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RWarehall:
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WBGhiro: Well at least it started a dialogue :^)
Not yet. A dialogue would involve Ryan being actually responsive to anything we have to say. So far, that has not occurred.

Just like it's only criticism when petition drives force a video game out of over 400 stores nationwide in Australia. Especially when that criticism wasn't even accurate, filled with distortions and misinformation...
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ryannaughton1138: Klumpen0815
That seems to be an extreme, and not exactly accurate description of what's happening here. Not to mention that this kind of moral equivalence fallacy is one of the more disturbingly popular fallacies out there. Also a bunch people criticizing cretin aspects of society isn't automatically "creeping authoritarianism," it's just criticism.
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ryannaughton1138: It's time to move on. Childhood is over. It's time for the core and hardcore games to go through puberty.
this looks more like an ultimatum than a criticism to me. And do you really want to harass us so much as we know criticism = harassment by Sarkeesian/feminist rules. ;P
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WBGhiro: Well at least it started a dialogue :^)
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RWarehall: Not yet. A dialogue would involve Ryan being actually responsive to anything we have to say. So far, that has not occurred.

Just like it's only criticism when petition drives force a video game out of over 400 stores nationwide in Australia. Especially when that criticism wasn't even accurate, filled with distortions and misinformation...
Don't worry i completely understand, i just thought that while you making fun of sjw catchphrases i should've added the classic "But it started a dialogue! (when actually the opposite happened, yay silencing people you don't agree with!)"
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RWarehall: Not yet. A dialogue would involve Ryan being actually responsive to anything we have to say. So far, that has not occurred.

Just like it's only criticism when petition drives force a video game out of over 400 stores nationwide in Australia. Especially when that criticism wasn't even accurate, filled with distortions and misinformation...
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WBGhiro: Don't worry i completely understand, i just thought that while you making fun of sjw catchphrases i should've added the classic "But it started a dialogue! (when actually the opposite happened, yay silencing people you don't agree with!)"
Yeah, AGG confuses monologue with dialog methinks
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WBGhiro: Don't worry i completely understand, i just thought that while you making fun of sjw catchphrases i should've added the classic "But it started a dialogue! (when actually the opposite happened, yay silencing people you don't agree with!)"
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Rusty_Gunn: Yeah, AGG confuses monologue with dialog methinks
I think the correct terms are either "narrative" or "storify"...need to be careful not to offend them by referring to it just as a mere monologue... ;)
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Rusty_Gunn: Yeah, AGG confuses monologue with dialog methinks
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RWarehall: I think the correct terms are either "narrative" or "storify"...need to be careful not to offend them by referring to it just as a mere monologue... ;)
Yeah, monologues are such a Supervillain thing & we can't have them thinking that's what we think of them.
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RWarehall: I think the correct terms are either "narrative" or "storify"...need to be careful not to offend them by referring to it just as a mere monologue... ;)
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Rusty_Gunn: Yeah, monologues are such a Supervillain thing & we can't have them thinking that's what we think of them.
Not that there's anything wrong with it of course. Or anything in general other than questioning The Order.
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LeonardoCornejo: I actually hope the west faces a big struggle, because according to people in countries where there is actual turmoil and hardship this kind of shit is rare there. Even things such as made up genders and trans genders are scarce to non existent. One theory is that since the mind of the people is bussy with real issues they don't have time to make up new issues and since they are bussy surviving their brains stay active, preventing insanity and mental degradation of the collective population. I bet no Jew in Auschwitz was trans, people who lived under the soviet regime never had such things. Yes, there were homosexuals, that seems to be unrelated, but there were no transgender, gender fluid, otherkin, non bynary, and other made up genders because people was too busy surviving to deal with that shit. It is also no coincidence that all this shit is rather postmodern since there wer no such things during the WWI, WWII, and even Cold War periods.
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YaTEdiGo: I prefer a world that has place for transexuals, ladyboys, women marrying 6 guys, and guys marrying 6 women, gay marriage, normal marriage and weird people to a world with struggles, wars, or famine in their hands, I really think boredom means happiness, and people has the right to be whatever they want to be, even if they want to be unicorns... the problem is DUMB people, not different people.

