I stated This thinking was contradicted by a mod ([Post 87]"Doc can not protect the same person 2 nights in a row"[/p] I wish I had known this voting.). However, such was my thought pattern when I voted.
As I was originally typing this, the last votecount had cop & watcher tied at one away from a majority; a majority would have hammered those two roles, and I wished for everyone to have a chance to discuss it.
NOTE: via editing, quotes got mixed up and I'm not quite sure what the above was originally, I think and hope my comments quoteing myself are correct.

I've noticed several purposely mispelled words; wondering i this is part of breadcrumbing or not. Worth checking into, if I survive.

good point.

1) Meh. i see his point fair enough, BUT it depends on which side I preconceive is scum.
2) yes. same. Willing to lunch ZFR.
3) Good, especially the later bit about lunching anyone but you.
3a) it is nice to see Red know what he is talking about as a newb to this forum's game. Please keep it up, Red!
3b) Yes, interesting. I almost want to vote him except his vagon rolled out and hit the trail.
4) Good to keep in mind, but not on D1 unless he proves scum beyond all duobt. Then again, the only person who I have noticed was "scum beyond all doubt" was Scene in Joe's last game.
5) mkay.
6) Tired of always being involved in someone mislunch, never voted this before, wanted to seek reactions. You and Lift gave me one.
7) I've gotten lost--has it been answered?

Honestly surprised pooka and zfr didn't call me on it, this looks bad for them.
I want to reread the trent/flub dynamic and the flub/lift one. and Lift/Pooka. Not sure I will, but i find them interesting.

I know I'm town, Lift thinks me or flub has been a bad boy, so I'll bow to his judgement for now and
vote flub

1. meh. thinking "out loud" here:
Once the cop has his target acquired, if there is a godfather, there is no reason to not blow his cover--unless the scum have a strongman instead, which is quite possible, so scratch this. The cop should try to stay alive ALAP, of course. If he's revealed and there is no doc left, ouch. If ST is in, doc probably gets removed no matter what. If no strongman exists that night, than the doc needs protection.
A) Gogfather and scum--blow cover, no point not to.
B) Ninja and scum. stay quiet, or desperately pray that the doc can protect you. better to be quietish.
C) Strongman and scum. Unless the doc got the Strongman and takes him to lunch, speaking up equals being kicked from the game. bad.
33% chance of reason to blow cover, 66% reason to not blow cover, 1% reason to blow on a dandelion instead.

2) go with your gut. you might be wrong, but we all are at times. I've been in an experiment and gotten some desired feedback, but not much.

Haven't seen Lift's response to Pooka's "How am I trying too hard" , am interested in the response. Seems like maybe bussing?

Why not question Book who voted for Doc & watcher? (notably, he was one of few--if not the only one--who did not vote cop)

Flub and conversely GR, probably Lift atm (was unsure previously, don't recall why).
Was this ever answered? If so, i missed it.
1) I make them, alright (see the previous game as proof).
2) Back and forth. GR had time to think but might not have had time to type it out. There have been times I've written a note online after I was supposed to be at the car; I can see this happening. He could have put his thoughts out there--I wish he had upfront, but I have to give him the benefit of the doubt. However, i can also see your narrative as having value.

3) ZFR vs Pooka: If I read it from T!Pooks view, ZFR is scum and Pooka is perhaps the only one calling him out on it...yet.
If read from T!ZFR's POV, Pooka looks bad, or at least tunneling. depends--if I live--on who i like more overall on a later day. I trusted Pooka last game and he snowed me.

4) I appreciate this advice, even if not given to me.

5) scummy, overall


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THOUGHTS from my brain:
We've dismissed ninja before I was satisfied, if ninja was picked, scum wish to distract from it. The other roles maybe have had their share of attention for now.
lift: no ninja (16)
Book: ninja (17 & 24)
ZFR: Tracker good if no ninja (31)
Lift: Ninja beats everything but cop (34)
me: ninja weak? (35)
book: warns of faults of doc, states book: ninja beats 2 town roles (43), claims to not know of HSL's out-of-game-analysis re watcher vs tracker; the tail end of a convo that Book was involved in. (see https://www.gog.com/forum/general/forum_mafia_administration_and_general_discussion_1/post5391)
Red: Watcher okay if no ninja (45)
ZFR: I'm ninja [bad post] (57)
ZFR: accuses GR or Book of being Ninja (67)
Book: wait and see (68)
Lift: explains reasoning why watcher is only blind to ninja, notes who voted for what role (70)
GR: as result of reading it as joke posts, sees book as leans town.

book voted watcher & doctor (see 70), had pre-day 0 (post mafia choosing the role) thoughts of ninja being best
Conclusion: is Book tipping his hand in an effort to make everyone think "he's way too cagey to reveal himself like that, he's got to be town"? It worked with GR and thus far with me. @MOD: I'll stick with voting Flub for now, with apologies to him if he's town.

@Lift, please tell me how I am trying too hard. This remains unanswered. I know you're going to be busy, but I'd appreciate it.

I hope to see his answers on both as well. You raise a good point. I think he did provide reasons for ZFR, but he did expand on them even more when he replied to you.


ZFR's wagon is going nowhere. Unhelpful. However, flub is becoming once again a viable option, and he has yet to convince me he's clean. Why, I can't help but feel that his responses have all been calculated, as in "what and when to post?". Last game when he was town and I was making my scummy case on him, I don't remember him being as calculating with his responses as he feels to me now.

unvote ZFR
vote flubbucket

Just a bit of advice and a suggestion: Try to label the bits of the post you're replying to with numbers or separate the post bits up to make it easier to figure out what you are replying to with each bit...it would make it easier for others to then tell what bits of your reply pertain to what bits of the posts you are replying to.

