Gad, I feel like I'm back in Alice in Wonderland again...

@Bookwyrm - If RWarehall is lynched, I would go for Dessimu or flubb.
If RWarehall is not lynched and wants to continue playing, I would go with him. I think he's town, but it would get the focus off of him D2.

Heh...more confusing than even before. Unfortunately, I don't think we'll be reaching a majority vote today.


The only real issue I'm seeing with JMich's plan is that we don't know the protective measures in place to stop a CL lynch today. So for example, Bookwyrm targets a CL, and, as someone else mentioned, the protective measure turns out to be that the CL and the cultist switch roles (neither dies), then the next day, after Bookwyrm reports a failed deprogram (i.e. everyone assumes a town was targeted), we lynch the failed deprogram, and it turns out to be cult.

Unfortunately, statistically, it'll be way more likely to target a town rather than a CL.
I'm fine with following JMich's plan, but I'm also fine with ignoring the obsessing over "proving" Bookwyrm is deprogrammer, and taking it as fact. There really is no reason for a town to false claim to be deprogrammer, and if Bookwyrm is cult, the real deprogrammer will get her by tonight, and then possibly claim tomorrow, after the uncertainty of Cult Leader target tonight has been cleared up.

Not sure if we have enough time now, but perhaps an informal vote should be taken on JMich's plan (if anyone else is taking it seriously)? Because it involves the intentional targeting of a town to "prove" something, so we'd have to be ready to sacrifice one of our own.

drealmer7 is a hard read for me, because as I said, he always behaves in this weird way. I don't really feel there's enough evidence to join his wagon.
RW, again, I don't understand. He initially was just youtubelinking, but everyone was goofing around at the start. Later he got into a pointless argument about NK/convert, which is pointless I suppose, but not necessarily scumworthy.

If it was necessary for me to join a wagon, I'd say Dessimu, who really popped out to me now as suspicious. I mean, Des went from advocating no lynch to in his post last page suggesting a plan involving named lynches and targets for the vig for the first night. A point against that is that Ixamyakxim, another I'm suspicious of is also on that wagon, but...all the people I'm suspicious of are on each other's wagons, so that can't be helped.

so yeah,
vote Dessimu

As for Bookwyrm's question, I'd target drealmer7 to deprogram. There's only so long one can hide behind expectations of past behaviour.

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Official vote count

Dessimu: 3 - babark, cristigale, Ixamyakxim
drealmer: 2 - Bookwyrm, Fantasiscy
RWarehall: 6 - agentcarr, JMich, dessimu, drealmer, docbear, RWarehall

It takes 7 to lynch
RWarehall is closest to lynch at L-1
Not voting: flubbucket
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Deadline is today.

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hey dedo!
I voted Dessimu, and I hadn't voted anyone before so as to need to unvote! I guess you were counting while I posted, and then posted? Be a bit confusing since my vote is just before your votecount!

Oh, and my vote for the suggested informal vote as to whether or not to follow JMich's plan: No.

Yes, I posted without refreshing. Thank you! The vote count has been rectified.

And yet I'm still also listed as "Not voting" :D.

But thanks, it gives me a bump and a chance to ask Dessimu:
What the hell is the logic behind this plan?

Yes, this is taken into account. The day won't end while the majority of players is asleep. You still have a couple of more hours left unless, of course, someone hammers RW.
How dare you??

...

Help is coming... Help is coming... Diego clearly said rescue ship is on it's way from Earth... So, we just have to wait. No need to kill anyone. Why would people kill people? If we kill people, our rescuers will find only dead people. Why would rescuers waste their time and rescue dead people? It makes no sense. We just have to wait. We sit and wait, and do nothing, and we don't even sleep! Yes. Unless... Unless telecom was rigged. Unless it was not Diego who talked. What if that thing talked? We did install voice modulators just three months ago, so SHODAN would choose and speak in different languages and accents. But modulator was only for better translations and because we missed Earth. Were we fooled and Diego never talked to us? But that means no rescue ship is coming. That means we are dead.

NO! no no no NOOO! It's them. They make me go crazy, they make me doubt myself. They are in my head. They want me to go mad! NO! I will do as I want, I will take matters in to control.

STEP BACK, PEOPLE! STEP BACK OR I WILL DO THE THING! I WILL! I AM NOT KIDDING! Now don't move! Now sit! I said don't move! See those banana trees? We will just sit around those banana trees and we shall wait. We shall wait to be rescued.

Because Diego promised. Diego promised...

