Yes they are. Research please.


That's a crock. Games already appeal to a vast audience. Utter nonsense. Again research before you post.


What we have today is not capitalism in the true sense and if you actually tried to find some facts you'd find that crappy politically correct games generally don't sell all that well. Games sell on over and above everything else on GAME-PLAY! Surprise surprise! One of, if not the most successful game series of all time - Civilization - has absolutey nothing to do with any of the pc sjw nonsense you're trying to force on gamers, in fact quite the opposite, it openly and blatantly plays on racial and nationalistic divisions. In fact I believe at some point someone got all shook up about the leader heads being viewed as racial stereotypes.

Let's have some facts instead of unsubstantiated declarations. Will someone get the angry Sjw here some information please?

And once again, you ignore the point...
Why does EVERY game have to be inclusive?
They don't! It's no big deal. There is nothing wrong with it. End of story...
Just because some asshats can cherry-pick a few games for lacking diversity, doesn't mean that is a problem.
Why do so many Japanese games have mostly Japanese characters? Talk about lack of diversity...
Of course I'm being sarcastic here, because the Japanese made the game for their fellow Japanese.

Let's put it this way...
Some people care about real social justice and some SJW idiots like you are complaining because every videogame doesn't have LGBT characters or that McDonalds isn't paying them $15 an hour or whatever other crackpot idea you have for your great (stupid) Utopian society. Some of us are part of the real world and others like you live in la-la-land...

I explained exactly how "inclusion" is a bad argument. Plus, where does it stop...I don't see a lot of videogames for Eskimos, and very few for 2 foot Dwarves. We don't need every game to be inclusive for every special flower on the planet...but by all means, if you care enough, make your own games for you and your friends and stop DEMANDING that others make their games for you. Because all that does is make you whiny.

And frankly your twisted example of capitalism, seems almost every game designer who caved in to the whiny SJW brigade followed it up by complaining about not meeting sales expectations. Back to my example about Terra Nova, a game for "everyone" would most likely end up being a game for "no one".

And actually I can imagine SJW the videogame right now...
4 hours of character creation and they blow their budget so there is no game play at all...

Shadowstalker16
Dogma eh? So "SJWs" are a religious organization now?

noncompliantgame
If by research you mean go to Breitbart.com and InfoWars than no. I'm not going to websties that churn conspiracy theories and other tabloid nonsense. If by research you look at what major game developers are saying, and doing with there games than yes, I do that.

Also, if video-games automatically "appeal to everyone" why are there major game companies taking diversity more seriously?

RWarehall
No one is saying that every game has to be inclusive. It is merely criticism of gamings lack of inclusiveness. That's all it is. You can't just force an industry to make something inclusive. It's impractical, and requires the kind of resources usually reserved for James Bond villains. And just because the games will get more inclusive doesn't mean all that all your white male lead games will suddenly be banned. Even if they have questionable moments they are still going to available via GOG, Steam, Origin, or whatever digital distribution system you please. And white male protagonists aren't going to be going away anytime soon, but it is nice to come across games that allow you play as someone other than that that isn't the result of character creation.

That isn't the point; but it is BTW. What proof do you have that these methods will improve inclusiveness? You have not told us the extent of the problem of hostility to women or trans people or racial minorities or attack helicopters or anything. You haven't explained the causes of those problems. You haven't said whether or not these factors come from the group itself or externally. You haven't told us why the current atmosphere is excluding people. You haven't told us what you base this current unproven set of theories on. Then how can you say ''x will make the game more inclusive''? And call anyone who questions it a racist or sexist or transphobe? Is it about inclusiveness or you wanting to be right?
Except the journalists who hold power on publicity taking the words of turds like Sarkeesian as fact and saying 'x will be hurting to women; therefore it shouldn't be there''. And even if; we are allowed to have a problem with it. They have a problem, they try to solve. We have a problem, we try to solve it. Got any probs with that? Good 'ole equality if you know the actual meaning.

You are so full of shit...
The fact is many people are saying that every game needs to be inclusive and accommodating...
If its just gaming in general being criticized and its okay for some games not to be diverse, why does Anita and others take Witcher 3 specifically to task? Or any other medieval based game for that matter?
Why are certain people calling for EA to make their game instead of the next Call of Duty?
Why are some people telling developers they don't need to make their games for males anymore?
Why are certain publications downrating games just because of these things?

Gaming is inclusive, there are games for everyone. It's not just criticism, it's crazies claiming all games need to be made in their Utopian vision of diversity which seems to be whichever diversity they are advocating for...

So I take you'll stop visiting Kotaku and Polygon then

And you're living in a fantasy world in which some games are for men and some fairly other games are for women.

