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Gremlion can turn every thread into a platform for his fascist nationalistic brainwashed "Hail mother Russia, you be good and great!" crap.
Two generations of my family had all females between (back then) the age of 13 and 50 raped by Russian troops long after the war and every country I know that had Russia as "guests" says the same.
Also famous for excessive drinking and rape-porn. Great culture, still genocidal and homo-hunting as well.
Putin's "ethnically cleansing" of more than 26,000 people in the South Caucasus wasn't even long ago and he's got a history just like his likewise sociopathic predecessors.
Nation of tolerance for sure.
Post edited January 10, 2016 by Klumpen0815
woooow... i completely didnt intend anything into such stuff...
i don't know russia and i leave that to those who know their stuff about it. i only know what our media are telling us about it, and i keep suspecting our media to be rather biased with an agenda of their own (on pretty much every topic) not because paranoid by nature (i still am, anyway) but because we already had many opportunities to expose their shortcomings and weak propaganda on many other topics, so i never believe 100% of what they say as a core principle.

i wouldnt risk making any judgment about other country (i already am busy making judgements about mine, thank you :) i can be quite vocal about it already)
Post edited January 10, 2016 by Djaron
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Djaron: woooow... i completely didnt intend anything into such stuff...
i don't know russia and i leave that to those who know their stuff about it. i only know what our media are telling us about it, and i keep suspecting our media to be rather biased with an agenda of their own (on pretty much every topic) not because paranoid by nature (i still am, anyway) but because we already had many opportunities to expose their shortcomings and weak propaganda on many other topics, so i never believe 100% of what they say as a core principle.

i wouldnt risk making any judgment about other country (i already am busy making judgements about mine, thank you :) i can be quite vocal about it already)
Yes, European media is trying hard to paint Russia's politics black.
Sadly it isn't a very complicated job, they just let out the few good parts like the stance towards gene manipulated food for example.
Post edited January 10, 2016 by Klumpen0815
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Klumpen0815: Having been a refugee myself once upon a time, I'm not disaggreeing with you at all.
The problem isn't refugees though, the problem is immigrants posing as refugees and those seem to be the majority by now with 70% of them being men and having been indoctrinated with stuff like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZ7u3sbqY9U
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Djaron: the problem is: how do you sort out immigrant from refugees in a whole crowd at mere glance ? i dunno, it sounds hard to achieve withh accuracy
Find some Ex-Syrians that are already living in Europe for a few years and let them judge which ones of the arrivals are even Syrians, most of them don't. They could make a test. Currently you just have to check a box and that's it, since the German officials have no clue at all.
If the majority would be refugees, you'd see way more women and children and not able bodied young men from several countries in the area.
Even if the majority of those able bodied men were Syrians, shouldn't they be defending their families instead of abandoning them in a war zone and doing trying to spread Islam?
In Germany there are female quotas for everything, just not for "refugees" as it seems.
Well I guess our politicians are just hoping for cheap labour that gets some exception from the new minimum wage rule and like the apportionment. They obviously neither care for real refugees nor for their own people.
Post edited January 10, 2016 by Klumpen0815
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Klumpen0815: Gremlion can turn every thread into a platform for his fascist nationalistic brainwashed "Hail mother Russia, you be good and great!" crap.
Knowing strong and weak points isn't "fascist nationalistic brainwashing". I'm simply not talking about weak points, but I know about their presence.

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Klumpen0815: Two generations of my family had all females between (back then) the age of 13 and 50 raped by Russian troops long after the war and every country I know that had Russia as "guests" says the same.
I can say many things there, but none would help.
I can delve into denialism and ask - were they Russians or muslim recruits from Southern Caucasus? Another possible suspects - western ukrainians, http://foto-history.livejournal.com/2472515.html
I can say that WW2 for Russia was way harsher than for Germany, and your "war ended, you shouldn't have strong feelings anymore" is kind of dumb excuse. How does knowing that war ended 5 (10, 15) years ago helps people, which resorted to eating their dead relatives in blockaded Leningrad?
Personally, I wouldn't mind better relations with Germany built on fundament of great dealings done by tsars of German heritage and huge respect Otto Bismark has in Russia for his insight into us. Poking wounds doesn't help for building future, we still live on the same planet.

