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Yeah, the absence of Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain here is the most annoying thing. Even more annoying that it doesn't seem to be anyone's responsibility or fault. ;P
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Dartpaw86: I want to call it OCD but I'm certain that's wrong. But I can't stand having incomplete game collections, despite of course games like the later Serious Sam, Elder Scrolls and Fallout titles are on Steam.

But I mean games that are unavailable anyway.

I have Monkey Island 1, 2 immediately jumps to 5.

Myst 1, 2 immediately jumps to 5.

The first 5 Wizardry's aren't present.

I'm sorry but I'm a completionist, and yes I know with Myst and Wizardry they are copyright issues. (Which no-one seems to want to bother to make any sort of agreement anything soon) and the Monkey Island titles are likely going to get remastered eventually. But still... it really bothers me.
Not really because if a game out of a series is missing here I know that it is not because:

- GOG rejected it
- GOG neglected to track down the IP owner(s) of the game
- GOG doesn't care

Every game missing from a game series here is missing due to one or more of the following reasons:
- Lack of success trying to figure out who the legal owners of the game rights and any other IP in the game are.
- Lack of success tracking down all of the rights owners to initiate communication/negotiation.
- Lack of success convincing the owners of the IP to bring the game back to life on GOG.com
- Owners of the rights can no longer find the source code and/or binaries and/or other assets that are in proper enough shape to bring the game back to life.
- Owner of motivation, wherewithal, or ability to execute a plan successfully (even the best plans fail sometimes).
- Owner lack of interest in investing anything in the effort.
- Owner lack of interest to even search for the legal paperwork to determine if they even own it or find any concrete evidence of who does.
- Owner not willing or able to sell or license the rights to the games to GOG.com to publish themselves.
- GOG being unable to negotiate terms with the owner of the game which are mutually agreeable and within the requirements of GOG
- Lack of or perceived lack of consumer interest in the game title.
- GOG or the owner of the game being unable to make the game work on all of the modern platforms GOG supports and after considering the options to invest money in development, reverse engineering etc. they may end up concluding that the money spent to revive a game might be too high of a risk for the perceived return on investment.

Feel free to add to the list. :)

Since the reasons why the games aren't here almost always are going to be something not up to GOG to decide, and usually due to legal issues, or lack of interest by the owners of the game(s) or similar, it's not uncommon for such games to be missing and not worth any mental effort to be upset about it without even knowing exactly what the particular reasons are. Same is true too though even if the reasons are known fully or partly.

I own the missing Myst games on DVD so that's not a big deal to me personally. There are games missing from here like the first Legacy of Kain game that would be nice to have here. With 500 games in my GOG library, around 400 on Steam and hundreds more on CD/DVD or elsewhere, I can't say I spend too much time being upset by missing game titles that might even somehow show up some day. :)
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snowkatt: ..well windows 98 was interesting
and not in a good way

it kept crashing and bsodding through set up
i decided not to bother with it and just upgrade to windows ME ( i have to i only have a windows ME upgrade disk )

lets see what morrowind does with windows ME
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Matewis: It's weird trying to remember all my previous operating systems. Everything before vista is kind of a blur. Except 98, I remember it and all the bluescreens I got :P

As for morrowind, the first time I installed it was probably on windows xp. I'd be massively surprised if it works on ME. I seems to recall it could be nuisance when it came to games.
well windows 98 and ME were a disaster on virtual box
the third party drivers did nothing

but i am not beaten yet
stay tuned !

there are xp things on the horizon
Post edited July 08, 2016 by snowkatt
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Dartpaw86: I want to call it OCD but I'm certain that's wrong. But I can't stand having incomplete game collections, despite of course games like the later Serious Sam, Elder Scrolls and Fallout titles are on Steam.

But I mean games that are unavailable anyway.

I have Monkey Island 1, 2 immediately jumps to 5.

Myst 1, 2 immediately jumps to 5.

The first 5 Wizardry's aren't present.

