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StingingVelvet: I find this an odd argument to make on GOG.com. Most of the games here are presented as they were, not "spruced up." It sounds like the same argument people on certain forums make about GOG, that it sells "abandonware" without any real benefit or purpose.

Also Nintendo do sell these games on their Virtual Console, as far as I know.
The virtual console doesn't exactly exist on the Switch. You can play VS Super Mario Bros, but not actual Super Mario Bros, and it's just the NES version they'll be offering, warts and all.

Also, you have to think of when CD Projeckt/GOG was fledgling. How did they beat piracy? By making the games worth it. A DOS game preconfigured with the manual and all the other trimmings is indeed worth just 6$. (Or look at all the goods crammed into the Sam & Max games. ) Nintendo is trying to sell a NES rom with absolutely no goodies for 5 dollars. And Urban Champion ain't worth a dollar, much less 5.

If you're lucky, it might even emulate right. You don't get a map that can be overlaid, and as I understand, you only get one save state.
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Darvond: Here's the news.

Saved Click: Nintendo's soft Disneyian hand gently obliterates a longtime emulation website, obviously with no intent to actually properly sell their back catalog.

This isn't how companies should try and fight piracy, especially when their own attempts to sell old games are so pathetic. Nobody wants Urban Champion or Ice Climber without some sprucing up.
It's hardly an issue for us since ROMs are everywhere but seeing a safe ROM site go down is what makes this news very disheartening.
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Post edited August 08, 2018 by Fairfox
And I was *just* contemplating buying a switch. Then again - fuck those guys.

EDIT: Where is source it was nintendo. All i can find is speculation.
Post edited August 08, 2018 by AlienMind
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AlienMind: And I was *just* contemplating buying a switch. Then again - fuck those guys.

EDIT: Where is source it was nintendo. All i can find is speculation.
i had a switch for a while. bought it in feb and sold it in june.

most of the games were alright. the hardware itself is cheaply engineered & built garbage. zelda was amazing though; really, that game gave me some vibes i'd never felt from a game before. it's a shame, frankly, that it's trapped on their sharty, chintzy-with-gusto hardware.
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Darvond: Here's the news.

Saved Click: Nintendo's soft Disneyian hand gently obliterates a longtime emulation website, obviously with no intent to actually properly sell their back catalog.

This isn't how companies should try and fight piracy, especially when their own attempts to sell old games are so pathetic. Nobody wants Urban Champion or Ice Climber without some sprucing up.
There are other places:

* mod Note - please do not share links to ROM sites or direct links to ROMs.

Thanks mod, I had a family emergency come up and couldn't get back here to delete it in time.
Post edited August 09, 2018 by fr33kSh0w2012
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AlienMind: And I was *just* contemplating buying a switch. Then again - fuck those guys.

EDIT: Where is source it was nintendo. All i can find is speculation.
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fortune_p_dawg: i had a switch for a while. bought it in feb and sold it in june.

most of the games were alright. the hardware itself is cheaply engineered & built garbage. zelda was amazing though; really, that game gave me some vibes i'd never felt from a game before. it's a shame, frankly, that it's trapped on their sharty, chintzy-with-gusto hardware.
What do you mean? The Wii U was well built!

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RIP in Peace
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fortune_p_dawg: i had a switch for a while. bought it in feb and sold it in june.

most of the games were alright. the hardware itself is cheaply engineered & built garbage. zelda was amazing though; really, that game gave me some vibes i'd never felt from a game before. it's a shame, frankly, that it's trapped on their sharty, chintzy-with-gusto hardware.
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SirPrimalform: What do you mean? The Wii U was well built!

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haha.
Sad news indeed. GOG.com would hardly have existed today if it wasn't for the abandonware pioneers, which showed that there was a market.

Another upsetting takedown was that of Ghibli VR, a fanart recreation of scenes from Hayao Miyazaki movies.
https://www.roadtovr.com/preview-ghibli-vr-offers-virtual-tour-worlds-beloved-anime/
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What was this site? Were they hosting ROMs?
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AlienMind: And I was *just* contemplating buying a switch. Then again - fuck those guys.

