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Posted October 21, 2013
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Petrell: Funny thing is that he seems supportive of Steam's model, a model that ultimately leads to same situation that game industry had when brick&mortar stores were the main distributor of games. You could already argue that we already are or are at least close to same point as getting into steam seem to be matter of life and death for devs.
Huh? His argument from B&M stores usually revolves around them pushing second hand sales on people? Steam doesn't have that at all.

I personally couldn't care less for that particular 'consumer right' of resale for PC games. At the very least it would have to come with restrictions (and thus DRM, something the courts talking about digital resale were sure to mention right off the bat). Worldwide digital resale is an entirely different beast from physical resale, it should be treated as such.

Mainly I'm of the opinion that if someone plays a game, the developer of that game should be rewarded for that person playing it. That's hardly unfair thinking.
Post edited October 21, 2013 by Pheace
Posted October 21, 2013
I will never understand why TB is overhyped by youtubers of Steam . Can't stand the guy .
Post edited October 21, 2013 by ne_zavarj
Posted October 21, 2013
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I can't understand why some people are trying to turn this into a discussion about TotalBiscuit.

What we have here, is a developer who abused youtube's questionable content protection system to shoot down a critical review (that he agreed to beforehand), for alleged copyright violation. That's the problem.

Whether TotalBiscuit is brilliant, or crappy, or overhyped, or pro-DRM or anti-DRM, is completely irrelevant for the very real problem that he pointed out.
Posted October 21, 2013
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Psyringe: Whether TotalBiscuit is brilliant, or crappy, or overhyped, or pro-DRM or anti-DRM, is completely irrelevant for the very real problem that he pointed out.
You can't have a discussion on GOG without turning it into Steam haterts-fuck-a-thon.
Posted October 21, 2013
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Psyringe: Whether TotalBiscuit is brilliant, or crappy, or overhyped, or pro-DRM or anti-DRM, is completely irrelevant for the very real problem that he pointed out.
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keeveek: You can't have a discussion on GOG without turning it into Steam haterts-fuck-a-thon.
True. I called it GOGWin's law
Posted October 21, 2013
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cw8: I watch most of his WTF videos but it seems like he's a totally different person when it comes to Twitter and social media.
I don't follow him socially, but he sometimes mentions in his videos how difficult it is to resist responding to certain comments. He wishes he could just walk away, but he takes the bait all too often. He is his own worst enemy in this regard!
Posted October 21, 2013
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Crosmando: Lol

But I'm afraid nothing in the whole internet beats this thread:
http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/why-did-sir-tech-go-bankrupt-ebay-auction.53695/

Read every page and see if you retain your sanity
I don't post in Codex, I lurk, but Infinitron asked if you posted in Codex lol

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Petrell: Funny thing is that he seems supportive of Steam's model, a model that ultimately leads to same situation that game industry had when brick&mortar stores were the main distributor of games. You could already argue that we already are or are at least close to same point as getting into steam seem to be matter of life and death for devs.
Except he doesn't, he made this video awhile back ranting about Steam:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW5tn7NoRqo&feature=g-u-u

He ranted about Steam again in his WTF is War-Z.
Post edited October 21, 2013 by cw8
Posted October 21, 2013
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ne_zavarj: I will never understand why TB is overhyped by youtubers of Steam . Can't stand the guy .
TotalBiscuit is only regular UT reviewer I check out once in a while. He tends to derail to whining at times and I don't agree with him all the time but I always know what I can expect from the game he reviews and know its strongest and weakest points (from TB's point of view).

As for the video, I started being asleep around the middle because he took so much time to explain how hurt he is instead of focusing on the point. Yes, the developer is a douche and it's unpleasant. TB barks the wrong tree, though. The problematic is DMCA here not Google who doesn't want to attend failed lawsuits.
Post edited October 21, 2013 by Mivas
Posted October 21, 2013
I knew the game was retarded before TB ever said a word about it . Move along, nothing to see here...
Posted October 21, 2013
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Psyringe: I can't understand why some people are trying to turn this into a discussion about TotalBiscuit.
Because there really isn't anything else to discuss here. I mean, who would argue against all his evidence? Who would argue against freedom for critique in general? The topic is so plain black and white, tehre just isn't anything to say. The only thing left for us is just schadenfreude to see TB screwed by the same corrupt amoral industry he played the devil's advocate for before.
Posted October 21, 2013
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HiPhish: Because there really isn't anything else to discuss here.
We could discuss that thread Crosmando linked. Compared to that this biscuit guy and his problems are just white noise (clarification: very boring white noise). I mean apparently the guy who played "Toadie" in Mad Max 2 (guy who got his fingers cut off by a boomerang) was hired by Sir Tech to make the first Version of Wizardry 8 several years before the one that is here on gog!