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Tonight I will murder one of you. Cheers.

While some of you sleep, I will use this time to say something.

* Brews three cups of coffee *

I see now that I am not great at bread-crumbing. I mean, this is what I did:
- #223 - twitching eye
- #286 - itchy finger
- #290 - lynch on the spot
- #308 - whole proposal of what I might do

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Why should you believe me? Because there is not a single one of you who can come out and say "LAL - lynch him, *I* am the vigilante!"

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Why do I reveal myself?

Well... First and most important - tonight is the only night where I am 100% town aligned and even if I get recruited, I still get to do my shot. So starting D2, lynch me all the way you like but be reasonable.

Also, too many votes on me for no reason. Considering that we are dealing with only one CL now and no cultists, that makes 2 confused townies. And then a few wrongly suspecting me.

At the moment all players placed votes. All except flubbucket and we can't wait for him due to the deadline. Seeing those votes is verrry good, because with the amount of my bread-crumbing, which real CL could have noticed, for (s)he is looking for the deprogrammer and PRs, I strongly believe that CL might be on my wagon. Why?
- If RWarehall is generic townie, there is no point for CL to be on his wagon. CL should want to remove me more.
- RWarehall gathered some votes on himself pretty much by himself. Maybe the way he rejected all other ideas was bad?

Anyways. We should lynch RWarehall. He is the BEST lynch candidate now, because if he indeed IS town, then this single player has given us most of the opinion sharing, planning and so on. So, if he is town - we loose a player, but we do not loose his great ideas and we will know they were sincere. For now I am still suspicious of him. And leaving for Bookwyrm to deprogram RWarehall (if he is not lynched), kind of lets CL know highest likely target of Bookwyrm for tonight. And that is bad.

I know that above paragraph is like a salad, but try to keep up with my mind.

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I once again propose:
- we lynch RWarehall
- I kill another high suspect at night
- Bookwyrm-deprogrammer targets whoever else he wants.

Add to that:
- for all I care, I can (should) be not deprogrammed tonight and lynched instead starting D2 if you deem it worthy. But I am not CL and as a cultist (should I become one), I will be powerless, so lynch me sometime later if needed to ensure Town victory.

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Should I share again, who I want to kill tonight? Or do you have proposals?

I WILL NOT DOUBLE POST AGAIN OR I'LL GET MOD-KILLED

I WILL NOT DOUBLE POST AGAIN OR I'LL GET MOD-KILLED

I WILL NOT DOUBLE POST AGAIN OR I'LL GET MOD-KILLED


Okay, I'm back in town. Let me get caught up as quickly as possible.

Adding to the question if I should share my target.

If I reveal my target:
- That player dies, we get his/her flip - you all know for certain I did not lie. But Bookwyrm then must target a different player. And CL will know who I am targeting. Thus, if my target is or is not a CL, (s)he will target different player for certain.
- Deprogrammer can safely target another player. Doubling chances of hitting CL.

If I don't reveal my target:
- There is a possibility of deprogrammer and me choosing same target. Target dies. Deprogrammer's ability wasted for N1.
- There is a possibility of CL and me choosing same target. So I would prematurely kill new cultist.

So, any proposals on the better course of action?

I WILL NOT DOUBLE POST AGAIN OR I'LL GET MOD-KILLED

I WILL NOT DOUBLE POST AGAIN OR I'LL GET MOD-KILLED

I WILL NOT DOUBLE POST AGAIN OR I'LL GET MOD-KILLED


Agreed.

You're doing great.

What do you know about it.

Shut up and leave him alone. He's trying to be nice!

I went back to this post because I liked the point. Regardless of "Nightkill or Not" verbiage, it's still a loss for town.

TRUTH!!!

(Still reading)

Well, looks like RW is going down. Not who I'd have wanted, but he'd have needed to be investigated eventually. If it makes you feel better, RW, I'm listening to your plan.

I dislike JMich's plan to spend several town lives and night actions to ultimately kill me. Dislike in a really big way. Nor do I care for how he's continued to push it in spite of the flaws that he has (sort of) acknowledged. If I'm cult, then I'm going to get neutralized tonight. If I'm town, then I obviously shouldn't be killed. His plan wants to force town to use lynches to finish off cultists, in the name of verifying my claim.

I'm pretty sure this is just a protest vote at this point on D1, but I'm adding it to the voting record.

Unvote Drealmer.
Vote JMich.

JMich

Ugh!!!

Vote: RWarehall

Keep it a secret.

The cult need as little information as possible.