EDIT: Where is source it was nintendo. All i can find is speculation.
I haven't researched this particular case, but it wouldn't surprise me. A while ago I used to "pick up some files" at another rom archive called romhustler.net . Earlier this year I remembered I wanted to have a go at an obscure SNES game released only in Japan. Guess which company's consoles didn't have available roms anymore?

TL;DR: fuck those guys, indeed
I really can't imagine Nintendo demanding they take down all roms: just roms of nintendo games, right?

That said, i think we need to be careful what message we're putting forth, even on GOG. GOG is about trusting customers to do the right thing and pay the pubs, while emuparadise is about running games wherever you want, even if doing so implies piracy.

I'm not going to sit here and say that i'm unfamiliar with the site or anything, especially since some of my early coding knowledge came from there, but we have to admit that when we buy games, we buy EULAs and restrictions, even from GOG. The difference with GOG is, GOG is pushing for a reasonable compromise for a EULA that sits between ultimate consumer rights vs ultimate publisher rights. People get on the case of devs for particularly old games, but in reality it's still their product that they rightfully made and produced. And everyone likes to go after pubs, especially if the devs are no longer paid (like nintendo), but we never actually bother looking at it from the pub's point of view: they usually ask 80% because they're the ones that task the most risk from funding the development (if they do), to funding the advertising, to funding the lawyers, etc. Usually pubs (especially large pubs like nintendo) are the only ones with any real skin in the game, since devs for these companies usually get guaranteed hourly compensation.

I think ultimately, we need to have the political discussion of whether or not it's fair to charge customers for content that costs nothing to reproduce (digital goods). That seems to be the fundamental drift between the pirates and the capitalists right now, and it's reflected in comments suggesting that nintendo should upgrade if it wants to sell games. And, truth is, we needed to have this conversation back in the 80s, but we still didn't have it. It's 30+ years late. And, no, i don't mean on GOG: no reason to make devs any more nervous about DRM-free. This should happen across the globe pretty much everywhere, from reddit to 4chan, to gamspot, to discord, to tumblr, to facebook, to deviantart, to everywhere, because we haven't made a decision, especially in the west, how we stand on this as a culture. The industry kind of made it's own standard and chose to enforce it, without having the conversation (this is manifested in DRM), but for those that believe differently, there are alternative ways of getting digital goods funded that don't require the current models while simultaneously not preventing people from simply copying digital things, but we need to have that conversation and debate.
Post edited August 08, 2018 by kohlrak
For example, if I have an Atari2600 and bought a cardridge, and the Atari2600 broke, it should be legal to download a copy from wherever and run that on an emulator.

Furthermore, in the case of culturally relevant software like games, where clearly the behavior of a whole species was influenced and shaped by specific titles, especially after more than a few decades passed, they should not be owned by single companies but instead should be transferred to the public domain and thus, equally, it should be legal to download a copy from wherever and run that on an emulator because real devices are museum pieces. This case is accepted in the literary medium by multiple countries already - even if the retention time of like 70 years is still too long in my opinion.

emuparadise in this instances were just a place where those roms were lying around and as such.. the existence of such a storage should also not be illegal and gone after by police. The police should go after people where those two things above not apply. But they want the easy way out so they just cease and desist emuparadise. And just so everybody knows what that means: If they don't keep the storage - illegally - and just open it again in a few decades - millions of human art pieces would just be lost. You could say the fire which burns down libraries today is corporate greed. Let's not let hobbyists like the people running emuparadise do what they love in a grey area - politicians should just make solid laws for these kinda cases.

Note that I said "should" a lot of the time here. That's my viewpoint. Of course, it's still not legal because.. well it's about money and thus corporations and as politicians who make laws today are run by corporations.. well... shit.

Also, people, please don't post links to other rom sites because we all know they are illegal and threads like these will just attract the wrong kind of attention to them. KoreaBeat: Yes, they, indeed, hosted roms.
Post edited August 09, 2018 by AlienMind