be investigated (to prove that they aren't true), so a legal defense fund that makes legal action against the people who harass others possible would play right into GGs hands. Or not?

Good to know that harrassment now falls under the terrorism tag... I guess she means that guy that threatened to run into one of Anita's presentations with shooting guns. Although it is not any proof in existence that says that came from a gamersgate "member".

On further note I ask myself, why persons which make themselves persons of open interest, starting discussions, starting discourses, challenging common opinions and verbally attack other people of a certain professions, earning money with it, want to stay anonymous?

This is three pages in a row where you are telling people to quit Gamergate. Quit the harassment.

Yes.

So there will be a defense fund set up so butthurt SJWs can hire lawyers to sue people they accuse of defamation? I don't know, that seems kind of like bullying, ya know? Anyone else seeing the irony here?

Why isn't this over? They can fight forever that men hate women in gaming. Which is was not what it was about but it has been now. It almost starts to insult me as a man.

Well two weeks ago I thought Gamersgaet was some Baldur's Gate fanclub and I wondered why they suddenly gained all that attention.

Gamergate, not Gamersgate. :-D

And here I was thinking that I was trying to calmly and rationally discuss the problems of continued usage of the tag when they could be making the same points without cutting their own proverbial Achille's tendons. To be clear, I can get behind addressing ethics in journalism, but the baggage associated with the current hashtag can't allow me to lend it my support, and I suspect that I'm not alone in that sentiment. Separate yourselves from the arseholes, and you'll get more traction, or at least that's my take on the facts at hand.

Repeating yourself over and over again is not "calmly discussing the problem". We read your opinion the first 5 times. Spamming the page with it yet again in this post doesn't help.

Gamergate has been decrying harassment for weeks, they have separated themselves. But your logic is completely flawed. So giving up a movement gives one more traction? How? Ever hear of divide and conquer?