That was funny. I somehow knew this thread is going to turn into you-bashing, I think that's proof enough. I mean, I hold quite a few unpopular opinions, yet people don't call me troll... Well, except for the cases where I actually am trolling.

You're not very bright, are you? There's no point in arguing with you if you don't even understand the definition of terms like "scientific theory." Please educate yourself, you are looking very foolish right now.

FYI, quantum mechanics has all of these properties. You seem completely unwilling to even look at the facts though, since they don't fit in with your preconceived notions.

Having a theory and saying "Hey, what we observe fits into it" is not proof. It's merely an indication that you may or may not be on the right track.

Insulting someone because you don't agree with what they're saying is really cheap, and in my opinion (to bring this back to the original point of the topic) is in itself a form of trolling.

going under a bridge and sticking finger up peoples ass makes a troll

I'm a martyr, the one you love to hate.

Regarding quantum mechanics, show proof of a particle existing in multiple locations. Show proof of sub proton/electron particles.

It's all so arrogant and hopeful. I bet if you had to bet your life on your convictions, people would apply the term "theory" properly for a change.

Strictly speaking, quantum mechanics doesn't say that particles exist in multiple locations simultaneously. It states that the position of a particle is a fundamentally probabilistic observable. The momentum and location of a particle cannot both be known with arbitrary accuracy (not even in principle, with a lower bound given by the so-called uncertainty relation). Admittedly, this does sound strange and unfamiliar, but it can be directly observed in experiments. In the famous double-slit experiment, particles like photons or electrons can produce interference patterns which demonstrate the probabilistic nature of the particles' wavefunctions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave-particle_duality
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment

There are no "sub-electron particles" as far as we know. Electrons appear to be fundamental. Protons and neutrons, on the other hand, are extended structures composed of quarks and gluons. The first experimental evidence for the existence of these subatomic particles came from deep inelastic scattering, which is the scattering of high-energy electrons (or muons, neutrinos) with protons and neutrons. If the electrons have sufficiently high energy, their wavelength is short enough for them to penetrate inside the proton/neutron, allowing us to probe the internal structure of the nucleons. By measuring structure functions in deep inelastic scattering we determine that electons scatter off of charged pointlike particles with spin-1/2 inside the nucleon (we call these "quarks").

Here's a nice introduction to deep inelastic scattering with some experimental plots:
http://www.science20.com/quantum_diaries_survivor/electron_scattering_and_proton_structure

In any case, quantum mechanics is not just some weird theory about delocalized particles and such. It has some very concrete real-world applications that you seem to be completely unaware of. The computer you are using would not exist without it. The invention of the transistor (and the entire field of semiconductor electronics) is due to quantum mechanics. The same is true for the laser. All of the chemical properties of atoms and molecules are due to quantum mechanics. I could go on, but I fear that I'm wasting my breath.

You know what's really arrogant? Casually dismissing a body of knowledge that has been studied and tested by millions of people for nearly a hundred years without even making the slightest effort to understand it.

I think it's only fitting to say here: Don't feed the troll. Hey, maybe anjohl believes what he's saying. Maybe something actually leads him towards the delusion that he's always right and everyone else is always wrong. That doesn't change the fact that he's unable to understand even simplest principles of subjectivity, so explaining quantum mechanics to him seems fairly pointless.

I agree with you that the discussion itself is kind of pointless, but since the original topic of the thread is the philosophy of trolling, it's interesting to see a live demonstration of anjohl's tendency to voice very strong and provocative opinions on topics that he doesn't understand. I think we've taken this far enough though, so I will stop now.

As spindown already said, there is no such thing mentioned in Quantum Theory. While we may not be able to single out the position a particle may be at, but only the possibility of a particle being at that position, once we do the measurement, the possibility of the particle being in that place is (almost) 100%. Same thing as if I say "I'll be either at the pub or at work", until you call me, you cannot know where I am, once you do call, you learn my position.


Assuming you mean sub proton particles, search for Quark Gluon Plasma, and read a bit before you claim "Hah, just a theory". So far we believe that electrons are fundamental particles, but that may change later on.

Also, try to find (and read) QED by Richard Feynman, it is a pretty good book for people who want to understand what Quantum ElectroDynamics is, and what obstacles we encounter using it, and why it does hold up to all scrutiny so far.

Causality is a lie. The universe is the biggest troll ever.

Not only does God play dice, he cheats.

The average troll stands nine feet high and weighs roughly 500 pounds, though females tend to be a bit larger than males. The hide of trolls is rubbery, and usually either moss green, putrid grey, or mottled gray and green. Their coarse hair is typically iron grey, or greenish-black.

-- That's about it

I just love the seemless transition from discussing trolling to metaphysics xD...

http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2002-06-23/

Welcome to Earth, everyone comes into it expecting to experience deep love, sex and romance and instead leave it having learned a bunch of fucked up sciences.