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General discussionDo you ever intend to upgrade to Windows 10?(161 posts)(161 posts)
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Posted February 26, 2016
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ncameron: MS is collecting information from Win10 machines. I don't think that can possibly be disputed. Are you still with me? Good. The information they attempt to collect will be used for amongst other things profiling people in order to try to advertise to them. I don't think that could possibly be disputed. Right? Still with me? Ok. I object to this. Even if it can be turned off, I object to the attempt in principle, and won't touch an OS which tries this with a 10 foot pole.
What about a store that attempts to profile you and show you stuff that you may be interested in? Would you object to that as well and leave the store, or would you accept it and continue shopping there?
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Treasure: Thanks in advance for any help.
Personal opinion for the "try before you upgrade" is to take a backup of your machine, and install Win10 on it. Win10 gives you a month to revert back to your previous installation, so you could do the test run on your machine, then revert back to it.

Not sure about the other questions you have though, haven't really bothered to look for answers to them.
Post edited February 26, 2016 by JMich
Posted February 26, 2016
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Abovet: I wish Microsoft were to release a patch/update that would fix my Star Wars game, or at least an update that would make old games more compatible on Windows 10.
But that'll introduce "security" problems AKA less sales of newer games :P
Posted February 26, 2016
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ncameron: MS is collecting information from Win10 machines. I don't think that can possibly be disputed. Are you still with me? Good. The information they attempt to collect will be used for amongst other things profiling people in order to try to advertise to them. I don't think that could possibly be disputed. Right? Still with me? Ok. I object to this. Even if it can be turned off, I object to the attempt in principle, and won't touch an OS which tries this with a 10 foot pole.
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JMich: What about a store that attempts to profile you and show you stuff that you may be interested in? Would you object to that as well and leave the store, or would you accept it and continue shopping there?
Two things:

1. I can choose which stores I shop at.
2. None of them are running my operating system.
Posted February 26, 2016
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ncameron: Two things:

1. I can choose which stores I shop at.
2. None of them are running my operating system.
So you object to the OS profiling you, but not the store you shop at? Or can you not choose what OS you are using?
Posted February 26, 2016
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JMich: Personal opinion for the "try before you upgrade" is to take a backup of your machine, and install Win10 on it. Win10 gives you a month to revert back to your previous installation, so you could do the test run on your machine, then revert back to it.

Not sure about the other questions you have though, haven't really bothered to look for answers to them.
Here's the thing -my current machine is a "refurbished" one -that is one I bought when every single normal store was carrying Win8 and I definitely wanted something with Win7 so I went to this little tech shop and bought the machine which I'm currently using and the employee put the OS and Office and other stuff on it -which means that there's a 98% chance the copy of Windows on it is pirated *gasp you'd say-I know....it's my fault for not wanting Win8.oh well...* So I don't have a way to do this thing nor revert to Win7 again on this particular machine - I could try and find another machine, but downloading the iso and trying it on virtual machine (like VMWare Player) seems easier to me. Thanks for attempting to help anyways....

P.S. Fyi, the fact that the copy of Win7 I'm having is possibly pirated doesn't prevent it from working normally though...
Post edited February 26, 2016 by Treasure
Posted February 26, 2016
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ncameron: Two things:

1. I can choose which stores I shop at.
2. None of them are running my operating system.
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JMich: So you object to the OS profiling you, but not the store you shop at? Or can you not choose what OS you are using?
I can limit my exposure to stores. It's very difficult to limit your exposure to the operating system you're using.

I *am* choosing what operating system I'm using. Isn't that what this entire conversation has been about?
Posted February 26, 2016
it's all about Big Brother, it's working, I see so many smartphone / tablet zombies. if only they knew. might as well microchip them :P

I bought a smart[sic] phone two years ago a cheap thing, but I threw it in the sea [due to my paranoia]

I tried win10 with Vmware, it was like a desktop smartphone. no thanks. and I don't care about dx12.

all the best [time for another bottle of cider ^^ }
Posted February 26, 2016
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Cavenagh: I tried win10 with Vmware, it was like a desktop smartphone. no thanks. and I don't care about dx12.
Since you tried Win10 on a virtual machine, could you answer my questions on the topic (as I think of doing the same):