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Klumpen0815: Also famous for excessive drinking and rape-porn. Great culture, still genocidal and homo-hunting as well.
TBH, from 1200 people I regularly meet, only one drinks close to "average alcohol consumption in Russia". The rest have cars, and as a result of 0% alcohol rule almost never drink, "I'm driver, can't drink".
As for "rape-porn" - not the thing I'm interested in, the only news about "porn" that I have seen is that more than 3/4 of actors in "Russian porn" are ukrainians, because for $100 they do things Russian actress wouldn't do for $500.
As for homo-hunting - when was last gay beheaded in Russia, m?
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Klumpen0815: Putin's "ethnically cleansing" of more than 26,000 people in the South Caucasus wasn't even long ago and he's got a history just like his likewise sociopathic predecessors.
Nation of tolerance for sure.
If you are talking about Chechnya, you should do more research.
1. It wasn't started by Putin, it was started by Yeltsin. Putin ended it.
2. It wasn't ethnical - it was targeted at killing ISIS-like state in Chechnya. These "people" were supplied by US in exchange for usage of international airport for contraband of weapon and money.
3. As a result, US saved some of their best people - google "Boston bombing". Some of them went to Quatar. Some joined ISIS, google "ISIS al Shishani", al Shishani in arabic means "from Chechnya".

How things right now in Chechnya, you (didn't) ask?
They had giant meeting last year, around 1M people:
https://www.google.com/search?q=19+%D1%8F%D0%BD%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%8F+2015+%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B3+%D0%B2+%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BC+%D1%84%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE&biw=1280&bih=689&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiUr_isip_KAhWB2SwKHQI1ASQQ_AUICCgD
Guess the motive. Independence? Punishing Russia for ethnic cleansing? Any other idea?
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Slogan was "Fuck Charlie Hebdo".
Post edited January 10, 2016 by Gremlion
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Gremlion: snip
Yes, I know about the anti-Russian propaganda in Europe and I don't even disaggree with you in as many points as you'd think, I'm still annoyed by you starting this topic everywhere and not talking about anything else than "great mother Russia", besides the point, that I see you always downplaying the massive negative parts in addition to that.
The war is over for too long for one side having a culture of self-loathing and the other a culture of self-rightiousness simply by who won and who lost. Russia in the 30s, 40s and long afterwards wasn't any better than what the NSDAP did, often exactly the same (Gulags, etc...).

I'm allergic to fanatic nationalism, that's all.
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Klumpen0815: Yes, I know about the anti-Russian propaganda in Europe and I don't even disaggree with you in as many points as you'd think, I'm still annoyed by you starting this topic everywhere and not talking about anything else than "great mother Russia", besides the point, that I see you always downplaying the massive negative parts in addition to that.
The war is over for too long for one side having a culture of self-loathing and the other a culture of self-rightiousness simply by who won and who lost. Russia in the 30s, 40s and long afterwards wasn't any better than what the NSDAP did, often exactly the same (Gulags, etc...).
Um, I wrote correction about minorities-related stuff in Russia, because I have first-hand experience with it.
You can verify it by checking Population in Russia articles, and our history.
For example, we had division of orthodox church, but it didn't result in anything similar to war between catholics and huguenots.
If you want to talk about russian problems - go on, ask me in chat.
As for WW2 - you are seriously downplaying what NSDAP did and what it wanted to do.
And seriously exaggerating what GULAG was. There are a lot of declassified documents about it, but, yeah, let's believe about "hundreds of millions killed by Stalin", it's so simple.
This is, as you can imagine, hot topic in political battles on russian internet forums between stalinfags, usbots, ukrobots, kremlinbots, demshizoids (shizophren-democrats), sovietfags, tsarists, etc...
After reading these declassified materials about GULAG, visiting its museums, and seeing modern news, I can safely say that US prison at Guantanomo is worse than Gulag was.

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Klumpen0815: I'm allergic to fanatic nationalism, that's all.
Probably, you wouldn't believe me straight away, but me too. That one has slogan "Russia for Russians", and googling that would result in images of nazi-related stuff. I don't have any affiliation to this kind of people.
OK, I think we are starting to derail a bit from gaming and SJW/censorship stuff and getting too deep into Russia.
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LeonardoCornejo: OK, I think we are starting to derail a bit from gaming and SJW/censorship stuff and getting too deep into Russia.
I thought that is GoG tradition for derailing?
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LeonardoCornejo: OK, I think we are starting to derail a bit from gaming and SJW/censorship stuff and getting too deep into Russia.
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Gnostic: I thought that is GoG tradition for derailing?
It is more of a genreal internet tradition. Wherever there is no groupthink threads are bound to derai from time to time. However, we must stay vigilant and return to the core matter from time to time. Otherwise we will be unable to survive the more organized SJW hivemind mentality. Since they are not allowed to move beyond the boundares of their views they tend to saty more focused on attacking their rargets. That is both their greatest strength and a severe weakness.
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LeonardoCornejo: OK, I think we are starting to derail a bit from gaming and SJW/censorship stuff and getting too deep into Russia.
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Gnostic: I thought that is GoG tradition for derailing?
well... this time though, this looked like a slowmotion trainwreck :)
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TStael: If source references of an OP do not last a year - I draw the conclusion that the OP could not find strong source references to begin with. But also - I ask the OP the repost, to allow me to rethink.
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Shadowstalker16: Nah; I think when this thread was started, he was just trying to make a balanced thread to discuss news with primary gamergate discussion being in the other threads. Either way, sources can become relevant and irrelevant as new info comes up, so keep that in mind before assessing the reliability of one based on how long it was considered to be valid.
U post those "balancing" sources at will, lad/lass, eh! :-p

But you never knew and assessed them, did ya?