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keeveek: You can't have a discussion on GOG without turning it into Steam haterts-fuck-a-thon.
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JMich: True. I called it GOGWin's law
False. Just the usual pro steamers who perceive every mention of it here as "hate",then promptly start mocking and preaching about why that is SO WRONG.
Posted October 21, 2013
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Psyringe: I can't understand why some people are trying to turn this into a discussion about TotalBiscuit.
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HiPhish: Because there really isn't anything else to discuss here. I mean, who would argue against all his evidence? Who would argue against freedom for critique in general? The topic is so plain black and white, tehre just isn't anything to say. The only thing left for us is just schadenfreude to see TB screwed by the same corrupt amoral industry he played the devil's advocate for before.
There's a hole in that argumentation though. It may become more evident when you look at this (hypothetical) conversation between people in the Youtube management:

A: "There's a popular youtube game reviewer complaining about our copyright protection system."
B: "Again? What's the situation, does he have a point?"
A: "Well, we shut down his review after the developer filed a complaint, and the reviewer got one of the three strikes. As usual, we made no effort to check the validity of the claim, and the reviewer can show conclusively that the review was done with the developer's permission."
B: "Ah, crap. What's the magnitude of the issue?"
A: "Well, the guy has more than a million subscribers, and discussion is quickly spreading to other platforms."
B: "Damn. And I suppose the majority of people are heavily criticizing us?"
A: "Not really. Currently they seem more concerned discussing whether or not the reviewer is a dick, based on past things that he may or may not have done."
B: "Phew! You really had me thinking we'd have to, you know, _do_ something there."
Post edited October 21, 2013 by Psyringe
Posted October 21, 2013
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Petrell: Huh? His argument from B&M stores usually revolves around them pushing second hand sales on people? Steam doesn't have that at all.
No, I ment the problem with the market dominance of few B&M store chain allowing them to do and demand what ever they wanted and devs/publishers just having to cave in to their demands or not sell their games at all. We are in or near the same situation with steam as most games can't make it if they're not on steam.
Posted October 21, 2013
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Dzsono: I didn't know that so many people actively dislike TB. After reading through hundreds of comments on many forums, "TB is a douche/annoying, but that's a scummy thing the developer did" seemed to crop up again and again. I almost feel like an outcast because I think he's pretty good!
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cw8: I watch most of his WTF videos but it seems like he's a totally different person when it comes to Twitter and social media.
I agree. He's kind of a dick on Twitter :P.
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HiPhish: Oh no, game companies using dirty legal tricks to censor and silence neagative criticism in order to boost sales of their own mediocre to bad titles, while at the same time ruining the livelihood of large companies like Polaris (TB's network) and other small companies. What disgusting monsters, let us hang them publicly!

Now on the other hand, game companies using dirty legal tricks to sabotage and stop used game trading in order to boost sales of their own mediocre to bad titles while at the same time ruining the livelihood of large companies like gameStop and other small companies, that's just fine. All hail to the death of retail and consumer rights. power to the corporations (as long as they don't use their power in any way that affects me)!

I love watching TB's WTF is... ? videos, but man, this gy can be so full of shit sometimes. He will rally on and on about how he is pro consumer rights, but only as long as he is affected by the decision. He only plays PC games on Steam (which he gets free review codes for), therefore used games markets and retail are a thing of the past and must be purged from the face of the earth. What about all those pervsive season passes and DLCs everywhere? he doesn't buy them, so he doesn't care. The only time he threw a fit was when Mass Effect 3 cut out a part of the story as Day-1 DLC. Then there was his recent "what's in a game" video where he slammed Dear Esther and at the same time praise David Cage's abominations. I mean, come on, they do the same thing, either go all-out hipster and praise them all or stay true and call them both out for their BS, but you can't just pick one of them. Oh well, at least he's against always-online DRM in any shape of form.

Really, I just watch this guy's WTF is... videos, even if his commentary was total waste (which it most of the time is not) i at least get to see the game dircetly in action instead of a carfully edited review that only cherry-picks points.
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htown1980: wow. I guy who makes a living "reviewing" pc games uses steam. I am shocked!!!!! :)

I listen to quite a few of his videos, listen to bits of the polaris podcasts (often when I am doing the dishes) and he does criticise steam a lot. Just today I was listening to a podcast in which he expressed concern about how potentially uncompetitive the pc games market is when all devs basically have to get on steam to be successful and how that concerned him.

He picks and chooses what he is happy with or can live with and what he is against. That's what everyone does. The line has to be drawn somewhere and different people draw the line in different places. Personally I think steam is the devil (as is eating meat), but I don't have a problem with people who disagree with me and use steam and eat poor little baby animals :).

Some people like Dear Esther, some people don't, either way, Dear Esther isn't a game. I didn't agree with everything TB said in his what is a game video but at least he got that right.
You know that's an entirely subjective statement, right? Until most everyone agrees with his "games need to have challenge" definition, it's just one of several possible definitions. Videogames are a culturally-defined thing. They are what we agree they are.

Personally I'd limit the definition of a videogame to "interactive media," rather than "interactive media with goals, challenges, and fail states." TB's definition is far too narrow for my tastes. By my definition, Dear Ester is a videogame. And both definitions are equally valid.
Post edited October 21, 2013 by jefequeso
Posted October 21, 2013
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Psyringe: A: "Well, the guy has more than a million subscribers,
Wow, I didn't know there were that many people suffering from insomnia. =P
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