InEffect: DC Sorc for Landsey

Race: Human
Alignment: Any evil(LE is nice for kingdom management)

Stats:
Str: 7
Dex: 16
Con: 14
Int: 19
Wis: 7
Cha: 14

Final Build: Sorcerer(Sage) 18/Alchemist(Vivisectionist) 2

Main skills: Persuasion (Max), Perception (Max), Trickery(Max)
Suggested secondary skills: Knowledge skills, UMD

Lvl 1: Sorcerer - Point-Blank Shot // Precise Shot // Spell Focus: Evocation
Lvl 2: Sorcerer
Lvl 3: Sorcerer - Spell Specialization
Lvl 4: Sorcerer
Lvl 5: Sorcerer - Spell Focus: Conjuration
Lvl 6: Sorcerer
Lvl 7: Sorcerer - Weapon Focus: Ray // Greater Spell Focus: Conjuration
Lvl 8: Sorcerer
Lvl 9: Sorcerer - Dazzling Display
Lvl 10: Sorcerer
Lvl 11: Sorcerer - Heightened Spell
Lvl 12: Sorcerer
Lvl 13: Sorcerer - Deceitful // Greater Spell Focus: Evocation
Lvl 14: Sorcerer
Lvl 15: Sorcerer - Shatter Defenses // Conjuration
Lvl 16: Sorcerer
Lvl 17: Sorcerer - Elemental Focus: Electricity
Lvl 18: Sorcerer
Lvl 19: Alchemist - Greater Elemental Focus: Electricity
Lvl 20: Alchemist - Cognatogen

Spells by level in order of importance:
Lvl1: Grease, True Strike, Mage Armor, Enlarge Person, Reduce Person, Magic Missile*
Lvl2: Glitterdust, Mirror Image, Scorching Ray, Sense Vitals, Burning Arc, Invisibility*
Lvl3: Stinking Cloud, Haste, Displacement, Resist energy(Communal), Heroism**, Dispel Magic*
Lvl4: Animate Dead, Greater Invisibility, Acid Pit, Protection from Energy(Communal), Enervation**, Dimension Door*
Lvl5: Cloudkill, Angelic Aspect, Acidic Spray, Echolocation, Break Enchantment*
Lvl6: Chain Lightning, Heroism(Greater), Chains of Light
Lvl7: Legendary Proportions, Waves of Exhaustion, Firebrand
Lvl8: Stormbolts, Seamantle**, Frightful Aspect
Lvl9: Foresight
*free spells from bloodline
**new arcana spells

Alchemist Spells: True Strike, Shield

Spell Specialization: lvl3-8 Magic Missile, 9-10 Scorching Ray, 11 Acid Pit, 12-15 Chain Lightning, 16+ Stormbolts.

Spells to be heightened(all levels): Stinking Cloud, Grease, Chain lighting(to 7). Scorching Ray(to 3), Chains of Light, Stormbolts.

Gear: Air Robes(or +2 RTA robes or Censor’s robes), Ring of circumstances, Profane staff from varnhold, +Stat Gear, Castigator Cloak, +AC gear, Loads of rods, including masterpiece one. Bokken masterpiece.

Good enough arsenal with different elements and good DC’s across the board. Loads of control spells. Summoning we don’t really need: Animate Dead is as awesome as it gets anyways.

Has Dazzling so he has something to do when so spells are used. Always nice to keep your caster occupied and it sure beats poking things with cantrips. Sense vitals don’t last forever and in a grand scheme of things are meaningless for you, unless you decide to unload your scorching rays,

Has a decent plan to survive late-game as his buffed AC is pretty respectable, It’s a bit of excessive safety, but it’s better to have them than not. Generally, improved invis and mirror images should be enough.

Stinking Clouds and Animate Dead are the name of a game. Everything else is just there for conviniency. Acid pits to well against undead, Stormolts delete ghosts nicely, especially with masterpiece rod. Enervation is cool if you want to drain something to death that is unkillable otherwise. Or greatly ease up a process of doing so.