I'm sorry but I'm a completionist, and yes I know with Myst and Wizardry they are copyright issues. (Which no-one seems to want to bother to make any sort of agreement anything soon) and the Monkey Island titles are likely going to get remastered eventually. But still... it really bothers me.
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skeletonbow: Not really because if a game out of a series is missing here I know that it is not because:

- GOG rejected it
- GOG neglected to track down the IP owner(s) of the game
- GOG doesn't care

Every game missing from a game series here is missing due to one or more of the following reasons:
- Lack of success trying to figure out who the legal owners of the game rights and any other IP in the game are.
- Lack of success tracking down all of the rights owners to initiate communication/negotiation.
- Lack of success convincing the owners of the IP to bring the game back to life on GOG.com
- Owners of the rights can no longer find the source code and/or binaries and/or other assets that are in proper enough shape to bring the game back to life.
- Owner of motivation, wherewithal, or ability to execute a plan successfully (even the best plans fail sometimes).
- Owner lack of interest in investing anything in the effort.
- Owner lack of interest to even search for the legal paperwork to determine if they even own it or find any concrete evidence of who does.
- Owner not willing or able to sell or license the rights to the games to GOG.com to publish themselves.
- GOG being unable to negotiate terms with the owner of the game which are mutually agreeable and within the requirements of GOG
- Lack of or perceived lack of consumer interest in the game title.
- GOG or the owner of the game being unable to make the game work on all of the modern platforms GOG supports and after considering the options to invest money in development, reverse engineering etc. they may end up concluding that the money spent to revive a game might be too high of a risk for the perceived return on investment.

Feel free to add to the list. :)

Since the reasons why the games aren't here almost always are going to be something not up to GOG to decide, and usually due to legal issues, or lack of interest by the owners of the game(s) or similar, it's not uncommon for such games to be missing and not worth any mental effort to be upset about it without even knowing exactly what the particular reasons are. Same is true too though even if the reasons are known fully or partly.

I own the missing Myst games on DVD so that's not a big deal to me personally. There are games missing from here like the first Legacy of Kain game that would be nice to have here. With 500 games in my GOG library, around 400 on Steam and hundreds more on CD/DVD or elsewhere, I can't say I spend too much time being upset by missing game titles that might even somehow show up some day. :)
My issue isn't about who is doing what, or who gives a crap about it or doesn't, It makes no difference to me if GOG is trying their best or is doing nothing, all that matters is I have missing games and it's annoying.
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snowkatt: well windows 98 and ME were a disaster on virtual box
the third party drivers did nothing

but i am not beaten yet
stay tuned !

there are xp things on the horizon
Easily Bored? I think not !
Your excitement is infectious: I now have an unexpected urge to format my drive and re-install windows :P
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snowkatt: well windows 98 and ME were a disaster on virtual box
the third party drivers did nothing

but i am not beaten yet
stay tuned !

there are xp things on the horizon
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Matewis: Easily Bored? I think not !
Your excitement is infectious: I now have an unexpected urge to format my drive and re-install windows :P
well here are the half time results

i installed win 98 and ME on 3 virtual machines
ms virtual pc 2007
virtual box
and vmware workstation 12 player

all three of these are freeware

windows Me works fine on vpc 2007
wont run morrowind though

windows 98 is absolute disaster on virtual box
and windows me is not any better
didnt even attempt morrowind

vm ware player 12 is the best of the lot
great support
smooth installation
windows 98 and Me both work fine
BUT
you were waiting for that werent you ?

the mouse is a bit ...overly sensitive after installing the drivers
and morrowind refuses to run
it seems to think a debugger is running

CURSES !!!
foiled 3 times over

so windows 9x is a bust and real hardware is still best for win 9x it seems
but we are not beaten yet !

cause XP sp 1 is next !
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Matewis: Easily Bored? I think not !
Your excitement is infectious: I now have an unexpected urge to format my drive and re-install windows :P
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snowkatt: well here are the half time results

i installed win 98 and ME on 3 virtual machines
ms virtual pc 2007
virtual box
and vmware workstation 12 player

all three of these are freeware

windows Me works fine on vpc 2007
wont run morrowind though

windows 98 is absolute disaster on virtual box
and windows me is not any better
didnt even attempt morrowind

vm ware player 12 is the best of the lot
great support
smooth installation
windows 98 and Me both work fine
BUT
you were waiting for that werent you ?

the mouse is a bit ...overly sensitive after installing the drivers
and morrowind refuses to run
it seems to think a debugger is running

CURSES !!!
foiled 3 times over

so windows 9x is a bust and real hardware is still best for win 9x it seems
but we are not beaten yet !

cause XP sp 1 is next !
did you install old win 98?.. or SE second edition. and why xp sp 1 when there is 2 and 3?
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snowkatt: so windows 9x is a bust and real hardware is still best for win 9x it seems
Well, technically there's still win95, but for the love of god lets give that one a skip!

XP sp1 will save us! or more accurately you, who are doing all the work while I'm egging you on from the side :D
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snowkatt: so windows 9x is a bust and real hardware is still best for win 9x it seems
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Matewis: Well, technically there's still win95, but for the love of god lets give that one a skip!