The problem is when boredom and normal things, need to be converted in ISSUES, because we been the whole life being CONSUMERS, and we want to claim our right to be PART OF THE HISTORY, and here it comes TWITTER as the most EMPTY place for a revolution, a VIRTUAL one, embracing "amazing difficult causes¨ like feminism on videogames... LOL just checked what happened with Female Link, they asked for a female Link, Nintendo gave to them, they complain again... check MAD MAX, they bring Furiosa, still they complain about it... check it COD Black Ops 3, they bring girls, and they still say BUT YOU CANNOT CONTROL A BLACK PERSON OR AN ASIAN...

Isnt about the RIGHTS, isnt about CHANGE the world, is about EGOS, EGOS IN THE STUPID INTERNET, BORING PEOPLE SIT DOWN IN THEIR HOUSES CHANGING the WOoOOoOOooroOOooroorooROooOooOORLD ... claiming to be THE GENERATION OF CHANGE, because they want to be REMEMBERED, because they are a generation of CONSUMERS, BORING, DOING NOTHING... plain NOTHING...

Instead of embrace this happiness, we make it complicated. OH! GAMES NEED TO BE MATURE!! LOL, this shit didnt even happened to CINEMA... is just a very frustrated generation in terms of political relevance, we are so fucking lazy, that instead of fighting for our losing rights on the street, or try to stop the climatic change not driving our car so much, we take our wonderful Smartphones to support that VIDEOGAMES and INTERNET VIOLENCE need to be controlled, making this a relevant topic in the ONU, a m a z i n g ...

(the pure concept of the internet violence is so OUT of the real world violence that makes me want to puke...)

VERY SAD
Well. I partially agree and partially disagree with you. I do think everyone should be free. But I also consider transgenders dellusional (As in harmless but dellusional) and all the other made up genders (Otherkin, non bynary, queer, etc) very dellusional and the result of a mind with nothing better to do and poserism.

I mean, for a group and generation which claims to reject labels they have too many labels, and what they claim does not adjust to their reality, even worse, they want others to adjust to their claims. That is what bothers me and where I take issue.

For example trans people claiming it is trasphobic for a straight guy to reject a trans just because he has a penis. That is sickening and absurd. If you are fully straight of course you don't want to date someone with a dick.

But I do think they are still people and human beings and do not deserve persecution. If I ever saw an otherkin being beaten on the street just for being otherkin, I would stop that because even though I think they are wrong I think beating them to a pulp for being wrong is much worse.
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RWarehall
So I'm a liar for simply having different point of view? Also regarding your points

1. The Mozilla CEO resigned because of the controversy caused when it was found he supported of the attempt to ban same sex marriage in California. He resigned at his own free will as a response to the controversy. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/becky-hayes/mozillas-anti-gay-ceo-hast_b_5129335.html

2. Citation needed for Gamergaters being doxed, because a lot of it's opponents seem to be the ones who were doxed. Now why is that?

3. That bomb threats you mentioned was actually traced back to 8chan, one of Gamergate's hangouts. https://twitter.com/arthur_affect/status/632636987367751680