And let it be known that I find the press card an badge honour. In case you are unaware how many journalist are killed and tortured for doing their job where it is most needed - just google reporters sans frontiers.

Or here:

http://en.rsf.org/

What say you?
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Shadowstalker16: Nah; I think when this thread was started, he was just trying to make a balanced thread to discuss news with primary gamergate discussion being in the other threads. Either way, sources can become relevant and irrelevant as new info comes up, so keep that in mind before assessing the reliability of one based on how long it was considered to be valid.
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TStael: U post those "balancing" sources at will, lad/lass, eh! :-p

But you never knew and assessed them, did ya?

And let it be known that I find the press card an badge honour. In case you are unaware how many journalist are killed and tortured for doing their job where it is most needed - just google reporters sans frontiers.

Or here:

http://en.rsf.org/

What say you?
Yeah. Journalists are tortured and killed when they expose war crimes, authoritarian regimes, conspiracies that turn out to be true, criminal syndicates, etc. However you don't see progressives or progressive media talking about those journalists. They are more worried to talk about things that the stablishment has decided are allowed to talk about. They do not defy the stablishment, they only bow to it.

The journalists who risk their lives are not those of the progressive media. Most of them are actually independent and do not form part of any "Journo mailing list", No journo has been killed for talking positively about a man deciding to become a 6 year old girl, for crying about the "sexism, racism, and misoginy" in video games and among gamers, for talking about how a retarded (Actually I think the mentally retarded are better than this one) feminist decided to make sourdough with the byproduct of her vaginal yeast infection.

If you want to protect journalists who risk their lives to denounce the criminal and inhuman acts of governments and organizations I am with you on that. But do not even dare to protect those who actually ruin the world with their lowly bastardized form of clickbait politically correct "journalism".
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TStael: U post those "balancing" sources at will, lad/lass, eh! :-p

But you never knew and assessed them, did ya?

And let it be known that I find the press card an badge honour. In case you are unaware how many journalist are killed and tortured for doing their job where it is most needed - just google reporters sans frontiers.

Or here:

http://en.rsf.org/

What say you?
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LeonardoCornejo: Yeah. Journalists are tortured and killed when they expose war crimes, authoritarian regimes, conspiracies that turn out to be true, criminal syndicates, etc. However you don't see progressives or progressive media talking about those journalists. They are more worried to talk about things that the stablishment has decided are allowed to talk about. They do not defy the stablishment, they only bow to it.

The journalists who risk their lives are not those of the progressive media. Most of them are actually independent and do not form part of any "Journo mailing list", No journo has been killed for talking positively about a man deciding to become a 6 year old girl, for crying about the "sexism, racism, and misoginy" in video games and among gamers, for talking about how a retarded (Actually I think the mentally retarded are better than this one) feminist decided to make sourdough with the byproduct of her vaginal yeast infection.

If you want to protect journalists who risk their lives to denounce the criminal and inhuman acts of governments and organizations I am with you on that. But do not even dare to protect those who actually ruin the world with their lowly bastardized form of clickbait politically correct "journalism".
If you ask for my assumption - the killed journalists generally exposed cruel and undemocratic power structures, or try and emanate information from war zones.

I do not take too delightedly unto the uncritical journalistic fandom of, say, The Withcer 2 unto 3 - but I also never imagined them to be the "die for thefreedom of press* kinds.

I take both my gaming immersion and media intake critically - and like both better for it.
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Shadowstalker16: Nah; I think when this thread was started, he was just trying to make a balanced thread to discuss news with primary gamergate discussion being in the other threads. Either way, sources can become relevant and irrelevant as new info comes up, so keep that in mind before assessing the reliability of one based on how long it was considered to be valid.
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TStael: U post those "balancing" sources at will, lad/lass, eh! :-p

But you never knew and assessed them, did ya?

And let it be known that I find the press card an badge honour. In case you are unaware how many journalist are killed and tortured for doing their job where it is most needed - just google reporters sans frontiers.

Or here:

http://en.rsf.org/

What say you?
Those links are just links to other threads which should have been the actual GG discussion threads. Ofc I didn't read every post of them :D

I wouldn't hold a press card to be anything, but I too highly respect good journalistic work. And yes, real journos doing real stories do very often get kidnapped and the governments are always reluctant to rescue a truth speaker. Its even quite a big issue in India as per the RSF. In that regard, you have my support as well.