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Posted December 04, 2015
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I'm probably going to be the black sheep here, but I have never understood the personal information argument against DRM.

If you have a heat/light bill, they have your personal information.
If you have a phone bill, they have your personal information.
If you have a job, they have your personal information.
If you have a bank account, they have your personal information.
If you have a credit card, they have your personal information.
If you have an email address, they have your personal information.
If you have social media, they have your personal information.

People give out their personal information all the time. It's basically required to function in society. What does it really matter if one more person knows your name or email? If they send you spam, you can always block it.
Posted December 04, 2015
I'm saying nothing new, but this is how the whole thing has gone for me:

I read about that around the Internet, I made my way to the site, I clicked "download Shadow Compelx for Free"... to find out that the installer was around 27Mb big. Since this is suspiciously low for a complete game, I read a bit more and found out that it is nothing but Epic's new specific client installer.

Too bad, the game seemed promising, but there is no way in hell I will support the new "each publisher has its client (required to play games)" trend. None.
Like EA "on the house" thing, that is just a treat to gather positive feedback for something that -imo- is not positive at all.
In a couple of years, for each game you'll buy you will have to make an account on a different service. No thanks, this will never have my support, not even if they give me a thousand games for free.
Post edited December 04, 2015 by Enebias
Posted December 04, 2015
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torvuseremita: I'm probably going to be the black sheep here, but I have never understood the personal information argument against DRM.

If you have a heat/light bill, they have your personal information.
If you have a phone bill, they have your personal information.
If you have a job, they have your personal information.
If you have a bank account, they have your personal information.
If you have a credit card, they have your personal information.
If you have an email address, they have your personal information.
If you have social media, they have your personal information.

People give out their personal information all the time. It's basically required to function in society. What does it really matter if one more person knows your name or email? If they send you spam, you can always block it.
These tend to minimal information other than social media, which I don't use. Yes, email accounts are now heavily compromised. The point is, why give out more than you need? Whilst there are safeguards against data misuse in most countries, keeping it to a minimum is always the best idea.

Secondly its not one person, its full on data mining, everything you do on a computer is monitored and captured somehow, so why provide another company the means to acquire this for their own monetary gain?

Not for me thanks, free is far to expensive when you really look at it.
Posted December 04, 2015
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andysheets1975: Epic has a client? Why...?
Reasons.
Posted December 04, 2015
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nightcraw1er.488: These tend to minimal information other than social media, which I don't use. Yes, email accounts are now heavily compromised. The point is, why give out more than you need? Whilst there are safeguards against data misuse in most countries, keeping it to a minimum is always the best idea.

Secondly its not one person, its full on data mining, everything you do on a computer is monitored and captured somehow, so why provide another company the means to acquire this for their own monetary gain?

Not for me thanks, free is far to expensive when you really look at it.
Pretty much any bill is going to require your full name, address, and phone number. Ditto for bank and credit card, and they may look into your financial history as well. In addition to name, address, and phone number a job will also require your social security number/social insurance number, and may require other things like a background/criminal history check. I believe all the Epic Client asks is for your name and email.

To each their own, I suppose.
Posted December 04, 2015
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nightcraw1er.488: These tend to minimal information other than social media, which I don't use. Yes, email accounts are now heavily compromised. The point is, why give out more than you need? Whilst there are safeguards against data misuse in most countries, keeping it to a minimum is always the best idea.

Secondly its not one person, its full on data mining, everything you do on a computer is monitored and captured somehow, so why provide another company the means to acquire this for their own monetary gain?

Not for me thanks, free is far to expensive when you really look at it.
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torvuseremita: Pretty much any bill is going to require your full name, address, and phone number. Ditto for bank and credit card, and they may look into your financial history as well. In addition to name, address, and phone number a job will also require your social security number/social insurance number, and may require other things like a background/criminal history check. I believe all the Epic Client asks is for your name and email.

To each their own, I suppose.
A bank needs your details to send you cards and such like, same for work. Both have stringent controls on data. Neither require a phone number, and yes if I applied for credit then there would be a check, but never needed to do that. As for background/criminal, they would need to ask permission before starting. Epic Client is not required in any sense ever for any purpose. It is there solely to tie your into their store, so they can sell you products, and mine your data. Do you not see a vast difference, one is basic necessity, the other basic commercialism.
Posted December 04, 2015
Yes this game is one of my faves, finished it multiple times on 360 but not installing a client to get it, Epic fail.
Posted December 04, 2015
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X-com: Yes this game is one of my faves, finished it multiple times on 360 but not installing a client to get it, Epic fail.
Completely agree.
Posted December 04, 2015
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torvuseremita: Pretty much any bill is going to require your full name, address, and phone number. Ditto for bank and credit card, and they may look into your financial history as well. In addition to name, address, and phone number a job will also require your social security number/social insurance number, and may require other things like a background/criminal history check. I believe all the Epic Client asks is for your name and email.

To each their own, I suppose.
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nightcraw1er.488: A bank needs your details to send you cards and such like, same for work. Both have stringent controls on data. Neither require a phone number, and yes if I applied for credit then there would be a check, but never needed to do that. As for background/criminal, they would need to ask permission before starting. Epic Client is not required in any sense ever for any purpose. It is there solely to tie your into their store, so they can sell you products, and mine your data. Do you not see a vast difference, one is basic necessity, the other basic commercialism.
The point of the giveaway is to promote the client, nothing more. They designed a client and they want you to use it. CDPR isn't any different in this sense when it came to Witcher 3 and Galaxy.
Posted December 04, 2015
I downloaded the epic games launcher, now it just says please wait when I open up the epic games launcher. Nothing happens.
Posted December 04, 2015
lol client is the new drm now
Posted December 04, 2015
I find the hate for the client a bit.. over-the-top. The main reason it exists is to serve as a marketplace for Unreal Engine 4's assets, and games come as a secondary option. It's annoying to install yet another client, yes, but if you love metroidvanias you'll be missing out because of "principle-schminciples."
Posted December 04, 2015
Thanks for the heads up SCPM.

Looks like the Epic account site doesn't work. I'm not sure if I have an account there, but can't even check.

Anyway, I have the game on the Xbox 360 (and haven't played it yet), so it's not a huge deal not to have it on the PC, but I'll try again later.
Posted December 04, 2015
Geez, that client is awful.
It's slow as snail and likes to throw various error messages at me.
It started with registration when it first said several times it can't reach server, then told me it is unable to register me and right after it, when I tried again I was told my e-mail is already registered.
Now I finally got in and it is trying to open some tab but it started few minutes before I even satrted this post and it is still processing.
Not sure if it's worth the hassle.
Posted December 04, 2015
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Vitek: Geez, that client is awful.
It's slow as snail and likes to throw various error messages at me.
It started with registration when it first said several times it can't reach server, then told me it is unable to register me and right after it, when I tried again I was told my e-mail is already registered.
Now I finally got in and it is trying to open some tab but it started few minutes before I even satrted this post and it is still processing.
Not sure if it's worth the hassle.
Damn, sounds like my Uplay issues a while back, don't know what it's like now though. We shouldn't have to put up with this shit just to play a darn game!
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