Needs someone to cast delay poison on party so they could derp around in Stinking Cloud and Cloudkill.

Conjuration DC is 41 with all things combined. Stormbolts DC should be 40/41.

Lentie: 1. You not using spell penetration feats, is this less important?
2. Is Dazzling Display used in order to lower saves of the enemies for next DC spell?
3. Is Shatter Defenses used for lower AC for next touch attack with spells?
4. Is meta-magic feats like empower and maximized less important in pathfinder?
5. You advised max trickery, can it be delegated to companions or this is important on MC?
6. How viable is elf as race for this build? And what feat should be removed from the build?
As humans have extra feat.

Thanks in advance,
Lentie.

buleminkrali: wanted to ask you at this post istead of your build sharing one, why do you always suggest pursuasion at companion builds?

do they use it at all? isnt only MC the one at important dialog options ?

Lentie: 1. You not using spell penetration feats, is this less important?
2. Is Dazzling Display used in order to lower saves of the enemies for next DC spell?
3. Is Shatter Defenses used for lower AC for next touch attack with spells?
4. Is meta-magic feats like empower and maximized less important in pathfinder?
5. You advised max trickery, can it be delegated to companions or this is important on MC?
6. How viable is elf as race for this build? And what feat should be removed from the build?
As humans have extra feat.

Thanks in advance,
Lentie.

CaiGrey: Hey InEffect, thanks for the builds and your insight. I want to play around with an Elven Curved sword so i have a couple of questions.
I tested your Elven warrior build, but it didn't bring what i want to achieve here, since felt quite a bit weaker than my dex saint build(falcata) and i don't want to play a weaker version just because its an elf with a gimmicky weapon choice.
Then i tried to make a vivi and what i come up with is dex scaled1/thug3/vivi16. I already tested him and he felt great, but i want your opinion on following:
1) Should i go vivi14/pala2 for saves?
2) If not, should i change scaled to trad monk for +5 will saves, since im not really comfy with measly 11 will?
3) I have too many feats i know what to do with, since thug gives me weapon finesse and finesse training for free. I invested into crane chain of feats, shatter defenses, outflank, blind fight, imp. crit, weapon focus, persuasive, deceitful, combat reflexes and expertise. I feel i don't need half of them, especially expertise. So what should i cut and most importantly what should i add instead. So far i only came up with Dreadful Carnage but i don't know if i really need it too. What feats would you take?
4) Are any vivisectionist feats aside from crippling strike/G mutagen, like mummification or preserve organs worth it? Paralysis immunity seems strong, since that's one of the few things that can kill you in this build.
5) Your general thoughts on this build in compassing to strongest saint, scion and vivi.

InEffect: Only problem is no mirror image and that kinda makes the whole thing a lot weaker for unfair

InEffect: >There is also a problem that dex builds have no way of stacking stats like STR does

CaiGrey: I was planning to just buy scrolls of mirror images and im sure i've found at least one wand somewhere. Trip vivi gets them late so you can just pump that UMD instead. Im playing on hard, full party, no mercs.
I tried trip vivi build and while its fun, it takes time to get it rolling as you said. At higher difficulties trip is unreliable until you stack some CMB and the hardest part is the beginning.

CaiGrey: Well in testing i figured at least 44 dex without buffs, just ring, belt, mutagen and +2 bokken. 46 with reduce person. So yeah, its a bit lower than fully buffed trip build, but you aren't required to go nova for it and your mutagen can last multiple maps if they're close together.
If i go with 4 rogue for uncanny and opportunist, what should i take to fill other 3 levels with?
Two-handed fighter for overhand chop or maybe Paladin2/ranger1 for favored enemy fey?

corvus88: Just picked up Kingmaker and first off big thanks, the info provided has been a big help.

If I want to make a min max fighter/mage gish type, am I best off going straight magus? Is STR or Dex a better route?