I have never seen anybody self identify as "leftist" - as that tends to be rather right wing terminology. Make of that what you will.

As to the game, might be a laugh, might not.

edit:
nevermind, it's a headache I don't need :P

The point of having a curated store was not to see this sort of garbage in the front page (nor a deluge of rubbish anime pseudo-games, but that's besides the point). In case it's not clear, the problem here is the explicit, non-ambiguous apology of real-life violence that's both used to sell and permeates the game, more than the kind of ideology being promoted (although when you've lived through the process advocated by these clowns as I have, you'll learn you can't separate the latter from the former).

You've previously left a couple of legitimate games out of the store, presumably because of private controversial opinions from their developers, even though the actual products featured no such opinions, and certainly no promotion of real-life violence. But as this game's developers are "on the right side of history", you give them front page privileges.

In case you're thinking this is some sophisticated "trolling" attempt from the developers (that at least would have been entertaining), sadly these guys appear to actually buy the garbage they're peddling. Just the state of politics today.

Things like this make me appreciate Gabe Newell's approach even more - just let the floodgates open and don't play favorites, even though this results in a cramped mess of a web front and makes discovering worthwhile games a pain.

I will have to check all the release threads of the police-related, military-related, and even colonization-related games to see if you and similar critics in this thread have posted there too.

Otherwise I get the impression that your position is as hypocritical (for lack of better word) as you are accusing the curation's position to be. In other words, you seem to accuse them of only wanting to accept games that don't personally offend them/certain presumably-desired customers, but you don't want them to accept games that personally offend you. Accusing curation of having a double standard, while wanting them to accept a different double standard.


You referred to "Tonight We Riot" at the beginning of your post as "garbage". Could you explain why this game is "garbage" and not "worthwhile" without referencing political opinions? Additionally, one of the best arguments in favor of opening up the floodgates is to point out that if some people don't like a game, that's okay, because they can just play different ones. "Don't like it, don't play it". Do you/others with similar position disagree with that sentiment?

Check please. And when you'll find a game on GOG that promotes the exploitation of people and violating human rights as unapologetically as this game promotes civil unrest and mob uprising, let me know.

Tropico 4 has the gameplay mechanic of a Swiss Bank Account, which activly encourages you to exploit people and political decisions. Also you are encouraged to opress your people and undermine the political system, using all kinds of violence, propaganda, manipulation and opression.

Red Faction Guerilla has side missions where you kill people who do not share the political view of the RF, without being active perpetrators for violations of Human Rights. Also starting bloodbaths gives you a moral boost. The whole plot activly promotes to tolerate civilian casaulties and dehumanisation of people, just listen to the comments of the NPCs.

There are countless others if you look closer.

Both are good games through.

I think you misunderstood me. I know that there are many games that allow you to commit questionable, immoral or outright evil acts. But those games still show those actions for what they are. If I remember correctly, in Tropico siphoning money to a Swiss Bank Account has its own repercussions, like you have to "share" money with corrupt customs officers, etc.

Also, Tropico series in particular is based on Cuban regime and Latin America dictators in general, thus is basically a continuation of "Tonight We Riot", showing how situation plays out after "revolution".

What I've asked for was an example of a game that actively portrays economic exploitation as a good thing and working class as a mindless mass that must be controlled.

Highly profitable?

[deleted]

Duh! I mean, why would people do something immoral, not to mention illegal, if there wasn't some gain from it?

The question is - does game show "the other side"? Sure, conquest brings a lot of money and power, but games like Civilization or Crusader Kings also have mechanics against warmongering - making players know that there are negative consequences.

Hang on a second, this seems like you are moving the goalposts. Why are you asking for a 1:1 analogy of pro-exploitation of the working class to counterbalance Tonight We Riot's riots against exploitation? The original statement I was addressing was simply about "the explicit, non-ambiguous apology of real-life violence that's both used to sell and permeates the game, more than the kind of ideology being promoted."

In other words, the original statement was broad and incorporated way more than just "economic exploitation". That is, if (like the poster I was addressing) your issue is with "the explicit, non-ambiguous apology of real-life violence that's both used to sell and permeates the game", then logically speaking you should also be denouncing the types of games I mentioned: police-based, military-based, colonization-based.

All that said, perhaps the Imperialism games are a viable answer to your question of asking for a pro-exploitation game? Granted, it doesn't explicitly deal with working class exploitation specifically. But let me know what you think of these quotes from the game description of Imperialism 1:

"Do you have the necessary ambition and skills required to carve up underdeveloped nations and expand your country’s sphere of influence? Then go forth and conquer the world using any and all means available to you. Exploit the New World for its cornucopia of riches and resources as you race towards imperial supremacy over the entire world. ...Take the reins of command and remake history as you dominate the world in Imperialism!"

Does that sound like good behavior to promote?

Full disclosure: I own that game, as well as Tonight We Riot. For me it is possible to play such games and disagree with the actions of characters within/roleplay a ruler in the game/etc. I would also be "ok" with the other extreme examples you mentioned earlier like Crusade-simulator etc. Before you/anyone offers moral outrage at that, consider that you most likely already accept plenty of other games that contain ideologies harmful to people...just that they're not as popularly seen that way.

I am not saying to adopt any of these ideologies yourself, mind you.

Look Sachys SERIOUSLY CUT IT OUT before you get a ban

Don't come here spewing Leftist/Rightist B#llsh!t Ok.

Sachys loves low rating people don't you TinyE huh

Everything we do, we do for some gain or pleasure. And I don't mean simply just a monetary gain, act of altruism can bring pleasure to the one who does it, not just to the one who receives help.

And questions of immorality and illegality are matters of perspective, especially if we are talking about immorality. In today's age everybody gets easily insulted by something which is an upfront to their "moral values". If we want to be fair to everybody, then we should just ban everything so nobody gets upset and we are finally at peace; does that sound like good idea?

My humble suggestion: let us all just be more tolerant toward offensive and problematic titles, and stop acting like moral guardians who want to ban everything all the fucking time. After all, it's one thing to show an act of violence against certain group as a "positive thing" in your work of art, and it's completely different thing to commit an act of violence in real life.

Ok, that's indeed the type of the game I was asking about. At least in the promo materials, it really encourages the player to think as a conquerer, just like TWR encourages riots.

To be fair, I agree that you can play and even enjoy playing games that have political messages you disagree with (after all I myself enjoyed Dreamfall: Chapters despite every second character spewing at me some pro-immigrant, pro-LGBT or pro-Marxist nonsense) but I still think that among games that "unapologetically" tell that violence is preferable way to deal with social issues GOG has a bias towards the ones with socialist undertones.

UPD. WOW! -6 rep in less than three hours, someone clearly doesn't like criticism towards socialist propaganda.

yeah Nope F#ck that they are not getting any of my money because THAT is according to them "capitalism and its evil ruling class."

If it wasn't for Capitalism there would be

No TV
No HOUSES
No FOOD ON THE TABLE
No video games (Guess GOG and CDPR would be out of jobs)
No computers
No internet
No Take out
No junk food
No hospitals
No Medic-ade / Medicare
There would be no NOTHING!

we'd be living in caves banging rocks together and fending off thing like bears with our bare hands.

If we didn't have capitalism these fools would be dead on the sand with Teeth marks in them because there would be no guns!
AGH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Le Facts