4. They're auto-blocked because these more than likely being harassed.

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ryannaughton1138: Klumpen0815
That seems to be an extreme, and not exactly accurate description of what's happening here. Not to mention that this kind of moral equivalence fallacy is one of the more disturbingly popular fallacies out there. Also a bunch people criticizing cretin aspects of society isn't automatically "creeping authoritarianism," it's just criticism.
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Rusty_Gunn:
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ryannaughton1138: It's time to move on. Childhood is over. It's time for the core and hardcore games to go through puberty.
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Rusty_Gunn: this looks more like an ultimatum than a criticism to me. And do you really want to harass us so much as we know criticism = harassment by Sarkeesian/feminist rules. ;P
Well it is an ultimatum. An ultimatum to acknowledge that the gaming landscape is changing. You don't have to like it, but you have to acknowledge that gaming has gone mainstream, and behavior that was considered acceptable back in the niche days isn't acceptable anymore.
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ryannaughton1138: Well it is an ultimatum. An ultimatum to acknowledge that the gaming landscape is changing. You don't have to like it, but you have to acknowledge that gaming has gone mainstream, and behavior that was considered acceptable back in the niche days isn't acceptable anymore.
Yes, it is changing But not for the better IMHO (And no I'm not talking mainstreaming here) I'm referring to the few people that are pushing exclusion-ism as inclusion, look at the Link-Linkle debacle gamers are fine with Linkle but the ones opposed did so on the grounds that she was a "ms male" character or because she wasn't "The link" so equal representation was not desired but rather they wanted to exclude all representation but their own. & plus we have AGGs railing against devs for having the gall to make bad guys act bad & say things...
https://twitter.com/tauriqmoosa/status/668683370549927937

If you're in a hostile wasteland & you worry about what the person who wants you dead (preferably a gruesome demise by their hands you may need to adjust priorities. And if you expect PG only dialog maybe an M-rated game may not be for you/

& please don't confuse the noisiness of AGG for a gauge of their size, they are hardly mainstream.
Post edited November 24, 2015 by Rusty_Gunn
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ryannaughton1138: Klumpen0815
That seems to be an extreme, and not exactly accurate description of what's happening here. Not to mention that this kind of moral equivalence fallacy is one of the more disturbingly popular fallacies out there. Also a bunch people criticizing cretin aspects of society isn't automatically "creeping authoritarianism," it's just criticism.
Yeah sure, people like Keigh Alexander saying I AM A MEGAPHONE and threatening a developer to never get a job, isn't creepy at all, LOL and is not an isolated example...
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YaTEdiGo: I prefer a world that has place for transexuals, ladyboys, women marrying 6 guys, and guys marrying 6 women, gay marriage, normal marriage and weird people to a world with struggles, wars, or famine in their hands, I really think boredom means happiness, and people has the right to be whatever they want to be, even if they want to be unicorns... the problem is DUMB people, not different people.

The problem is when boredom and normal things, need to be converted in ISSUES, because we been the whole life being CONSUMERS, and we want to claim our right to be PART OF THE HISTORY, and here it comes TWITTER as the most EMPTY place for a revolution, a VIRTUAL one, embracing "amazing difficult causes¨ like feminism on videogames... LOL just checked what happened with Female Link, they asked for a female Link, Nintendo gave to them, they complain again... check MAD MAX, they bring Furiosa, still they complain about it... check it COD Black Ops 3, they bring girls, and they still say BUT YOU CANNOT CONTROL A BLACK PERSON OR AN ASIAN...

Isnt about the RIGHTS, isnt about CHANGE the world, is about EGOS, EGOS IN THE STUPID INTERNET, BORING PEOPLE SIT DOWN IN THEIR HOUSES CHANGING the WOoOOoOOooroOOooroorooROooOooOORLD ... claiming to be THE GENERATION OF CHANGE, because they want to be REMEMBERED, because they are a generation of CONSUMERS, BORING, DOING NOTHING... plain NOTHING...

Instead of embrace this happiness, we make it complicated. OH! GAMES NEED TO BE MATURE!! LOL, this shit didnt even happened to CINEMA... is just a very frustrated generation in terms of political relevance, we are so fucking lazy, that instead of fighting for our losing rights on the street, or try to stop the climatic change not driving our car so much, we take our wonderful Smartphones to support that VIDEOGAMES and INTERNET VIOLENCE need to be controlled, making this a relevant topic in the ONU, a m a z i n g ...

(the pure concept of the internet violence is so OUT of the real world violence that makes me want to puke...)

VERY SAD
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LeonardoCornejo: Well. I partially agree and partially disagree with you. I do think everyone should be free. But I also consider transgenders dellusional (As in harmless but dellusional) and all the other made up genders (Otherkin, non bynary, queer, etc) very dellusional and the result of a mind with nothing better to do and poserism.

