Yeah, considering I think it could happend of course I can thinkg of why.
It was only minutes before deadline and it is not that easy thing to do so I could easily see many mods think about it instead of firing right away. I don't understand why this is even topic.

You want to start your training, but to your dismay it looks like someone has destroyed the Arstotzkan Official Book Of Approved Military Cadence Calls. You try to remember the words "something... something... Greater Good..." but none of you can recall them properly. Without cadence calls, your training has to be put off.

An argument ensues, which quickly escalates into a knife fight. When the dust settles, supplementscene is lying on the ground with several stab wounds. He's dead.

You search through his tent. There isn't much of interest there; just a few personal items. However in a hidden compartment in his sleeping bag you find a Kolechian ID identifying him as a Koletchian Military Intelligence officer. You look around but you can't find any clues regarding other Kolechian saboteurs.

supplementscene is dead. He was Shaddy Safadi (Mafia Goon).

You retire to your tents for the night.

D2 has ended. Please stop posting now.

N2 will last 36 hours.

Sorry for the (more than usual) wall of text in one post, but I wanted to get this out before the End of D2 is officially announced, and want to go to bed right after I hit the post button. Fingers crossed it goes through.


*hands over reading glasses*

Here, let me quote it for you [emphasis added]:

You did see my post asking you to answer Vitek's question, but didn't see anything else until I started poking you. Apparently.


Yeah well, sorry (not sorry), that's your problem, not mine. I don't see any acceptable logic in "Hey, I believe that claim, but it looks like he's going to be mod-killed, so yeah, let's spare the mod the trouble, and lynch him!" either, but you don't see me making a big deal out of it.


Heh. Did I limit your lack of interest to the time of EoD1? I'm certain I didn't. In fact, I said that you had no interest whatsoever in anything I did during D1 or D2 until I draw attention to you. You had ample time and opportunity, yet did nothing until that point, and practically fed you with things you could try to use against me. Try harder.


Apparently in a super secret way. Because you made no promises to initiate any questioning, and you had to stay true to that, eh?


I'm not. It was just an exaggerated way to tell you that I don't buy your newly discovered interest in scum-hunting; you were sitting on my absence and using it as an excuse to do nothing. If it were true, why didn't you direct your time and energy into questioning someone else while I was away? Why haven't you questioned anyone else all of D2?


Heh.


But you may have well noticed it later on. You know, like during N1. So one purpose might have paid off already; we'll see.


If you're trying to make me feel bad, you're wasting both our time. Since I tended to believe the claim at the time, why would I not want that? Oh, I forgot, you don't accept that logic.


If the mod had given him a public warning of any sort, and then didn't follow through, it'd have the meaning/value of what you say. As long as the mod doesn't make a public statement himself, it's nothing but the "threatened"'s claim. There's no point in trying to (d)educe what the mod's thinking and/or what he'd do, nor is there a point in criticising him pre-emptively.


As opposed to his D1 wagon that was pure?



What last minute cold feet? Everyone and their grandmother were on board with lynching him, and the way things were standing, even supplementscene may have come around and voted himself.

We had around three more days. What difference would it have made if you had waited a day, maybe two?



And here lies a good chunk of the answer you're looking for.


It's a combination of things. Being directly dangerous to scum on D1 isn't particularly common; just look at dedoporno's posts. Not being linked to them definitely was a factor, which admittedly wasn't all that hard, both because supplementscene monopolised D1, and because of dedoporno playing things close to the chest. And in a setup with multiple PRs, trying to figure out who may be one to take them out early is always a factor; with how things went D1, I'd say a bit more focus on trying to hit the Doctor specifically is quite likely (I think that even if the false-claim didn't come from the mafia team, it's likely they didn't buy it), especially after seeing Today's subtle fishing in that direction.

Final vote count:

supplementscene - 7: mchack, trentonlf, Lifthrasil, SirPrimalform, xyakim, flub, Bookwyrm
Lift - 1: supplementscene

Not voting: gogtrial, HSL, Joe, Vitek

12 players. 7 to lynch
Don't make me bring out the brig.

As you assemble in the morning, you notice someone else is missing tonight. It's Lift. You go to his tent and as you take a look at it, you get the feeling that something is a bit odd. For starters, "tent" is not the correct descriptive term any more. It's more like the remains of a tent. Actually, not even that. It's just a crater in the ground.

Unfortunately, it looks like there is nothing left that could give you any clue about Lift's identity.

Suddenly, there is lightning from heaven and a voice from above says.
"HE WAS A TOWN COP."

You're not sure what this means exactly, and which town was Lift supposed to be a cop of, nor why would the voice from heavens inform you about it, but you decide it all sounds legit.

Lift is dead. He was a Khaled Istom (Town Cop).

