With CCM rolls revealed, we know there are three mafia players. One down, leaving two, either another goon and a roleblocker, or a roleblocker and a godfather. That means we're certain there's a mafia roleblocker in the game.

With one town death on both nights, a SK is looking slightly unlikely, but far from impossible given that mafia roleblocker, and still the possibility of further town roles that could prevent a death as well.

An initial look didn't show me any potential breadcrumbing from Lift in his D2 posts about his N1 result. In fact, he almost solely engaged with scene. in #496 he mentioned that posts #405/#406 were not necessarily alignment indicative, engaged a bit with Ixam, and fails to give a ringing endorsement to Vitek. In #499 he engages more extensively with Bookwyrm.

Are you content with how swiftly the day ended? Would you in retrospect have wanted it to go on for longer? Or for it to be finished even more swiftly?
Why?

*NON GAME RELATED*
You’ve voted HSL because you think they’re scum, but the way you changed their name to say Clive at the end after they’ve stated they don’t want that to be used in reference to them is not necessary. I would kindly ask that you refrain from doing so anymore, and I’m asking this as their friend and don’t mean any disrespect toward you in the slightest.

*BACK TO THE GAME*

@Vitek, you’ve been very reserved so far and said you needed time to get a feel for the game, what are your thoughts now?


@bookwyrm, you said you didn’t want anyone to get cold feet again and the lynch not happen, did you really thing there was any way at all that he wasn’t going to be lynched? Why not wait to see if anyone did try to derail his wagon instead of rushing the lynch and denying us more time to talk as a group? I failed to follow that last game and we lost.

Sooo, you were certain you'd be around D2 to post this...


Amazing what flubbucket calling you out about your first D2 post could do.


I apologise then, I didn't read it the way you say.



For the last time, I'm not in the habit of lynching PR claims I tend to believe, period. If that means No Lynch, then so be it; I'll take it over having a hand in their death and giving an out to anyone wanting to go the "but hey, even those that believed the claim voted to lynch" route, should the flip support the claim.

I don't think there's any way left to state my position on this; I'm not going to waste any more time replying, should you return to this again.


You're welcome.


So, you're questioning what I was doing at EoD1, because, based on what you're saying after I poked you, you consider I intentionally led/caused the clusterfuck that was EoD1, but didn't do so at the beginning of D2 because you were occupied... discussing the EoD1 clusterfuck. Are you listening to yourself?

Am I the only one seeing this doesn't add up, to put it mildly?

If I had caught your attention and you were suspecting me as supplementscene's buddy, as you claim, questioning me at the beginning of D2 when you were discussing the supplementscene situation and the EoD1 clusterfuck should have been part of that discussion, if not a priority. But no:
- you started with a tentative post, in spite your post #397,
- you proceeded to place your vote after seeing that he was accumulating votes fast, and in a post addressed to the one that started your late wagon, because apparently that also didn't have anything to do with the supplementscene situation and the EoD1 clusterfuck,
- then kept floating,
- protested when I asked you where's your contribution/scum-hunting, and
- came up with this line of questioning only when I pointed out that you're spending your time beating on the dead horse, which you prefaced with a "Well let's see, ok".


Amusing; in order to make this argument, you're willing to appear as underestimating the mafia.


All in all, I'm mildly disappointed, SirPrimalform. I think you could have come up with better arguments; guess typing elsewhere took up most of N2.

Not at all but that's no reason not to have it ready to go if I survive is it?

Amazing what having a job can do! I'd literally just got home at that point, sorry that my levels of dedication to the game aren't high enough.

I forgive you. I still think you're mafia though.

That's fine, but my position remains that it was anti-town, either deliberately or accidentally.

I'd love to hear other opinions on HSL's reasoning.


Now now, let's not resort to cheating.

Not led or caused, but your behaviour and reasoning was highly questionable. At the beginning of D2 I was occupied with scene himself, since I wasn't around to discuss this during EoD1. Nice attempt to twist.

I said your behaviour caught my attention. I didn't start thinking you were scene's buddy necessarily until you made such poor excuses for said behaviour. While there are a couple of things eyebrow worthy in mchack's behaviour which I'm mentioned in other posts, I feel like it pales in comparison your particular brand of weird logic.

Har har. The night is a welcome respite to be honest, I'm pretty low on energy at the moment.

I apologise HSL. This is the first and only time I've done that to your name and I was unaware of any request so I can assure you that it wasn't an attempt to attack you.

Is ending the day on a Sunday a good idea? If yes, D3 ends Sunday evening. If not, Monday evening.

Ok, I'll be honest - I can't find any serious request not to be called Clive, just a lot of pirate talk. No wonder I was unaware of the deep offence this causes.

It'll give me a chance to be around for it so I'm fine with that.

I don't care either way. Make it easy on yourself.

I'm good with either day as Well, do what is best for you.


I sure hope the game has not hit a wall, the activity today is disconcerting :(

-Did HSL vote Scene at EOD 1? Is HSL Scum?

Who voted Scene at EOD 1?
-Scene accusing Trent, Joe, GOG as scum. These names kept being accused together.
-Scene accuses Lift and SPF in the same sentences. These names kept being accused together.
-Compare the Day1 wagon to Day 2 wagon.
--Lift, SPF, Flub, Wyrm on both.
--Joe, gogtrial on D1, not D2.
--Mchack, Trent, Ixam/Dessimu on D2, not D1.