I mean, for a group and generation which claims to reject labels they have too many labels, and what they claim does not adjust to their reality, even worse, they want others to adjust to their claims. That is what bothers me and where I take issue.

For example trans people claiming it is trasphobic for a straight guy to reject a trans just because he has a penis. That is sickening and absurd. If you are fully straight of course you don't want to date someone with a dick.

But I do think they are still people and human beings and do not deserve persecution. If I ever saw an otherkin being beaten on the street just for being otherkin, I would stop that because even though I think they are wrong I think beating them to a pulp for being wrong is much worse.
Transgender shouldn't be an issue, it was ALWAYS there, in some way or other, science and surgery only helped people to embrace it in a better way.

Caring about Transgenders or similar things as an ISSUE is what opens the door to "progressives cultists" as you probably accurately named them before, homosexuality in any of their kinds it should be a NORMAL thing that nobody should care about, not to criticize it, not to give them positive discrimination, there are tons of delusional things in our lives, to really care about Michael Jackson trying to be white, or a man trying to be a woman, etc. it should be IRRELEVANT, and make it relevant is what put us in this uberstupid POSER age.

The same for the stupid and irrelevant women vs men thing, we need to have the same rights, yes, but banning sexual behaviors beyond a real raping, is just plain PURITANS roots at their best, and is sick to see "feminist women" slut shaming girls embracing beauty, their whole rational scheme is broken, they defend Transgenders (me too of course) when male transgenders are the first ones objectification the women's body at the same time they slut shame some women saying they are helping the "patriarchy" oversexualizing their image. If the body isn't so important, why transgenders want to look femenine? and why if we do not want women look in the feminine way we defend them men trying to look as women? It should not be better to call them WOMEN even if they never need to go through surgery... OH! LETS LOOK TO THE INSIDE... <--- again monotheistic puritans roots on this, as the SOUL being more important than the physical world. Greek, Roman or Pagan philosophies embrace the beauty and the importance of the body the same way they did with the mind, FEAR of the body cames with Judaism, Christianity and Islam. VERY interesting that new 3rd wave feminism is so AFRAID of sexual representations of women... VERY interesting... no wonders they can rant vs. games for patriarchy, at the same time they defend patriarchal religions... do we see the scheme? Is written down in their moral system.

Is as stupid as the idea of "videogames are full of representations that try to please white males" but hey! if Jesus Christ is represented white and male, hey! is Jesus Christ... and even if the poor boring virgin never had a dick inside to get pregnant... that is GOOD, isn't patriarchal...

PURITANISM and Stupidity at it's best.
Post edited November 24, 2015 by YaTEdiGo
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Rusty_Gunn
I fail to see how this is for the worse. That one tweet is hardly a sign of any sort of insidious agenda. As I've said many times before what you are reacting to is criticism.
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ryannaughton1138: Rusty_Gunn
I fail to see how this is for the worse. That one tweet is hardly a sign of any sort of insidious agenda. As I've said many times before what you are reacting to is criticism.
Just one more thing,

Check how he/she didn't reply any serious argument or the whole picture but want to focus in the small details, in this case a Tweet on Twitter. If arguments can put you in a problem, better ignore the facts and move the conversation to stupid irrelevant points. Twitter is full of this, if an idea were built Twitter, this idea were been sophism, is the perfect platform for pure 140 characters of stupidity, so short, that you can push a company to fire someone for a non contextual or explained stupid quote, but if they are nice for you, then you can just name them as a ... "hardly a sign of any sort of insidious agenda"

Depending on what is more convenient.
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ryannaughton1138: Klumpen0815
That seems to be an extreme, and not exactly accurate description of what's happening here. Not to mention that this kind of moral equivalence fallacy is one of the more disturbingly popular fallacies out there. Also a bunch people criticizing cretin aspects of society isn't automatically "creeping authoritarianism," it's just criticism.
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YaTEdiGo: Yeah sure, people like Keigh Alexander saying I AM A MEGAPHONE and threatening a developer to never get a job, isn't creepy at all, LOL and is not an isolated example...
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LeonardoCornejo: Well. I partially agree and partially disagree with you. I do think everyone should be free. But I also consider transgenders dellusional (As in harmless but dellusional) and all the other made up genders (Otherkin, non bynary, queer, etc) very dellusional and the result of a mind with nothing better to do and poserism.

