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Nikagor: The Problem here is that people rate it with 5 stars and I was quiet frankly shocked to see that, this piece of garbage does not deserve five stars. I always think most of those people just seem to have played this one game..ever..only.. and than of course believe its good, because..lets be honest its crappy.

The same goes with Risen and the Gothic series..for gods sake gothic 2 didn't even have a real inventory and people still hyped it like it was great, for me all the gothic series along with risen and two worlds just suck, later one even daring to claim its an oblivion killer just makes me furious.
If you look through the ratings that GOG games have, you'll see that very few dip below 4.5 stars. A 4 star or lower game should be avoided at all costs. The rating and reviewing system on GOG is near to useless for deciding if you'll like a game. It's filled with fanbois and hatebois, with nearly nothing in between, so there a very few impartial assessments of the games.

With regard to your original post, I couldn't actually see anyone with a Grim Fandango avatar defending the game, just a post from me suggesting some help for someone with performance issues. My view on the game is very much in line with Waltorious, it's a nice way to pass a bit of time. They really needed to work on the magic balancing, playing as a mage is tedious.

I actually really liked Risen, simply because it was really hard. Though the ending was a rubbish. Never got into the Gothic games. However if you're comparing things to oblivion, you'll find a fair bit of hate for that in these forums too (for some reason Morrowind can do no wrong, and could never be improved upon).

So try not to get so furious, they're just reviews, probably posted by the developers. I noticed that the moment a GOG is published 3 or 4 5 star reviews are posted with unnerving speed, as though they were ready prepared. In fact I don't know of a game that has its first review as anything but 5 stars.
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wpegg: I actually really liked Risen, simply because it was really hard. Though the ending was a rubbish. Never got into the Gothic games. However if you're comparing things to oblivion, you'll find a fair bit of hate for that in these forums too (for some reason Morrowind can do no wrong, and could never be improved upon).
While I like morrowind I think Oblivion is a huge improvement in almost everything, might it be the interface or the graphic/sound and so on, but the fact that two worlds called itself oblivion killer is the only reason I pulled the Oblivion part, because it holds no candle to this game at all.

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Nikagor: So try not to get so furious, they're just reviews, probably posted by the developers. I noticed that the moment a GOG is published 3 or 4 5 star reviews are posted with unnerving speed, as though they were ready prepared. In fact I don't know of a game that has its first review as anything but 5 stars.
The problem here is that, like metacritic, we should be able to weed out some of the obvious reviews, I read one about two worlds that claimed the game was good because you can ride a horse gave it 5 stars, those ghost accounts and developer accounts, who obviously will know that GOG will release their game, just annoy me.
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Nikagor: While I like morrowind I think Oblivion is a huge improvement in almost everything, might it be the interface or the graphic/sound and so on, but the fact that two worlds called itself oblivion killer is the only reason I pulled the Oblivion part, because it holds no candle to this game at all.
Oblivion is a much better game than Two Worlds, but I can see why Two Worlds was marketed as a competitor... the main similarity being a large, open world where you can wander around and do whatever you want. The problem is that in Two Worlds, there really isn't much to do except kill things and loot them, whereas in Oblivion there are many more ways to build your character, different guilds to join, quests to find, things to steal, etc. Oblivion really rewards trying many different characters. The only thing that Two Worlds did better than Oblivion is the loot. Vanilla Oblivion did not have much variety in items, but of course mods have helped immensely with that.
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Castrum: I still can't seem to understand why people can like this game when I have told them all how much I think it suck! Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but when I proclaim mine it is not so much an opinion anymore, it is more like a fact. And you are all fanboys! HA! You are all fanboys so your arguments must be invalid!
And you have the gall to appeal to logic? Really?

You still base your assumptions about the gog-version, 'cus you are in fact spewing your unreasonable subjectivity in a forum dedicated to the game as it is presented by gog, on your undoubtedly bad experience with the xbox-version. If you can't spot the fault of reasoning there, this conversation is truly futile.

I can however sympathize with a couple of the points you make, I think...

"The dumdum developers of the dumdum game 2vvorls made a baaad port that I chose to try out. Cost me 'bout 15 bucks. But get this, it was so bad that I will never play ANY game they EVER release. Not only that, I must protect other people from playing this game. This is imperative!"

You might be thinking I am putting up a straw man here, but if you look closely at the rhetoric you have utilized in your previous posts you will see some striking resemblances to your own position. I mean, you chose the word "lazy" to describe the developers in your last post. That alone shows a stunning lack of understanding about the games-industry and possibly your own position in the argument.

