No. Absolutely not. If he actually is pro-town, then he ends up just telegraphing to scum what he is planning. If he is anti-town (mafia/serial killer), then we just make his/their job easier. I see very little, if any, added benefit for town to discuss who a claimed Vigilante kills, except perhaps as an end-game scenario (which this is decidedly not).

Fair enough. We don't have anything solid to go on anyway.

You're at least the second person attempting to paint my vigilante as somehow different from Lifthrasil's. You also use the same contrived label of "Limited Unlimited" - I can't help but see this as a concerted effort.

I thought I was pretty clear. Depending on how reveals work, I answered that yes I thought you'd know my alignment and role and also could have a good idea of why I thought there might be a lot of scum or a lot of "hidden" antitown roles.

Also, the fun I was going to have was to be to conduct a "mini lynch" - my hope was either that I'd submit a pair of names and allow the first three people to pick one via majority. Or maybe have one person submit two names and have three others vote one by majority. I thought this way (assuming people played along and didn't just balk at the whole thing) we could get some very interesting information from a subset of players.

You also do realize, of all the people flipping out about my role - NOT A SINGLE ONE has asked if it's compulsive. Technically, I don't even know ("Can"?) - I just PMed JMich.

Just for the sake of argument, lets look at something before we start murdering the crap out of our claimed vigs.

Assume both are town. What would that mean? You know, beyond "the other is likely the Day 2 lynch if the first one flips town".

If both are town, then killing both D1/D2 risks putting us right square in MyLo on Day 3.

I THOUGHT I cleared this up. This is why I was VERY careful to ask Lifthrasil who he was going to kill tonight. My assumption (and I still think it's a very solid one) is that if he were another Town Vigilante (which does sort of "fit" in the spirit of the game) he'd be constructed exactly as I was.

I immediately out-ed myself at that point, because I'm near certain he lied when he said he had a kill tonight.

So far the difference is this: you said you can't use your power on Night 1 while Lifthrasil said he can use his. You said you don't have a shot limit while Lifthrasil said he has a limit. So, in your case it is "Limited (time of using power) - Unlimited (number of times to use power)" and it is based on your own exact words. You and Lifthrasil may be vigilantes, but you are different. So, do not twist my mentioning "Limited - Unlimited" as if I was scum.

But you do see why I'm a bit leary yes? I thought I promptly called scum on a false claim and immediately a wagon formed on me.

Not only that, there's a group of players screaming about how dangerous a Town Vigilante I am, but that Lifthrasil, the Town Viglante who was at lynch -1 or -2, now isn't the threat he was before.

First point: That doesn't address the question I posed. I asked "what if both are town?" The assumption in the question renders a person's particular view on the scumminess of either of you irrelevant, in favor of examining the results of the assumption itself.

Second point: Why should we assume that all players with a vig power function on the exact same rules? One of my early thoughts when both of you claimed was "maybe they can only shoot on alternating nights", and Lift drew the version that can shoot on N1.

Third point: In answer to my question, town could lose during N2, assuming 2 lynches, 2 NKs, and 2 Vig misfires. Do I think JMich would create this kind of scenario? No, I do not. So, which one of you are lying?

Fourth point: I haven't dismissed the notion that you counter claimed vig against your scum buddy as an attempt to get the survivor of the Day 1 lynch town points. "We got the liar and a confirmed power role! Go us! Oh, he just keeps not getting NK'd to create WIFOM."

Fifth point: Thanks for answering your own questioning of Dessimu. It saved me a little bit of post checking.

People paint your two claimed vigs as different, because the two of you have claimed different rules for your vig!

Well, here's the thing... no, here's two things:

I believe Town PMs are set up a certain way. I suspect strongly (but I don't know, my sincere apologies to JMich, I spoke out of turn earlier) that Scum PMs are different in one particular way.

If you're Town, dear brother, I think you've essentially figured out what my plan was - after all, it's sort of sitting right there where any one of us should be able to see it - just do it on a larger scale. Everyone puts in. The real key, however, is to do it in such a way that Scum, if their PMs are in fact different in that one key way, don't know what the difference is, and when they put in, do it incorrectly.

Which, yes, is another lesson to all future mods forever: Thou shalt make every PM the same, or every PM different, forever and ever, amen

But I could be wrong about everything and all the PMs are the same in that one key way.

I suspect at least one is lying. One, or both, is Serial Killer or Mafia.

Neither one of the claims add up for me particularly well, for very different reasons. At this point, either lynch would probably give us decent information, in my opinion.

For now, I think I'll put my vote back:

Vote: Lifthrasil

How about "reformed on me"?

Both of your claims appear to have problems. The question people have to decide is "which claim appears to have the worst problems?" or maybe "do I want to go somewhere else?"

And I'd be very careful when talking about "Well that vig was at L-1 or -2, why are we ignoring him??" if I were in your position.

Side note, while I'm thinking about it:
As stated pre-game, I'll going to be pretty scarce this weekend. I'll try to find some time to keep up, but after several more hours, you can expect my posting to drop off for a few days.

I completely understand you being leary, whether you are Town on scum. So whatever next you decide to do (thinking you are town), I would suggest you try and do good, not complaining.

It actually seems that there is a group of players who think you are a bigger threat, and a group of players who think Lift is a threat.

Well, I think Aunt Cathy has acted dirtier and less trustworthy, but geez Mom, with the "I can kill you all at night if I want to, one after the other".

This family is fucking crazy.

That is rich, coming from you, dear.

Heh, rich.