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dirtyharry50: You are not breaking anything to me that I don't already know. I think you misunderstood my post. I've been meaning to post this view for a while actually. With the recent event that somewhat validates my view in my opinion, this seemed like good timing for it. One core value just got tossed. But this post is about a different one.

My view about this place overall is actually similar to yours except that it is further limited to just classic games and preferably for Mac.

The fact that this website exists doesn't bother me at all and I am well aware of my obvious options.
Fair enough. I apologize for the hostile way that I approached your post. However, I am inclined to believe that GOG.com will do whatever it needs to survive as a business and if that includes bringing companies on-board that set their own pricing, then so be it.

It is unfortunate that it can't just be good *old* games but if their ability to acquire licenses for a niche pool of titles dried up (for whatever reason) and the business went stagnant, then you would still be upset.
Two words for OP: The Witcher.
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Dralel: Two words for OP: The Witcher.
Well that's only because CDP, and it sold tons better on Steam with DRM so I think you're helping the OP's point. :P
Mind you, revolution is not always a positive thing. Ask him: Hi there!
DRM-free movement sounds much better. And that's exactly what GOG is doing.
So adapt or die?

What's one of the things that makes piracy so seducing and straightforward? Yes, you got it - the drm free thing (well and the free thing in general but that's not to point i try to make here...) You get the thing, you strip it naked and you start plowing it the moment you download it. It's the freedom to consume the product that shines here. Where as with all the up to 3 tier? drm bullshit you got nowadays you may not even start your bloody game, let alone play it... that's unneeded.

GoG knows that, you can call it the closest you can get to "legal piracy", at least in my mind - meaning people like the way they consume the product and they can support that - straightforward and to the point, no third-party bs client for this and another one for that, etc, etc...

If this mentality dies, then respect for humanity is lost forever... we might all as well return to kindergarten and wait till uncle steam decides to let us play our game... and we get sick (no internet?) we might as well forget about it all together...

PLOW DRM, PLOW IT ALL!

been playing witcher 2 (drm-free; gog courtesy, ty gog :P)
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jamyskis: I don't really blame publishers, any more than I would blame a screaming, petulant child who has been poorly raised by its parents. I blame gamers for being such spineless, unprincipled, addicted morons who throw spasms whenever they don't get their quick fix.
+1 and I'd post that Orson Welles applause gif, if I could.
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jamyskis: So as for any DRM-free revolution, no, I don't think it's coming either. I don't really blame publishers, any more than I would blame a screaming, petulant child who has been poorly raised by its parents. I blame gamers for being such spineless, unprincipled, addicted morons who throw spasms whenever they don't get their quick fix. Not that I really care much any more. My PC gaming is pretty much limited to indie bundles and the occasional GOG title nowadays, with most of my serious gaming now being on PS3 and Wii U. I had hoped that PC gaming would recover, but such hopes have proven to be fruitless.
Amen to that.
Post edited February 23, 2014 by rampancy
I just realized that you are totally right.

I just looked it up. It turns out that all revolutions, throughout all of history, had DRM...

Pretty sure secuROM was at the Boston tea party... like 80%...
Bump, this deserved more attention.
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sheepdragon: Dotemu is also completely DRM free, but they've had regional pricing for a while. So, GOG is no longer unique in their business model, but so far they have a greater library of games than Dotemu.
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jamyskis: Yes, about Dotemu: Dotemu is a shining example of how the introduction of regional pricing completely fails to make a difference. Despite caving in to regional pricing demands years ago, they haven't managed to get any top-tier titles on board (hell, they can't even get their own Final Fantasy 7 release out).

And yes, there is a reason why Dotemu has become even more obscure than the already-obscure Desura - GOG offers almost exactly the same games at a lower price. Why is that? Why, through lack of price regionalisation.

So at this point I'm going to call bullshit on GOG's claims that bringing games on-board was dependent on introducing regional pricing.

