no they wouldn't. with me doctor it's still perfectly possible to be CCMDDD? which would mean two doctors.
so another doctor would not mean I'm lying at all.

I fully agree on this. not even 3 hours left and no-one even engages Joe. (well, aside from trent, who at least tried, even if Joe simply ignores him yet)

I'm the only player less engaged than he is.



mchack's claim is possible. But as a firm believer in go big or go home I can see it as a false claim to suss out the doctor.....since the cop is dead.

No I do not read JoeSapphire as town.

But I will ask: Joe, do you want to go to the show??


I think killing me tonight would be just neato!!!!

Unvote: mchack


Vote: JoeSapphire

Yeah, I too am trying to figure out things and thus have to check various things to see if you are telling true. I know, shocking.
It haven't proved anything against you and you are complaining?
What are you? Me? :-)


Any dreams?

I’m going to be busy the next couple of hours, but I’ll try to pop in when I can. It seems Joe is taking the ignore everyone and hope they forget about me tactic while mchack has been actually defending himself and trying to figure things out.

Vote JoeSapphire

And I'm not done yet! And I sure hope to get better responses than the non-existent ones to my questions in post #728.


I actually think he's telling the truth. I don't really find his D1 out of character, especially when considering he subbed in, I don't find it hard to relate to his circumstances regarding EoD1 (I'm actually quite impressed by how many people regularly access and partake in forum mafia from their work place), and his full attack on me D2 is very much town!mchack based on my experience from past games. He doesn't always make the most logical arguments, and often can't see what's being pointed out to him, actually no, he refuses to accept it and comes up with some other counterargument to hold on to his theory (if he believes he found scum, it's almost impossible to make him let go).
I already said that if he's upped his scum game that much since game #54, I'll tip my hat to him, but from what I've seen so far I don't think he has.

I don't get the "lack of counter-claim" arguments, as multiple Doctors are possible in this game, and I don't see how another Doctor could know that mchack's not another, not to mention that any semi-competent player would know better than out themselves when doing so isn't necessarily proof of mchack lying.

And I'm inclined to think that were he false-claiming, with how things went till now, and the time he had, he'd be better off picking a different role than Doctor; he'd be risking too much scepticism and doubt leading to his lynch with a Doctor false-claim, imo.

Bookwyrm627's vehement push to get him lynched doesn't ring as town!Bookwyrm627 genuinely scum-reading mchack. And his lack of interest in anyone other than those that are on the chopping block feels off for town!Bookwyrm. Even if I did town-read Bookwyrm627, reading people isn't among town!Bookwyrm627's strong suits, so there's that.

I haven't yet addressed JoeSapphire's posts, but nothing I saw in them makes me reconsider my vote on him, quite the contrary. And that he's AFK, with less than 3hrs left till deadline, doesn't make him look any better. I get the feeling that he's making his survival a matter of us not lynching a player that's not here to defend themselves, and claim at the very least. That no-one (besides mchack) seems bothered about this is quite a bit puzzling.

Better?



You seem to have missed my first question, so please reply.

I still don't get how they'd know if mchack's lying. From the C9++ mafia wiki page:

D = Doctor
DD = Doctor + 1-Shot Doctor
DDD = 2 Doctors
DDDD = 2 Doctors + 1-Shot Doctor
DDDDD = 3 Doctors

If we're in D, then mchack could be him, if we're in DD there's also a 1-shot one, if we're in DDD there's another one, but how would that 2nd Doctor know that mchack's not the other Doctor? Unless you mean something else with "they'd know mchack's lying"?


Let me rephrase. Do you see merit in his focus on Vitek? Do his arguments against him ring true to you?

You also said that he shaded you twice during D2. Have you changed your mind on that? If so, why? If not, how does it factor in with your view on his play consisting only on focusing on Vitek?

Oi! I wasn't here!

I'm catching up but this caught my eye. I've just got some internet but I'm not sure how much time I have.

We have another two hours.

You're at L-1 by my count. Would you like to fess up?

Certainly I'd expect Joe to claim - obviously I'll have to reassess things once that happens. Hopefully it'll be sooner rather than later.

I'm here. Please note that despite my best efforts I might have a very stupid real life interruption still during the next two hours.

Simple typo.

I think it's all WIFOM, but I think scum wouldn't know what I'd think of it, and might overreact. Was what I got overreaction? Eh, on the edge...

Yes. I generally have dozens of browser tabs open, and for this mafia game alone I currently have six. Not all are actively used, but I'm sloppy with closing them, and only do so when I'm tabbing through. In this case I was completely absent from the computer for that gap of time, reloaded one tab, saw mchack's reply, and looked through other tabs, where luckily I had one from immediately after my last reply to screenshot.

Well, the twist in this game hadn't been revealed yet, so I should be keeping it in mind as an option. But, eh, that'll have run its course now. Go ahead, bro!

That's chiefly how I intended this to be read, yes.

Because he said it, and didn't participate in cutting the day short.

That'd need looking up the details again, so maybe later.

ugh. two hours till deadline, less than two hours before this computer gets taken away for my friends to play To The Moon.

I'm Sergiu Costava, one of a pair of Town Siblings. I share a tent with my brother.

Any guesses who?

I actually read this out loud to my wife, because I found it so funny and she told me to greet you and tell you, you hit the spot there and that I'm the same way in RL discussions. :/ *shrug*

THAT'S RIGHT IT'S GOGTRIAL

Obviously we're part of this twist thing. Our theory is that we rolled masons, but got "upgraded" to lovers to balance out some other unknown. But who knows?

I am Jorji Costava, and can confirm.

OK, so let me see if I got this right.

gogtrial34987 and you are masons, flubbucket's Innocent Child, that makes it MMM. But additionally, if one of you dies, the other one dies as well. Is that what you're saying?