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Treasure: -After installation, how much disk space does Windows 10 use for the OS itself only? I recall that Win7 seemed to take up 10-15 Gbs for the OS only, and Linux Mint 7-10 Gbs. I'm asking because I want to know how much space I should allot to the Win10 virtual machine in order for both the freshly installed Win10 to fit in there and for me to have an extra space of 10-15 gbs to install other software and add other files/documents if needed.
-Does Win10 play nicely in a virtual machine? That is, does it restrain itself to the limits of that machine, or is there any possibility the iso will threaten to "break out" of the virtual machine (so to speak) and overwrite the data of the host system? My fear might be irrational here, especially as nothing of the sort has happened with the linux distros I've tested, but as I already said, I'm kind of a risk-averse person...
Post edited February 26, 2016 by Treasure
Posted February 26, 2016
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ncameron: I can limit my exposure to stores. It's very difficult to limit your exposure to the operating system you're using.

I *am* choosing what operating system I'm using. Isn't that what this entire conversation has been about?
I'm always curious when people claim they do (or don't do) something due to their principles, and love checking out if that is indeed the case, or if they use it as an excuse. Thus why I ask you about whether you'd use a store that profiles you or not, though you keep dodging the question.

No worries though, my curiosity is satisfied.
Posted February 26, 2016
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JMich: So you object to the OS profiling you, but not the store you shop at? Or can you not choose what OS you are using?
oh you all, Big brother fans seem to fail to get the difference between a service that using you data (online shops, google search, etc) and ENTIRE OS doing this. you can just close webpage and service cant do this anymore. OS cant be stopped this way. (i'm talking about pc, phones are a little different)
+ services usually collect your habits related to them, Spydow10 seems to be interested in everything
Posted February 26, 2016
With Bill Gates backing the FBI in the current Apple vs FBI encryption dispute - I don't think I'll be upgrading to Win 10 anytime soon. He made it quite clear he is a government lapdog. Even though those terrorist attacks happened right in my backyard - I support Apple all the way.

[EDIT] Not literally in my backyard. It's just a figure of speech.
Post edited February 26, 2016 by tremere110
Posted February 26, 2016
I doubt I'll ever downgrade to Windows (10).
Posted February 26, 2016
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Treasure: So I don't have a way to do this thing nor revert to Win7 again on this particular machine
The revert option I'm talking about is from the OS itself. See here. You don't need to reinstall your previous OS, you press a button, wait a bit, then your previous OS should be back.
Still, best to keep a backup of your files, just in case, whether you're going to do an upgrade or not :)

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Treasure: P.S. Fyi, the fact that the copy of Win7 I'm having is possibly pirated doesn't prevent it from working normally though...
Depending on the activation method used, it could be indistinguishable from a normal one.
Posted February 26, 2016
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JMich: Thus why I ask you about whether you'd use a store that profiles you or not, though you keep dodging the question.
ha, dont sure about him but I can easily anwser that. - if that store collects my buying habits during my shopping session - no problem, if it somehow monitors all my activities all the time - even in order to offer what it thinks is for me - than I have a problem with it, you seem to fait to distinguish this 2 cases, like I mentioned earlier
Posted February 26, 2016
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vemin: oh you all, Big brother fans seem to fail to get the difference between a service that using you data (online shops, google search, etc) and ENTIRE OS doing this. you can just close webpage and service cant do this anymore. OS cant be stopped this way.
So you're saying that you are ok with being profiled, if it's just on specific conditions? And if you can stop said profiling, who cares if they keep a copy of it?

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vemin: (i'm talking about pc, phones are a little different)
But Windows 10 is a phone OS as well as a PC OS, so how is that different?

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vemin: + services usually collect your habits related to them, Spydow10 seems to be interested in everything
Ah, one could say that anything you do is relevant to how you use the OS, so Windows 10 is only interested in your habits related to your usage of it.
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vemin: ha, dont sure about him but I can easily anwser that. - if that store collects my buying habits during my shopping session - no problem, if it somehow monitors all my activities all the time - even in order to offer what it thinks is for me - than I have a problem with it, you seem to fait to distinguish this 2 cases, like I mentioned earlier
I'm sorry, you seem to think Windows 10 is monitoring my activity while I'm not using it. I somehow doubt it knew what I was doing 2 hours ago in my back yard, same way as GOG doesn't know what I'm doing when I'm not using it.

You do realize that the difference can be made as large or as small as one wishes to, right? Especially if you use broad terms like "all the time" or "only when using it".
Post edited February 26, 2016 by JMich
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