Remember the game Sonic Chronicles? Must suck not playing those bioware-titles released after that odd little curiosity. You know, seeing as bioware kinda dropped the whole ds thing after that one mediocre game. Lack of continuous support and development, and the fact that bioware discontinued their ds-products must mean they have proven themselves not worthy of your money for any quality of product, for this game on PC nor for any future product they release. Unless of course, you have made a nice little subjective exception somwhere ;)
To be clear, I am not comparing bioware and reality pump as they are literally leagues apart in their craft, but I am using this as an example to highlight the flaw in your reasoning. It is not given that every game reality pump make in the future, or have made in the past, are bad just because Two Worlds was (in your not so humble opinion) bad.

Let's talk about the fanboy-issue for a bit. Why is it so that you are suddenly arguing a bunch of TW-fanbois? Is it because some of the people you have gotten responses from are actually making valid points and pointing out flaws in your position? Could it be that the only thing left to defend yourself with is to belittle the people "attacking" your opinions. "They are fanboys, so they don't realize how bad the game is!"
See the thing is, the people here don't care whether or not you like the game. Your personal preferences in games are just that, personal preferences. What probably irks people, me included, is how unreasonable you are in your assessment of the game. The only thing we can get from it is that "Castrum does not like Two Worlds". Hardly interesting news, nor an interesting position considering your basis for it. (yknow, like having played a port....)
The problem then is the fact that you state your opinions as if they have some validity to them, despite of the rather shaky ground you have built your arguments from.

Ah well, seems like the only thing I can sympathize with you on then, is that Too Human was not as bad as people made it out to be. Funny is it not? Apparently people can find something they like with a game where others only see a steaming pile of flawed software. And get this, neither of those two factors have any effect on the quality of the game from a purely objective standpoint.

Some further clarification: I don't aim to change your stance on Two Worlds. It is inconsequential to me, and most likely the other posters here, what your feelings about the game are. But when someone is just being petty, self-centered and bitter over having played a sub-par port and feels the urge to blow of some steam in a totally unrelated setting, the real "logical-minded gamers" might find it necessary to point out the flaws in that approach.
I see you have chosen to go the route of the arrogant fanboy, LactoseLobster. You could have avoided personal attacks and character degradation and addressed this topic like an adult, but oh well. As I stated beforehand, I have conceded to the pointlessness of this debate already, so anything further really is just flamebaiting.

I will say though that I did fairly enjoy Sonic Chronicles on the DS, and the nonsensical idea that somehow a DS game could be patched (well, I guess it is possible, though I've never seen it utilized) is ill-fitting for a rebuttal to my argument.

As for the Fanboy segment of your post, I will let your response as a whole serve as my rebuttal.
Hey Castrum

The xbox360 ?!? version (Chunky Chug Meister) looks worse then xbox 1 graphics

Here

P.C. Version Heaps better!

Here
Post edited September 17, 2011 by fr33kSh0w2012
I don't like reviews like this. You actually reviewed a different version of the game, than the game being sold. It's like all the great reviews for other games, people give a great review for a game that is literally broken(Betrayal in Antara for one example). 1 star reviews for a different version of the game, and 5 star reviews for a game played 15 years ago are not right.

Regardless, everyone is entitled to their opinion of something, good or bad.

I bought Two Worlds not expecting too much, and wasn't even planning on playing it. Yet once I started, I played all the way to the end. I never even beat Morrowind, or Oblivion, yet here I beat Two Worlds and I couldn't put it down. The alchemy in this game is just the best I have ever seen in a game. The combat not the best, but very enjoyable with dodges and different attacks, use magic and melee combined if you wanted to as well. The music was very good, and the voice acting I thought was awesome as well. The main character had lots of kind of olde school stuff to say. And some voice actors are from other older games, which gave it a fun nostalgia factor for me.

What a great game Two Worlds was!
Hi to all! Just have to say we got a winner. This is not Gothic series or Elder Scroll series or any other like those, but I got to say the game is good. I like it, searched the net for different opinions not a likable game most ppl didn't like it well they wrong, the game has its charms the openness of the areas, not loading much, detail in the character( the one we play more than others, the voices yeah is not done by a renowned person but they are acceptable and go with the feel of the game. I got to say it surprised me with all the negative stuff said about it. Don't know how it is on console or how it was bef, but the GOG version made it good for me. There are some aspects of the game I couldn't find or understand or get to work while playing there wasn't much info on the PC version either but I've enjoyed my time in it right now I'm lvl 23 an gone from one side of the map to the other there is variety here in quests and the stories told some funny some copycat from other games some stupid some memorable so you'll get your 10 bucks worth. So ppl don't say you don't like something if you haven't eaten it bef. Try new things there is always crap out there but from the crap you can find something nice and worth it. Enjoy the game I know I will keep doing so!!!
I have put about 45h in this game, so far. Definitely not a game for me.