We all know that the problem lies in DRM.
Still cant understand how DotEmu managed to get that sega bundle onboard...
I cant remember but i used to think there was always a slightly higher price as trade off for drm free. Not sure where i got that impression from though.....Yeah but there is no way to tell whether they are telling truth (or not) and no way to unless u had access to GOG and whichever publishers they have deals with... people have already theorised how it is very very possible it may actually be the case and why
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dirtyharry50: snip
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P1na: it could certainly happen. GOG seems set on becoming one of the big boys, and at one point they'll have to choose between that and their reputation. I'd like to think they'll choose their reputation, but I won't bet on it.

This reminds me what we see on games: they want a wider audience, so they compromise the mechanics of their games to be more generic and copy the popular games so everybody can play it. Result typically being the audience that was into the other games, surprisingly keeps playing the games they liked instead of the games like the games they like; while the old fans get disappointed and leave. The course GOG has taken has a striking resemblance to that scenario.
GOG is second behind Steam. Or so its claimed. So.... if they arent one of the big boys...when ? ;)
Post edited February 24, 2014 by Niggles
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Niggles: GOG is second behind Steam. Or so its claimed. So.... if they arent one of the big boys...when ? ;)
My question exactly. But it's clear GOG isn't satisfied with what they have, and want more. You can see that on TET's posts.
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Niggles: Still cant understand how DotEmu managed to get that sega bundle onboard...
The Sega bundle was probably the exception - Sega is certainly a bit of a stickler for regional pricing, and there was obviously little reason for them to release old Mega Drive games with DRM.
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jamyskis: So as for any DRM-free revolution, no, I don't think it's coming either. I don't really blame publishers, any more than I would blame a screaming, petulant child who has been poorly raised by its parents. I blame gamers for being such spineless, unprincipled, addicted morons who throw spasms whenever they don't get their quick fix. Not that I really care much any more. My PC gaming is pretty much limited to indie bundles and the occasional GOG title nowadays, with most of my serious gaming now being on PS3 and Wii U. I had hoped that PC gaming would recover, but such hopes have proven to be fruitless.
Hah hah, indeed. As long as the majority of customers keep buying without a complaint -- or worse yet, complain about it, but then buy anyway -- companies/publishers will just keep doing what they do.

I've actually been playing primarily PC games, though, ever since I joined GOG. And so far I'm still very happy with this place and the service it provides, and hope it's going to stay that way for some time, unless they make drastic changes to their modus operandi.

But I still got my PS3, too, and plan to get a Wii U sometime soon. Mostly for Windwaker HD, but there's a few other titles I'm interested in. Any games you'd recommend? So far the selection still seems limited.
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CharlesGrey: But I still got my PS3, too, and plan to get a Wii U sometime soon. Mostly for Windwaker HD, but there's a few other titles I'm interested in. Any games you'd recommend? So far the selection still seems limited.
Aside from Wind Waker HD, there's Zombi U, Super Mario Bros U, Pikmin 3 and Super Mario 3D World. Rayman Legends as well, despite it being available for PC - the Wii U version is by far the best one due to its use of the touchscreen for the Murfy levels.

I have Wonderful 101 sitting here but I'm yet to play it, and I hear Lego City Undercover is a brilliant game as well.
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jamyskis: Aside from Wind Waker HD, there's Zombi U, Super Mario Bros U, Pikmin 3 and Super Mario 3D World. Rayman Legends as well, despite it being available for PC - the Wii U version is by far the best one due to its use of the touchscreen for the Murfy levels.

I have Wonderful 101 sitting here but I'm yet to play it, and I hear Lego City Undercover is a brilliant game as well.
Yes, I'm considering some of those. I already have the collector's version of Windwaker, since I wanted to make sure to get my hands on a copy before it's sold out or only available at ridiculous prices. :P

When I get my console I'll probably get Zombi U and then later Mario 3D World, Watchdogs and maybe Pikmin, too. And maybe Deus Ex HR, since I haven't played it before, and supposedly the Wii U version is the best. ( At least among consoles. ) Oh right, and then there's Bayonetta 2. Not really into the twitchy-finger button-mashing type of gameplay any more, but I might give that one a try. I hope they'll release some more good exclusive titles, sooner or later. A new Metroid, perhaps. Or heck, F-Zero, Pilot Wings... ? Nintendo has so many good franchises they could do something with.