Witcher 2 is also limited, the Red Engine would work fine on consoles too, in fact Witcher could probably be ported over very easily, they'd just have to put the graphic settings on medium. Its not like its open world, it just has adventure areas, nothing the consoles cant handle.

Bwuh? At any given time, a PC can be a more powerful graphic platform than a console, and that has always been true.

Speaking of which one of my buds is a hardcore PS3'er. He loved Fallout 3. That was until he saw my PC modded version of Fallout 3 with mods like Fallout Wanderers Edition installed. LOL Needless to say he eventually saved some cash for a new PC primarily due to what he witnessed on my rig.

Those things you cite are true of the real medieval era, as it existed on Earth. I think you've overlooked the fact that Sapkowski's world is NOT Earth. His stories don't take place in our world. It's a world that has many things in common with our world, but it also has many differences.

Geralt is an atheist. Sorceresses wield considerable power, both magical and political. The main god is a 3-part Goddess figure. This is definitely not our world. Sapkowski's world is better than our own medieval era in some ways, worse in others. But different. Because it's NOT OUR WORLD.

While I love Witcher 2 now due to the newness. It's limited in terms of modding capabilities. Once I play both all the different avenues the same storyline is eventually going to get old. When the time comes and I have to delete a large game for hard drive space or whatever, I wager Witcher 2 will be removed over games like Oblivion or Fallout 3 just due to the additional content that is available via mods.

You are correct of course but with the exception of Crysis (lol) nobody is going to make a PC game that can only run on some $3000 quad SLI overclocked i7 rig. I mean my PC runs Oblivion effortlessly now but it struggled when it first came out. But I think my PC will effortlessly run Skyrim as it's built for the same hardware as Oblivion. Anyway not trying to be argumentative, just saying unless they make a special effort for PC version I'm doubtful Skyrim will be that impressive graphically.

Fallout/Oblivion are sandboxes. Of course you'll have more gametime with them. The "story" is the least important part of those games, and I wouldn't be shocked if eventually there's no story to speak of in future iterations of Bethesda games.

The Witcher games are about story first and foremost. Of course you're not going to get tons of replay out of them.

Trying to compare two totally different types of genres is absolutely silly.

Well, I assure you, a console version of Oblivion was not looking as good nor running as well as Oblivion did on my gaming pC when it came out, even before modding. After the efforts of the PC modding community, it looked gorgeous, and ran even better after optimization mods and tweaks.

I'm still confused why you think Skyrim wont be impressive graphically though, unless this is your console bias saying that because it's being targeted at consoles, it will look ugly on PCs. I think you can reasonably expect larger textures and a greater variety of scalable options on the PC version.

Frankly, Im not really sure what Skyrim has going for it, if it *doesnt* have a visually stunning sandbox world. That has now become the Elder Scrolls' *thing*...at the expense of other things.

Yeah you say it better than I did. This is the reason I look forward to Skyrim a lot hopefully it's half decent and the game should have massive lasting appeal.

thanks for the reply.

well I base on my personal experience and the discussion on Bioware forum, for example, regarding DA2 with Ander's act.

I dont think for the sake of doing business, any game makers will put an ethics/politics lesson on gamers' mouths. But making a story "THOUGHT PROVOKING" is definitely A GOOD MOVE.

I wonder if there are anyone here share the shame thought with me. I mean how many times, you walk out a cinema and whisper "stupid movie, senseless". I don't watch "Piranha 3-D", but I do watch "the others", "sign", "the sisters".

btw, I am reading the adventures of Tintin rite now. A comic book written a century ago. Is it hillarious, YES! is it political, YES!

Oh I agree thought provoking is fine.

But honestly I feel Bioware games have actually stepped over the limit and have entered the preaching/ pushing a agenda recently!

I refuse to pay more then $10.00 for DA2 (nothing to do with politics and everything to do with how its designed), so I havent played that but take DA:O for example!

The assassin (forget name now). Personally I thought he was a very entertaining character UNTIL he started to hit on me non stop when I simply tried to speak to him as a person.

I have freinds who outright killed him in follow up replays upon meeting him because Bioware pushed the gay agenda on him so much, when there was no need what so ever for it!

If this was 10 years ago, that character doesnt even mention being gay, much less actively pursue you against your will.

Thats a clear example of Bioware pushing their real world political agenda on the playerbase, and its not needed.

Last I looked, Dragon Age was about Wardens and political intrige and regional warfare against the blight!

As for movies, I guess its type of movie your speaking of.

For example, Game of Thrones on HBO.
ADULT POLITICAL CHARACTER DRIVEN DRAMA
It has incest, adultry, homosexuality, murder, rape, love, betrayal, honor and dishonor, everything
Yet it doesnt preach or push a agenda of any type.
Thus far it presents the different characters with in the confines of the setting and lets you come to your own conclussion.
It certainly doesnt push 2011 political agendas on the story.

In one scene Littlefinger brags that whores are a better investment then ships as whores dont sink!

Is that flattering to women? Of course not
But it fits the enviroment and atmosphere where its said so he doesnt then get a 3 hour long lecture on treating woment better and equality and blah blah blah.

thats the point im trying to make.
Thought Provoking is fine
Agenda driven is not
And modern day politics is driven mostly by agendas rather then thought.

The political climate of USA 2011 is not the political climate of Earth 2011 first off and certainly not the political climate of "In the Year of the dragon 1256"

Many of the issues and topics faced today in modern politics are not subjects or issues when The Witcher 2 is set or any fantasy that I can think of.

If someone came out with a Political intrige game based in say San Fran 2011, Id expect all the political issues and agendas of today to be front and present!

Make beleive world based in the 12 century, not so much :)

The thing with fantasy, though, is that while it takes place in a superficially medieval setting (though as pointed out it is NOT our world, and by all indications the humans who arrived in the world of The Witcher during the Conjuncion of Spheres did, infact, come from a much more advanced society than medieval, they just regressed with no modern infrastructure/factories etc in place, but certain modern ideas persisted. and in any case, Europe is not indicative of all cultures of that technological level. While it clearly went for a European look, there's no reason it couldn't take other ideas from ancient Greece, Japan, and so on.) Authors use that setting to address modern issues. they may disguise racism of our own world as elves vs. dwarves, but they are attempting to address modern topics all the same. Being too ham-fisted is indicadive of poor storytelling skills, but modern issues are by no means off-limit to fantasy fiction. And the Witcher novels are prety blatant about trying to address modern issues with the fantasy setting, so I don't see how it would be in any way out of place in the game. and since you brought it up, in medieval Europe, yes, homosexuality was a crime. That doesn't mean homosexuals didn't exist, though.

HUH, thats becaus it came out in 2006 and the consoles were close to PC's then, not the case now by a mile. Apples and oranges.

Slightly OFFT:

Why can't I convince myself to play Dragon Age past the 10 minute mark after prologue? Is it just me or the game is really THAT bland?!

It's really that bland. Dragon Age:Origins wasn't good. It just happened that it was the only decent fantasy game with some RPG elements since Oblivion. So it was about 3 years in between.

DA:O and ME1 are probably the two most overrated games of all time.

The great voice acting and some memorable cut scenes is what caught people by surprise. But if you are like me, then you soon discover you are playing an interactive movie rather than a game and realize DA:O and ME1 are overrated and not that interesting. If you really want to play these games I say save your time and watch Lord of the Rings and for space watch Serenity the Movie and you'd have done the same as playing DA:O and ME1.