Time to go back to your training.

D3 has started. You may post here now.

It took me almost 7 hours of refreshing but my time to post has come. Now I can leave work and not post again.

Skimming over some scene's posts I would say Dessimu (that's Ix, right?) is more likely to be town now because scene tried if he would be able to push him at the beginning of game and mentioned him as supect later on as well and that initial push doesn't read like bussing or innocent buddy pushing (IBP) when I look at it.
Then also mchack because he was first to jump onto scene when D2 started.

I had one other person in mind who got a lot of town points from it but well, not gonna mention them now, because, you know, they are not with us anymore.

Tried to look at Lift's D2 posts to she whom he could have investigated but I see nothing.
Only target I could guess from his posts would be the very worst N1 investigation choice, scene, and I really hope it isn't it.

How do you feel about Vitek now??

Just got home. I wrote the following during the night but didn't post because I'm not a sneaky night poster (I'm reformed). Actual morning post to come after I've had a cup of tea and sat down for a bit.

_______________________

It would appear you need those more than me. The bit you quoted says reading, not re-reading as I was talking about my first reading of EoD shortly after the day had ended. So tell me again where I claimed to re-read that bit?

If you believed his claim and it looked like he was going to be modkilled, what exactly was the point of going for a nolynch instead?
There were two possibilities:
Scene is lying -> needs to be lynched
Scene is telling the truth -> will be modkilled

So your brilliant plan was to wait and see if he got modkilled and in doing so ensure a nolynch? In the event that he was modkilled it's not like there was hope of another lynch, therefore we might as well have lynched him to account for the possibility that he was lying and wouldn't be modkilled.

Congrats, you bought your buddy another day!

I mean sure, I spent the beginning of D2 discussing the scene situation but that's because I wasn't around for the clusterfuck that was EoD1. Believe me, you'd already caught my attention but I was occupied with other matters.

Exactly.

Because you're just so scummy!

Oho!

Seemed like an extremely desperate attempt to divert attention from your buddy.

I'm not trying to make you feel bad because I think you're mafia. See above for an explanation as to why it was an anti-town move. However you should feel a little bad if you're town because it was a silly thing to do and cost us a day, god knows I feel bad about some of my decisions in the last game. :P

Which is exactly my point. If it's the threatened's claim then there's two possibilities:
- it's a lie, lynch all liars
- it's the truth, empty threats are bad

Turns out it was the former, who would have thunk it?

I see a lot of stalling on lynching a (now confirmed) mafia member at EoD1. I imagine the mafia couldn't wait to bus scene today though.

Vote HypersomNiaClive
Now that's a slightly more helpful response!

Rebuild me!

(or at least avenge me!)

If anything, his eagerness looked a little suspect to me considering his "vote for anyone but Scene" stance at EoD1. He took his vote off Lift because that wagon didn't seem to be going anywhere, but instead of putting his vote on a viable wagon he decided to start a completely new one which also wasn't going to go anywhere in the available time.

Since he seemed to be busy it seems fair that he might have missed the following discussion involving quoting and modkills so that doesn't reflect as poorly on him as HSL's "well I believe him, let's all twiddle our thumbs while we wait for a modkill" stance.

It's still mildly suspicious that his response to the looming deadline was to take back a useless vote and replace it with another useless vote though.

I've not had a chance yet to express my smugness for getting a mafia on BASICALLY on day one except for some shenanigans:

YEEEEEEEEEAH!!!!! Sucks to be all y'all!!!

And now a cop is dead. Sucks to be all w'all too.

Yeah, I don't see how McHack really makes sense as buddy to supplementscene either. His post, in my eyes, made it clear that scene's lynch was inevitable, as it proved, (unless someone on the wagon had changed their mind for whatever reason), there was a majority willing to lynch him. From their people were falling over themselves to vote supplementscene, even if they'd refrained from doing so the evening before.

Vitek's still a bit of an obsession for me, but Hypersomnia and trent are in a similar boat behaviour-wise.

Bookwyrm hammered which I thought was premature, and Yakim hasn't been heard from in ages.

With all these people falling to the wayside, is it time for a BIG LIST OF PEOPLE AND WHAT JOE THINKS OF THEM???

Coming soon...

(actually not for a while this it a busy day sorry.)

Yakim - Who would you most like lynched at this very moment (say if it was deadline in TEN MINUTES!!!)? Who would you least like lynched?

Flub - what are you thinking about vitek?

Bookwyrm - Other than supplementscene, who've you given the most attention to this game?

Which post, you mean his D2 vote? Pretty sure the mafia would have started D2 knowing they had to bus scene so I'm not sure that particularly exonerates him even if it doesn't damn him. His reluctance to vote for scene on D1 speaks more IMO, although not as loudly as HSL's outright refusal.