XP sp1 will save us! or more accurately you, who are doing all the work while I'm egging you on from the side :D
well i can always try win 95 i have 2 of the buggers

i only have one win 98 ( gold ) and a upgrade disc to ME

anyway i tried windows xp home sp1 on vmware player 12
and we have our first success !

the installation was fast and painless and morrowinds installation as well
after i recovered from the shock of seeing that rat thing greet me on the ship the game worked fine so far
a bit sluggish but my pc is running more then just vmware player

the graphics look...fine in so far morrowind ever looks anything beyond bland and boring but there are off course niggles
there seems to be some warping around the wrists and ankles
and the game is a tad sluggish loading seyda neen took so long it thought the game crashed

also going in to higher resolutions then 1024x768 crashed xp

but so far this is more result then anything so far today
i actually got the game installed and running

lets see what xp and morrowind do with virtual box and vpc
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snowkatt: ...
lol you really don't like morrowind aesthetic :) I might have been slightly biased back then because my first run with the game coincided with a very long overdue pc upgrade, and I couldn't help but to be blown away by my first ingame sighting of pixel shaded water around Seyda Neen. Well, that and the the smooth framerate on my sick new hardware. An ati radeon 9600 256mb if memory serves.

But regardless, there's progress in this ere waters!
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snowkatt: ...
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Matewis: lol you really don't like morrowind aesthetic :) I might have been slightly biased back then because my first run with the game coincided with a very long overdue pc upgrade, and I couldn't help but to be blown away by my first ingame sighting of pixel shaded water around Seyda Neen. Well, that and the the smooth framerate on my sick new hardware. An ati radeon 9600 256mb if memory serves.

But regardless, there's progress in this ere waters!
there is very little i do like about morrowind
in fact im struggeling to think of anything but a snarky: not playing it

i played morrowind in 2004 or so on the xbox but even back then it did nothing for me
it was just drab and brown and bland and boring

oblivion was the first tes game that enthralled me
and the first tes game that got me interested

anyway xp is currently installing on vpc 2007
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snowkatt: ...
I wish someone had cautioned me to look up how Oblivion's (well, and morrowind's) leveling system worked beforehand. Or perhaps total ignorance would've been better, provided someone advised me to play with one of the default classes. I made the mistake of creating a custom class that wound up leveling far too quickly (+0/+1 max possible increase to a stat each level) and became hopelessly too weak to beat the game. That really ruined my first experience with the game. I've had some more successful attempts since then, with a full understanding of the leveling system, but that also didn't work out quite as well because I decided to play optimally (+4/+5 stat increase each time I level) which made me too powerful :P

I want to give oblivion another whirl sometime, but with a default class and without trying to play optimally. I might check out some mods as well that affect the level scaling of the enemies.
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snowkatt: ...
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Matewis: I wish someone had cautioned me to look up how Oblivion's (well, and morrowind's) leveling system worked beforehand. Or perhaps total ignorance would've been better, provided someone advised me to play with one of the default classes. I made the mistake of creating a custom class that wound up leveling far too quickly (+0/+1 max possible increase to a stat each level) and became hopelessly too weak to beat the game. That really ruined my first experience with the game. I've had some more successful attempts since then, with a full understanding of the leveling system, but that also didn't work out quite as well because I decided to play optimally (+4/+5 stat increase each time I level) which made me too powerful :P

I want to give oblivion another whirl sometime, but with a default class and without trying to play optimally. I might check out some mods as well that affect the level scaling of the enemies.
well more progress
morrowind installed on xp sp 1 but i get the debugger error again
this error means my drivers are outdated ( no shit right ? )
considering this is a virtual machine i cant really update the drivers so i might just try sp 2 instead

ill be back
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snowkatt: well more progress
morrowind installed on xp sp 1 but i get the debugger error again
this error means my drivers are outdated ( no shit right ? )
considering this is a virtual machine i cant really update the drivers so i might just try sp 2 instead

ill be back
I'm starting to think it might be easier to just build a time machine and go and steal someone's computer from 2003 :P
I'll build the spinning dome and wire the flashing lights, you organize some red velvet seats!
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snowkatt: well more progress
morrowind installed on xp sp 1 but i get the debugger error again
this error means my drivers are outdated ( no shit right ? )
considering this is a virtual machine i cant really update the drivers so i might just try sp 2 instead

ill be back
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Matewis: I'm starting to think it might be easier to just build a time machine and go and steal someone's computer from 2003 :P
I'll build the spinning dome and wire the flashing lights, you organize some red velvet seats!
quite frankly : yeah its easier to use a 2006-2007 era laptop load it up with xp and then install all your old games
but hell im already busy ;p