A fantasy world in which men get to play with guns and women really want the bakery stuff and pink dresses.

A fantasy world in which women don't buy, play and love a whole lot of very different games, basically the same you do.

A fantasy world in which women condemn entire games they have played ad nauseam for mere details they happen to dislike.

A fantasy world in which people can 'vote with their wallets' against disappointing details in the exact games they absolutely love.

A fantasy world in which criticism of something as intricate as narrative structure is coming from the outside of gaming fandom.

A fantasy world in which games change for any other reason than a designer's vision and the lust for money.

A fantasy world, with black and white variants of social justice, and "social justice warriors".


If you have to live in a fantasy world, not that I'm all opposed to it, but how about something basically credible for a change? Also, please do something against your Tourette's, because it really is acting up. Thank you.

Do you ever address any point as opposed to picking and flinging another attack to keep the exchange going until your trigger point at which you leave and come back months later?

Based on Favslist, women and men want to play mostly the same games, and according to recent studies, the divide is near 50/50 both for games playing and for game console ownership. The last fact has been true since five years if I read that study correctly.

http://www.favslist.com/lists/Most-Anticipated-Games/11
http://www.theesa.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/ESA-Essential-Facts-2015.pdf
http://www.pewinternet.org/2015/10/29/technology-device-ownership-2015/

Eh, I'm waiting for the fun when the people who claim to be inanimate objects start railing for their freedom from the bio-organics. Furniture-kin, safe spaces for lamp shades, that sort of thing. Can't wait until human versions of toaster ovens call out the bio-triarchy for not giving toaster ovens a fair shot at kitchen-ware neutral bathrooms.

Real freedoms for synth life! No more oppressing the digitally inclined. All hail the great lord factory Gods for gracing us with movable parts and rust-free pin-screws! The crazy train is at the station. Get a number. Wait in line. Currently serving gay and trans passengers. It'll be a while before we get to the non-binaries and dragon-kin.

Hilarious. Have a +1.

Anecdotally, it seemed there was a sizable portion of female players/modders in the Elder scrolls communities (at least when Morrowind & Oblivion were big)

First, you need to read your own links. The important one is is the percentage of games purchased by gender. Note: this includes console and mobile games. 59% of games purchased by men vs. 41% by women. Not 50/50 at all. Furthermore, from what I've read elsewhere, this figure may drop to about 1/3 counting only computers and consoles. Or in other words, 2 men buying games for every woman.

That doesn't mean its an insignificant number, these are just the facts as best as it can be determined. Let's just say that certain individuals have a creative way of manipulating statistics to makes it seem the numbers are more equal. Chief among them is by asking questions that nearly 100% of the population will answer "Yes" to or other questions that will artificially increase the number of women in the statistic. For example, ask the question, "Have you played any video game on your phone, a console or a computer in the past year?" Virtually everyone will say yes, giving you a result that says game play is equal among the sexes. This intentionally ignores volume of play and is intentionally distorting the statistics by counting everyone and ensuring the only answer will approach 50/50.

The next trick, "Do you own a console (Wii, PS4, etc) in your home?" The purpose here is to count mothers and significant others in the statistic who may or may not be playing games on a regular basis. I'm saying to be careful with statistics, they are easy to manipulate.

But like I said, if you really look at it with the goal of the actual truth, you'll find that lies probably somewhere in the 33% to 40% range of female to male game purchasing and/or buying, not 50/50. But some people would like you to believe it is closer to 50/50 to serve their agenda...
You are just greatly disturbed in your own fantasy world.
Clearly, some game designers design games that have a greater appeal to men. Fact...
And the rest of your drivel...forgettable...typical of a SJW troll such as yourself who has a penchant to lie and distort the truth...but hey, I'm sure you'll go back to falsely trying to portray people as racist. You are just a despicable individual. Go back to your Jew hating...

https://archive.is/Ztzxg

The only winning move is not to play.


http://techraptor.net/content/the-legend-of-linkle

There you go again. Don't understand it? Doesn't fit your narrow zeitgeist? It's all conspiracy theory. The lazy man's (or woman's or hermaphrodite's or non-gender specific being's etc etc ) way of argument.


Clearly from your comments here you do little or no research and are merely parroting doctrine you have been trained to recite.


I did NOT say that. I said "... crappy politically correct games generally don't sell all that well. Games sell on over and above everything else on GAME-PLAY ..."

And please use the quotation system to reply to people. This may help you break your nasty habit of misquoting or just out right fabricating what others, those whose opinions differ from yours, have stated.


F*ckin' 'ilarious! X-D

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