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HSL, Post 439: But Mchack didn't say everyone on the wagon was lock town, just three of us.

Ixam, Post 449: Why was scum roleblocked?
-HSL asks this in 461. Multiple people ask this over course of D2; never answered.

Ixam, Post 451: ...Is Ixam an SK?

Gogtrial, Post 456: looking more town for the apparent analysis of EOD1.

HSL, Post 457: HSL coaching Scene?

Ixam, Post 462: Um.

Ixam, Post 465: Ixam is crazy rusty at playing Mafia. :)

HSL, Post 480: HSL makes a statement instead of just asking questions. He's mostly been just asking questions on D2.

Scene, Post 486: A wink at SPF as teammate? Or deliberate red herring?

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Mmm, crow. I do love the taste of crow. Time for me to eat up!

Not even the example in the OP is copy/pasted from the wiki.
In other news, now I am better informed about some of his apparent limits.

At the point that I posted 497, yes, I had decided not to lynch him. I figured he'd resolve himself within a game Day or two, one way or another, especially after his 413 (claims to be on final warning). I was right, though I didn't expect the alacrity with which he did so (post 438 via edit symbol).

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Lift, Post 499: My scenario was missing critical information because I hadn't seen the double post yet.

Part of it was an impression of laying out a story, as if scum had concocted a theory of events to try and get town to swallow (those last two lines (three sentences, last paragraph, whatever) stand out as an example). Coming right on the heels (in post order) of Mchack's push on Scene didn't help my impression of your post.

*shrug* I specifically said I'd only gotten to post 420. As far as my reading progress was concerned, the edit marker hadn't happened yet.

How did you go about doing this?

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Huh. HSL pivots into attack mode with his posting from Post 511 to 516.

Vitek, Post 520: That is one heck of a long post. I see why it took you an hour. ;)

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*shrug* It already happened once on Day 1 when I was in the middle of catching up on things I'd missed. I had an opportunity while he was at L-1, but I elected to wait until I'd finished reading. By the time I was current, he wasn't at L-1.

What kind of hack is the mod, anyway?? XD

In your mind, does this description of HSL fit anyone else?

While I'm inclined to agree, I do want to point out (and remind myself), that there might be as many as 8 different, simultaneous ways a kill might not occur (2 doctor shots, 2 town RB shots, 1 mafia RB, SK taking bullet proof, mafia and/or SK withholding a kill). So, still an imperfect conclusion.

My information about the current state of people's suspicions was way behind, but I had plenty enough information to make me just fine with hammering anyway. I could have waited until I was caught up, but doing risked missing the hammer if someone had started feeling insecure about their vote in the posts I hadn't read.

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Hm. I'd consider Mchack, HSL, Scene as a possible team, but that puts all three of them on the same wagon at EOD1. Granted, Supplement is the third on to that wagon, and there'd be zero bussing EOD1. It does put Mchack leading the charge on Day 2, however, which easily fits with a possible mafia prediction that Scene isn't going to make it (with him instead dedicated to doing as much damage as possible in his attempts to survive).

WALL OF TEXT TO THE RESCUE! A wall so big, I'm seeing a gogbear in the pop-up when I clicked to reply to your post here.

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Vitek! Ixam! We need to hear more from you guys! Get in here, ya kettles!

What does this even mean?

C9++ Document:

"Vanilla Townie
Welcome, [Player Name], you are a Vanilla Townie.
Abilities:
You have no abilities other than your voice and your vote.
Win condition:
You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.
"
vs OP: yes it is. it is a direct copy and paste. + some fluff (and Capitalising Town). Why are you lying?
if scene had done it, I'd have believed him. But so it was apparent that he had faked his claim.

resolve himself one way or another? he was scum. there was only one way to resolve him: lynch. You would have made day 3 all about scene aswell? Maybe day 4, too?

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anyway, didn't have time to do any re-read yet. Will start with it today.

I know what I would prefer but I don't mind deadline being at uncomortable time for players. At least we will be motivated to not delay all decisions until the very last moment.

I learned today that I will be most likely going for a trip on Friday and Saturday.
I'll try to get some posting in anyway but take it as forewarning that it will happen.


Then are you of the opinion it makes him more suspicious than less?
Is it because you suspect him or do you think you'd feel the way no matter who it was? (I know, speculations)
What's your read on him? Mafia?

I finally took longer look at the setup page and let's pretend, just for fun of course, that I have hard time understanding how the roles and the CCTV thing works. I have been looking at it and does it mean that if we know there was at least CCM that there are four letters left and mafia has anything between 0 and 4 Ts? And does that mean we still could have ie. 2 more cops, 3 blockers or some other silly combination?
Not that it was important but I am curious.

Does that post gives such impression. Why?

So it's more NAI than it making him suspicious?

You mean the letting his side down?

So what's your current read on mchack, gogtrial, HSL, Ix and SPF. Town or mafia?


Joe, what's your take on SeñorPrimitivoformar?

OK, tentative deadline for Sunday evening then.

Just a quick note from me. I have no time for the game from last night until probably some time tomorrow. I have two jobs today with not much of a gap between them.