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1. Good tips/info.

2. What experiment? In game or elsewhere online/irl? Just curious.

Very short since I have to leave: I see that flubb is at L-1. I'm not going to hammer him.

@Micro: still scummy. You throw baseless accusations around. Spelling errors as hidden messages? Not answered questions as bussing? Really? ... You write a lot, and yet, as far as I can see, you didn't answer the one big question that you were asked: why did you vote no-lynch? My vote stays on you.

@Pooka: you're directing your question at the wrong person. You were accused of trying too hard (and of LAMIST) by others. Perhaps you should ask them. I said, you might also be Town just trying to scum-hunt and to answer questions asked. Sure, you can still be scum pretending to be town. I didn't discount that possibility. Discounting that possibility would be stupid. But my main beef with you is still that you participated in the quicktrain to secure Doc/Cop. However, the two others who helped drive that train (Micro and flubb) are scummier.

1. Why not hammer and hope we hit scum? Unless you are hoping the cop finds scum later during the "night"?

2. I am guessing Micro knew at the time we might not hit majority to lynch so he went with the most likely outcome/option. I could be wrong, though.

Well now flub is near lynch....let's see where this goes.

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1. Why not hammer and hope we hit scum? Unless you are hoping the cop finds scum later during the "night"?

2. I am guessing Micro knew at the time we might not hit majority to lynch so he went with the most likely outcome/option. I could be wrong, though.


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Roleplaying again:

"GR, getting bored while waiting to see what comes of the day, pops in a nice music cartridge while ordering more cheese girl spread for his space adventures."

@Lift. I said so up front and I think again--
since then, I've become more convinced that Flub would make a viable luncheon.
Lift, I never said my thoughts were viable, overall, just put them down as (hopefully) interesting thoughts.

And "baseless" accusations? meh, thoughts with some degree of truth somewheres, and lot of answering questions asked of me, etc. I didn't accuse anyone to the point of voting for them...yet. Other than flub.You have yourself and you "any lunch is better than none" bit to thank for that. I relooked at stuff, decided Flub looked perhaps worst, and jumped.

GR: good points. Also, meant to say "doing an experiment", and the experiment was to see what/how people would react to a real no-lunch.

Seeing how quickly Pooka jumped makes me unsure of him.

Voting Flub
Willing to lunch Book, Pooka, ZFR, Lift.
Unwilling to lunch others.

> deadline literally less than 24 hours away
> my preferred wagon nowhere close to consensus
> my change of vote to second preferred wagon which seems to go somewhere is a "quick jump"

Stay classy, GOG Mafia.

So you want to rush to hammer without a role claim??

Vote: GameRager

>:(

Post 184

Pooka and ZFR didn't call you on what?

Hm.

Which ones are which? You have three names there, but I can't tell which ones you think are town or scum.

Post 139

Looking back at my post, I can see why you might think this, but it isn't actually true.

HSL has done a fair bit of analysis on a number of different things. I vaguely remembered some conversation that included him talking about some of the roles, but I wasn't sure where it was, I didn't recall the details, and I had no interest in digging when I might not know it even if I found it. I asked you for a specific reference because you (presumably) knew precisely which conversation you were remembering and you could probably locate it again.

Hm.

I like seeing people vote, but I'm a little torn after the talk of experimenting.

This was important enough to segregate into a separate post.

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flubbucket - 3 (GameRager, Microfish_1, PookaMustard)
Pooka - 2 (trentonlf, ZFR)
Micro - 1 (Lift)
GR - 1 (flubbucket)

Not voting: Bookwyrm627, RedFireGaming

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By my reckoning, the current vote count stands as above.

Flub is NOT at L-1 yet.

Pooka is still my favorite for scum; I'm content making him viable, though it still needs two more votes to hit lynch.

Vote Pooka

That said, I'll hammer Flub if anyone else votes him.
-I'm currently getting a neutral read from him; I haven't seen enough to make me want to preserve him, especially against No Lynch.
-There's something niggling at me, but I don't know what to make of it.

Trent and Lift have indicated they won't join Flub's wagon, which leaves ZFR or Red to provide that last vote for Flub.

**We have maybe an hour and change left before No Lynch.** Can we get an official vote count, please?

Vote Count

PookaMustard - 3 votes (trentonlf, ZFR, Bookwyrm627)
flubbucket - 3 votes (GameRager, Microfish_1, PookaMustard)
GameRager - 1 vote (flubbucket)
Microfish_1 - 1 vote (Lifthrasil)

Not voting: RedFireGaming

flubbucket and PookaMustard are tied for closest to lynch, at L-2.

With 9 players, 5 is a majority.

The deadline is approximately 2 hours from now.

But... but... You said L-2 is the new L-1...

I'll vote flub to prevent a no-lynch. Pooka is still my top choice though, and GameRager has moved to a spot above flub too.

Vote flub - purposely not bolded since I don't want Book to hammer immediately. flub, consider yourself at L-1 for the purpose of claiming.

For crying out loud. 1 hour left.

Vote flub

Vote Flub

I'm used to seeing Flub mention how he should be lynched, and I haven't seen it. I want to see what it means; I suspect this will either be quite good (scum) or quite bad (PR). Or uninteresting, because he simply didn't do it this game (VT).