I mean, for a group and generation which claims to reject labels they have too many labels, and what they claim does not adjust to their reality, even worse, they want others to adjust to their claims. That is what bothers me and where I take issue.

For example trans people claiming it is trasphobic for a straight guy to reject a trans just because he has a penis. That is sickening and absurd. If you are fully straight of course you don't want to date someone with a dick.

But I do think they are still people and human beings and do not deserve persecution. If I ever saw an otherkin being beaten on the street just for being otherkin, I would stop that because even though I think they are wrong I think beating them to a pulp for being wrong is much worse.
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YaTEdiGo: Transgender shouldn't be an issue, it was ALWAYS there, in some way or other, science and surgery only helped people to embrace it in a better way.

Caring about Transgenders or similar things as an ISSUE is what opens the door to "progressives cultists" as you probably accurately named them before, homosexuality in any of their kinds it should be a NORMAL thing that nobody should care about, not to criticize it, not to give them positive discrimination, there are tons of delusional things in our lives, to really care about Michael Jackson trying to be white, or a man trying to be a woman, etc. it should be IRRELEVANT, and make it relevant is what put us in this uberstupid POSER age.

The same for the stupid and irrelevant women vs men thing, we need to have the same rights, yes, but banning sexual behaviors beyond a real raping, is just plain PURITANS roots at their best, and is sick to see "feminist women" slut shaming girls embracing beauty, their whole rational scheme is broken, they defend Transgenders (me too of course) when male transgenders are the first ones objectification the women's body at the same time they slut shame some women saying they are helping the "patriarchy" oversexualizing their image. If the body isn't so important, why transgenders want to look femenine? and why if we do not want women look in the feminine way we defend them men trying to look as women? It should not be better to call them WOMEN even if they never need to go through surgery... OH! LETS LOOK TO THE INSIDE... <--- again monotheistic puritans roots on this, as the SOUL being more important than the physical world. Greek, Roman or Pagan philosophies embrace the beauty and the importance of the body the same way they did with the mind, FEAR of the body cames with Judaism, Christianity and Islam. VERY interesting that new 3rd wave feminism is so AFRAID of sexual representations of women... VERY interesting... no wonders they can rant vs. games for patriarchy, at the same time they defend patriarchal religions... do we see the scheme? Is written down in their moral system.

Is as stupid as the idea of "videogames are full of representations that try to please white males" but hey! if Jesus Christ is represented white and male, hey! is Jesus Christ... and even if the poor boring virgin never had a dick inside to get pregnant... that is GOOD, isn't patriarchal...

PURITANISM and Stupidity at it's best.
I agree with you on that.
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ryannaughton1138: 2. Citation needed for Gamergaters being doxed, because a lot of it's opponents seem to be the ones who were doxed. Now why is that?
Because the people responsible for covering such harassment aren't real journalists, and they're more interested in maintaining their narrative than actually providing an accurate portrayal of what's happening. But more to the point, here are a few examples I had just lying around:

http://i.xomf.com/wsxvv.png
https://twitter.com/GGfeminist/status/514238397653590016
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2hov3c/king_of_pol_has_been_doxxed/
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2tbbkg/a_final_letter_to_gamergate_from_lizzyf620/

That's just a taste, of course. During the SPJ airplay thing, people were (allegedly) doxxing pro-GG people in the chat, and a lot of the doxxing happened around the beginning of this whole brouhaha before many of us had the good sense to make screencaps or archives of what was happening. Surely four examples of doxxing (including one transgender individual and one feminist) is enough to get the point across, though. After all, had they been anti-GG, they'd have pages upon pages of righteous outrage in everything from Polygon to the mainstream press.

But they don't get to be considered victims because their views are inconvenient.