I'm not going to talk about graphic aspect, since I couldn't care less about it. There is absolutely nothing that really catches my attention. No, the game is just full of emptiness. In my opinion, the game designers have been totally unable to fill this vast world up in a decent manner. Open world rpgs are not always good news.

Instead, we get a shitload of copy/paste micro dungeons, as tedious as each others (the same sinuous corridors, again again and again, where you encounter skeletons most of the time). And on top of that, the game is lacking puzzles. Nada. Nothing to keep your brain awake. How disappointing.

Oh sure, when you first start the game, things look appealing and you may be amazed and imbued by the beautiful environments, but these feelings quickly fade away when you realize that in reality, you just tirelessly explore empty areas, encounter the same freaking wolves/reapers every minute, the same bandit/orc/(you name it) camps at every corner of the trail. Don't let the overall appearance fools you, the game is an empty shell and has no extravagance.

Quests are just ok for the most part and sometimes interesting... in the first half of the map, that is. Past Qudimar (which is like the last bastion of the free world) things get worse. Once you get into the Mordor-like region, quests become fewer, and quality wise, they stink even more. At this point, you may trade your armor for a FeDex uniform, because you are going to run errands like never before.

The main plot seems interesting. Yes, I say "seems" because (unless you rush things) you have little time to focus on it, since you have so much to explore. Basically, you need to hurry and save your sister who has been captured by hooded men and whose life is supposedly in danger. Wow, sister! Not so fast, I have an entire open world to explore first. You just wait.
Post edited February 29, 2012 by Cambrey
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Fortysixter: If you Like Gothic and Risen, you'll like this.
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Have to agree with the OP, this game is pretty lousy. Yeah, it has a big game world. So do lots of sandbox RPGs - this is not unique to Two Worlds. For a good open world RPG experience, play Morrowind or Gothic 2.
This thread keeps getting bumped. Just completed it and was underwhelmed by the ending. Good things for me: Stacking weapons and armour leading to near invincibility, looting and trading, experimenting with magic and alchemy and I actually thought the graphics and ambient sounds were pretty good. Also, I thought the choices provided throughout the game were ok.

The plot was not it's strongest point although acceptable. The voice acting was laughable - and I mean that in a positive sense....it did actually make me laugh. I found that I didn't really care about allegiances. I also agree with Cambrey's post above that it could've done with a few puzzles.

Overall, I'm pleased with the purchase but it's not a game I'd replay.
I played the X360 version of TW once a long time ago and it was godawful, almost to the point of unplayability. If the PC version really is massively improved then I'm willing to try it out when it goes on sale, but the 360 version really was so terrible that I'm wary of buying anything from this developer, console or PC.
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Castrum: I learned quite some time ago that arguing about TW with fanboys is a futile effort, no matter how mediocre the game might truly be. I believe I have already stated within this thread that in some ways I was perhaps a bit harsh and rash in my full assessment; however, my stance on TW remains the same.

The game is an odd curiosity at best, and frankly, I would pirate it before I would ever pay money for it again. The PC version may have gotten fixed up over the years, but for them to release the Xbox 360 version in such a state and then proceed to abandon it after the fact indicates to me they are not worthy of my money for any quality of product, for this game on PC nor for any future product they release.

As for actually paying $10 for TW, I would ask any logical-minded gamer exactly why they wouldn't just buy Morrowind and/or Oblivion for $10 - 15 each? Or if you're through with them, why not the Might & Magic 6-pack here at GOG for $10 instead? Certainly, at the very least, one's money would not be going towards supporting a lazy game developer.
Pirate it? Such dishonesty is the reason HONEST gamers pay so much more in so many ways and not just money. You are indignant because you don't LIKE a game yet you consider T H E F T a viable alternative/solution?

Please do the PC community a favor and go back to your Xbox
I've personally found that Piracy actually encourages game sales, through word of mouth and because people who really like a game will usually go and support the developer in some way (buying the game, buying the sequel, spreading the hype around, and so forth). Pricing is also an issue that drives people toward piracy, as many do not have much money to spend on a game they may be mildly interested in. As well, GOG.com stands as a testament to the inability of piracy to kill good games and people's desire to pay for them; hell, even Abandonware and games everyone has pirated (or borrowed from a friend, which is arguably piracy) at some point or another, like Duke Nukem 3D, have sold well here.

I gave Reality Pump some cash for their game already. I don't see why I should pay them for it again.

As for "the PC community", I'm getting a $4000 custom-built PC around August, so if you think I'm one of those screaming foul-mouthed Call of Duty kids who hates everything on PC intrinsically, I'm sorry to disappoint you.