Pherim: I have never watched Universe, so I can't say anything about it.

drealmer7: ...SeaQuest ... btw same creator as Farscape.

Lifthrasil: Since we deviated from Star Trek anyhow and are talking about good SciFi shows: Firefly!!!

Breja: Blake's 7 man, Blake's 7. If you can forgive the almost non-existant production values, it's one of the best sci-fi shows out there, especially the first two seasons. And without it there would be no Babylon 5, no DS9, Firefly or Farscape. That's the one that really brought an over-arcing narrative to sci-fi tv, and many themes that those shows explored later. It's dark, a little orwellian, very british, it's like Star Treks evil british twin. And Kerr Avon might just be the greatest character to ever grace the screen.

drealmer7: Firefly is atrocious - the worst thing that Joss Whedon has made, and that is saying a lot because everything he has made is utter crap!

Breja: Oh come on. Now I'm starting to think you're trolling me across all those threads :D Not liking Firefly is one thing. But claiming it's worse than shit like Buffy or Age of Ultron? No way.

muttly13: Q not a D EX M? How do you figure that? Lets ignore the series altering Borg. How about the number of times Picard was placed then removed from unwinnable situations (Ha! Pun totally intended). He provides the text book definition of the term.

Breja: Not liking Firefly is one thing. But claiming it's worse than shit like Buffy or Age of Ultron? No way.

drealmer7: I can't stand Janeway.

I can't stand Kate Mulgrew.

I like Sisko.

I can't stand Avery Brooks.

I was fortunate to be able to attend comiccon some years ago that had a panel of all 5 captains. Avery Brooks was soooo full of himself and dominated the entire panel, it was really annoying, and when he wasn't forcing himself to be the center of attention Kale Mulgrew was there also extremely full of herself thinking she was super clever and a gods-given gift to acting. I could see the look on Shatner's face repeatedly going "wow, are these people for real?"

Janeway is so fucking horribly awful and annoying I can't believe I made it through all of Voyager. I wanted to like it because I like Star Trek in general, and some of the individual stories are interesting enough, but every single character is BAD, boring, or pukeworthy - EXCEPT 7 of 9 (who I don't find to be the slighest bit attractive and her interest in only relatively good based on how bad the others are.)

DS9 has some of the most interesting, dynamic, well-written characters and relationships between those characters in a TV show. I've watched the series numerous times (at least 4?) and the complexity is impressive still (and when you know the stories and can see how they unfold with an understanding of where they're going...whhewwww!)

LootHunter: It's you, who claiming that Wheadon's signature work (Buffy) is shit. You just can't stand people whose opinion is different than yours.

Sorry, I didn't want to interfere but Buffy is one of my favorite tv series.

macuahuitlgog: Why do you like Buffy so much?

macuahuitlgog: WOW...your hatred of Voyager is irrational, man. It's not that bad.

drealmer7: it is that bad

macuahuitlgog: It can't be that bad because in many ways, it is like the previous Star Trek series. It follows a similar recipe. You have a Vulcan on the bridge who is a true Vulcan. Not emotional. You have a brilliant engineer chief. You have a doctor that is similar to McCoy. Of course, his character lacks depth compared to McCoy because he is just A.I. but he is similar to McCoy. You have a starship. You have exploration. You have battles. The series stays true to Star Trek lore. It just seems to me, you personally can't stand Captain Janeway and some other main character. Maybe her face or voice triggers an a negative emotional response in your brain.